dougthonus
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Please, no swearing (see rules), and let's not turn this into a personal flame war, we're not the 12 year olds on the ESPN forum here.
Great post mlewinth. You are spot on in regards to Gordon being a great missing piece, 3rd or 4th option player. That is what he is. Extremely valuable. But you can't win if he is your #2. It just can't and won't happen. A Rose,Bosh,Gordon trio with Deng or Salmons, Noah,Hinrich trio absolutely can win. I would not pay him $80 million to keep him. I would pay him 6 years $54 million. It is a great deal and a great offer. Pay him that and figure out how to clear cap space to do it. I wish we could go to war next season with this:
Rose,Hinrich
Gordon
Deng,Salmons
Bosh(or Amare)
Noah,Miller
If you can get that lineup next season even if it means paying luxury tax for one year I think you have to do it. That team can compete with Cleveland to come out of the East. I firmly believe that.
shortlunatic wrote:Gordon is a shooter, an excellent shooter at that. But he doesnt do much more. I would love to see him drive more, make himslef a little less unpredictable
Gordon is a great scorer, and I very much hope we keep him, but I don't know how you can say he's a #1 guy (on a winning team, that is), as when he was the Bulls top option he was often overwhelmed by doubleteams and traps and less effective than he has been this year, when he's flourished with Rose taking some of the defensive attention away. He's a number 2 who is at his best with a top notch #1 to take pressure off of him. In his case, it should be a #1 willing to pass, like Lebron, Paul, etc.
I think Gordon could be a good #1a or #1b guy with another good scorer, or could be your #1 scorer if you had a good front court option as well. He's not a franchise player though, which is what I believe you're getting at. He's not a #1 like LeBron/Paul/Wade/Kobe etc..
He could be the 2nd best scorer on a championship team IMO though. He probably wouldn't be the 2nd best player, but I think a core of Rose, Gordon, and big man not on the roster could be a championship core if Rose becomes a superstar and the big man is an all star caliber big man.
Anyone else listen to Chicago sports radio today? The amount of hate that Ben gets from this town's media is simply astounding. I was listening to the Afternoon Saloon and of course Ben gets it for his turnover during the 2nd overtime. That was undoubtedly a bad play, but to harp on Ben for it after his incredible game-tying shot is just baffling. They mention Rose's 7 turnovers, and he gets a complete pass saying something along the lines of all great ballhandlers turn the ball over. You know what? All great scorers will occasionally take bad shots. I then switch over to 670 and then it's the same old crap. I think that Matt Abatacola (sp?) actually stated that Ben doesn't help the Bulls win games.
The bias against this guy is just ridiculous.
Anyways, I thought this post would be fit in this thread, cause I could hear Fred screaming in my head as I was listening to this stuff.
I made Sam's Mailbag...third question down...they rewrote it, but at least he included my "Drones" term. 40% against Gordon...that's just unbelievable.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/asksam_090424.html