The Scott Thread

[supraman]

So I think Puckjim asked what Scott brings to the team.



Okay I'll bite. He is an enforcer and can fight pretty decently. He is supposed to keep the other teams in line but Q's wife has his balls in his purse so he never let's the boys answer suspect play. On defense he is utterly worthless, you will hear no argument out of me in that regard. As a 4th liner I really like him, he might be a shitty Dman but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand the defensive aspects of the game so that is a plus on a 4th liner, he has shown growth as a forward since being moved up there, is he a powerhouse? No but hell he might just chip a goal or two in this year (stu would be masturbating feverishly each time). Compare him to Burish, Fraiser, or Eager as 4th liners. Pretty solid defensively and they put in a few pucks themselves and he does it for league min or close to it, so really there is no downside to Scott except as a Dman.



This is not directed at you puckjim but some people just don't get it, you cannot have stars on all 4 lines (well okay we came pretty fucking close to doing that last year but we all know that was a fluke) you need guys that come cheap that will just grind on the other team. They are called energy lines so the other 3 lines can get some energy back but also look at them as lines that zap the energy out of the other teams by grinding on them.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

So I think Puckjim asked what Scott brings to the team.



Okay I'll bite. He is an enforcer and can fight pretty decently. He is supposed to keep the other teams in line but Q's wife has his balls in his purse so he never let's the boys answer suspect play. On defense he is utterly worthless, you will hear no argument out of me in that regard. As a 4th liner I really like him, he might be a shitty Dman but that doesn't mean he doesn't understand the defensive aspects of the game so that is a plus on a 4th liner, he has shown growth as a forward since being moved up there, is he a powerhouse? No but hell he might just chip a goal or two in this year (stu would be masturbating feverishly each time). Compare him to Burish, Fraiser, or Eager as 4th liners. Pretty solid defensively and they put in a few pucks themselves and he does it for league min or close to it, so really there is no downside to Scott except as a Dman.



This is not directed at you puckjim but some people just don't get it, you cannot have stars on all 4 lines (well okay we came pretty fucking close to doing that last year but we all know that was a fluke) you need guys that come cheap that will just grind on the other team. They are called energy lines so the other 3 lines can get some energy back but also look at them as lines that zap the energy out of the other teams by grinding on them.

Anyone who say's he's worthless is an idiot... before he was scratched for 7 games and on Defense he was absolutely atrocious but not since then.



Every single game he has improved and in the San Jose game he was the best forward on the ice and only played 7 minutes.



He was asked what sparked his better offensive play he said when he was moved to forward he would get nervous with the puck on his stick as he self admittingly is not the greatest stick handler this games every seen. He seems like he is feeling comfortable with his role on the 4th now and has worked with the skating coach and Hossa on stickhandling/shooting and now instead of playing hot potato whenever the puck gets near him and making a dumb pass or icing it, he's skating it into the zone and actually taking shots... he even did a spinorama a couple weeks ago.



Like RK has said he should be hitting more and sometimes he does let up a bit but is that because he's known as an enforcer and they might call penalties or is it because he's so damn tall he doesn't want to get tagged with a "head shot" for just using his shoulder?



He's sure as hell worth more to the team than Cullimore and Boynton.

 

[MassHavoc]

John Scott has had 7 fights.



Oct 22, 2010 2pd 13:41 CHI @ STL Brad Winchester

Nov 07, 2010 2pd 14:50 @ CHI EDM Zack Stortini

Nov 27, 2010 2pd 11:44 CHI @ LOS Kevin Westgarth

Nov 30, 2010 1pd 05:24 @ CHI STL Cam Janssen

Dec 13, 2010 1pd 18:18 CHI @ COL David Koci

Dec 19, 2010 1pd 10:13 @ CHI LOS Kevin Westgarth

Dec 28, 2010 1pd 01:52 CHI @ STL Cam Janssen



Janssen twice

Westgarth twice.



So he's fought 5 people on 4 different teams.



He's here to fight, and basically he's found 4 teams.



St. Louis

LAK

Colorado

Edm.



Edmonton is dead. LA and Colorado and St. Louis are all in the exact same boat as us.

He seems more like he's here to protect us against lower level teams than to win us battles with the upper echelon.

 

[puckjim]

Burish and Eager I believe contributed about 10 goals each.



He might be the best fighter in the league, but since all of his fights are pre-arranged, they add little to the game, other than entertainment. He's NOT an enforcer. There is really no such thing as an enforcer anymore.



Scott can't skate, can't stickhandle, can't score, can't back-check. He really doesn't hit that much, mostly because he's slower than shit through a dead goose. He also may be worried aboot being a marked man by the referees.



He averages aboot five minutes per night because Q doesn't trust him to play more than that.



He hasn't made many mistakes, so from that standpoint he hasn't hurt the team.



How is IS hurting the team is by tying up salary cap space and a roster spot that could be used in other areas. If he wasn't on the team, perhaps Morin would not have had to be sent back and forth to Rockford. He adds nothing to the Hawks



I get why people like him. He's fun. But the Hawks are the reigning SC champs. They don't need a dancing bear to warm up the crowd.

 

[supraman]

John Scott has had 7 fights.



Oct 22, 2010 2pd 13:41 CHI @ STL Brad Winchester

Nov 07, 2010 2pd 14:50 @ CHI EDM Zack Stortini

Nov 27, 2010 2pd 11:44 CHI @ LOS Kevin Westgarth

Nov 30, 2010 1pd 05:24 @ CHI STL Cam Janssen

Dec 13, 2010 1pd 18:18 CHI @ COL David Koci

Dec 19, 2010 1pd 10:13 @ CHI LOS Kevin Westgarth

Dec 28, 2010 1pd 01:52 CHI @ STL Cam Janssen



Janssen twice

Westgarth twice.



So he's fought 5 people on 4 different teams.



He's here to fight, and basically he's found 4 teams.



St. Louis

LAK

Colorado

Edm.



Edmonton is dead. LA and Colorado and St. Louis are all in the exact same boat as us.

He seems more like he's here to protect us against lower level teams than to win us battles with the upper echelon.

Is that his fault or is that Q keeping him and the team on a leash?

 

[MassHavoc]

Is that his fault or is that Q keeping him and the team on a leash?

If he's being kept on a leash, why ice him at all.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Burish and Eager I believe contributed about 10 goals each.



He might be the best fighter in the league, but since all of his fights are pre-arranged, they add little to the game, other than entertainment. He's NOT an enforcer. There is really no such thing as an enforcer anymore.



Scott can't skate, can't stickhandle, can't score, can't back-check. He really doesn't hit that much, mostly because he's slower than shit through a dead goose. He also may be worried aboot being a marked man by the referees.



He averages aboot five minutes per night because Q doesn't trust him to play more than that.



He hasn't made many mistakes, so from that standpoint he hasn't hurt the team.



How is IS hurting the team is by tying up salary cap space and a roster spot that could be used in other areas. If he wasn't on the team, perhaps Morin would not have had to be sent back and forth to Rockford. He adds nothing to the Hawks



I get why people like him. He's fun. But the Hawks are the reigning SC champs. They don't need a dancing bear to warm up the crowd.

Yea... taking up ALL that cap space at the league minimum when Boynton and Cullisuck are worse... yet you seem to always like to single Scott out... did he kick your dog or something?

 

[MassHavoc]

Yea... taking up ALL that cap space at the league minimum when Boynton and Cullisuck are worse... yet you seem to always like to single Scott out... did he kick your dog or something?

Technically, he's not at the league minimum. Cap wise

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Technically, he's not at the league minimum.

SHUT UP ******!!!

 

[Pez68]

The problem I think everyone has with Scott is, when he's in the lineup, we're scratching guys that contribute much, much more to the team... When Scott is dressed, someone is hurt, or we're scratching Skille, Dowell, Johnson, Pisani... I'm sorry, that just makes no sense to me.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

The problem I think everyone has with Scott is, when he's in the lineup, we're scratching guys that contribute much, much more to the team... When Scott is dressed, someone is hurt, or we're scratching Skille, Dowell, Johnson, Pisani... I'm sorry, that just makes no sense to me.

That's a fair point... but RK has said that the stars like him in the line up and maybe it's a chemistry thing. He is not better than any of those 4 players by any stretch of the imagination but if he keeps improving and the stars like him out there it's certainly doing no harm. None of those guys are really going to impact the overall outcome of the game night in and night out.

 

[MassHavoc]

That's a fair point... but RK has said that the stars like him in the line up and maybe it's a chemistry thing. He is not better than any of those 4 players by any stretch of the imagination but if he keeps improving and the stars like him out there it's certainly doing no harm. None of those guys are really going to impact the overall outcome of the game night in and night out.

At the same time, while I believe most of them may like it truly, they also aren't going to say anything bad about another player. No player is going to say that they don't like another player in the lineup.

 

[Pez68]

That's a fair point... but RK has said that the stars like him in the line up and maybe it's a chemistry thing. He is not better than any of those 4 players by any stretch of the imagination but if he keeps improving and the stars like him out there it's certainly doing no harm. None of those guys are really going to impact the overall outcome of the game night in and night out.

So scoring goals, killing penalties, and a strong forecheck don't impact the game night in and night out?

 

[puckjim]

Yea... taking up ALL that cap space at the league minimum when Boynton and Cullisuck are worse... yet you seem to always like to single Scott out... did he kick your dog or something?

Well, if this were the Stalberg thread.....

 

[R K]

Burish and Eager I believe contributed about 10 goals each.

He might be the best fighter in the league, but since all of his fights are pre-arranged, they add little to the game, other than entertainment. He's NOT an enforcer. There is really no such thing as an enforcer anymore.



Scott can't skate, can't stickhandle, can't score, can't back-check. He really doesn't hit that much, mostly because he's slower than shit through a dead goose. He also may be worried aboot being a marked man by the referees.



He averages aboot five minutes per night because Q doesn't trust him to play more than that.



He hasn't made many mistakes, so from that standpoint he hasn't hurt the team.



How is IS hurting the team is by tying up salary cap space and a roster spot that could be used in other areas. If he wasn't on the team, perhaps Morin would not have had to be sent back and forth to Rockford. He adds nothing to the Hawks



I get why people like him. He's fun. But the Hawks are the reigning SC champs. They don't need a dancing bear to warm up the crowd.

Neither detered any cheap shots. Eager refused to fight and burrish sucked at fighting.



Burish had ONE goal in the 13 games he played last year and Eager and 7 goals in the 60 games he played.



The players like scott so you can tell Toews, Kane, Hossa and the rest he's worthless. I'm sure they'll care about your opinion and get right on it. LOL

 

[R K]

So scoring goals, killing penalties, and a strong forecheck don't impact the game night in and night out?

As long as he doesn't hurt the team I don't care where he is. Last night I would have scratched him for Skille. But hey, thats me. I don't see many "fighters" on the Stars. Hacks sure, but Bickell, Brouwer and even Seabrook can atone for them.



Although this team rarely atones for shit. No one went after Dogostini in St. Louis after his cheap shot on the Captain.

 

[puckjim]

The fact that they like him is irrelevant.



He doesn't contribute anything, and this team is not deep enough for a sideshow act like John Scott.

 

[supraman]

Burish and Eager I believe contributed about 10 goals each.



He might be the best fighter in the league, but since all of his fights are pre-arranged, they add little to the game, other than entertainment. He's NOT an enforcer. There is really no such thing as an enforcer anymore.



Scott can't skate, can't stickhandle, can't score, can't back-check. He really doesn't hit that much, mostly because he's slower than shit through a dead goose. He also may be worried aboot being a marked man by the referees.



He averages aboot five minutes per night because Q doesn't trust him to play more than that.



He hasn't made many mistakes, so from that standpoint he hasn't hurt the team.



How is IS hurting the team is by tying up salary cap space and a roster spot that could be used in other areas. If he wasn't on the team, perhaps Morin would not have had to be sent back and forth to Rockford. He adds nothing to the Hawks



I get why people like him. He's fun. But the Hawks are the reigning SC champs. They don't need a dancing bear to warm up the crowd.

You'd rather have Morin seeing limited minutes a game here in Chicago over having him down in Rockford seeing top line minutes and polishing his game.



If anyone on the club needs to ride pine right now it is stalberg, maybe even a stint in Rockford, he's been a fucking ghost. Scott you notice.

 

[supraman]

If he's being kept on a leash, why ice him at all.

Hell I dunno maybe McPimp makes him do it since the fans like the fighters

 

[Pez68]

As long as he doesn't hurt the team I don't care where he is. Last night I would have scratched him for Skille. But hey, thats me. I don't see many "fighters" on the Stars. Hacks sure, but Bickell, Brouwer and even Seabrook can atone for them.



Although this team rarely atones for shit. No one went after Dogostini in St. Louis after his cheap shot on the Captain.

Yeah, but that's the thing. He DOES hurt the team when he plays in place of those guys. Because every one of those guys contributes to the team. By playing more minutes, by killing penalties, by hitting, and by generating offense. Scott does none of that, and when he's dressed, very RARELY does he play more than five minutes. I just don't see the point.