The unhealthy obsession with forcing turnovers to win games

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Your Chicago Bears are 4th in the NFL in turnover differential at a plus 10. This of course is supposed to equate to more wins.
This is primarily why Matt Eberflus was hired was for the Bears to renew their Lovie Smith era ability take the football away, to the detriment of EVERYTHING else.

No pass rush, no pass protection and zero consistency from the offense.

But NFL offenses have adjusted and turnovers across the league are. QBs are protecting the football better than ever.

The impact of turnovers is still there but if you can't force QBs into making mistakes or if you don't have the fucking offense to take advantage of a turnover, there's no value to it. It's like getting an offensive rebound, it looks pretty unless you're missing the second chance basket.

The Bears have failed miserably and the record speaks for itself.

Hopefully they'll avoid the defensive minded head coach who constantly hamstrings his offense with his defensive mentality.
 

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This thread made me finally realize that Eberflus was a bad head coach. I hope the rest of the board also figures this out. Thanks Daniel!
 

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QBs are protecting the football better than ever.

Yeah....like Caleb Williams, who just set a league rookie record for consecutive passes without an interception. Which is the main reason the Bears are doing so well in turnover differential, not so much the mediocre defense.

Thanks for the talk anyhow!
 

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This thread made me finally realize that Eberflus was a bad head coach. I hope the rest of the board also figures this out. Thanks Daniel!
It's not just Eberflus it's been the priority of the organization.
 

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You missed the point. The Bears entire identity for the last 20 years has been that. They've have very little success even when they are among the best at forcing turnovers.

Patrick Mahomes had 14 picks and he has 11 this year. Why aren't the Chiefs among the worst teams in the NFL if they're not among best in turnover differential?
 

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You missed the point. The Bears entire identity for the last 20 years has been that. They've have very little success even when they are among the best at forcing turnovers.

Patrick Mahomes had 14 picks and he has 11 this year. Why aren't the Chiefs among the worst teams in the NFL if they're not among best in turnover differential?
So Patrick Mahomes only had 3 ints before this year? That's crazy!
 

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Your Chicago Bears are 4th in the NFL in turnover differential at a plus 10. This of course is supposed to equate to more wins.
This is primarily why Matt Eberflus was hired was for the Bears to renew their Lovie Smith era ability take the football away, to the detriment of EVERYTHING else.

No pass rush, no pass protection and zero consistency from the offense.

But NFL offenses have adjusted and turnovers across the league are. QBs are protecting the football better than ever.

The impact of turnovers is still there but if you can't force QBs into making mistakes or if you don't have the fucking offense to take advantage of a turnover, there's no value to it. It's like getting an offensive rebound, it looks pretty unless you're missing the second chance basket.

The Bears have failed miserably and the record speaks for itself.

Hopefully they'll avoid the defensive minded head coach who constantly hamstrings his offense with his defensive mentality.
Lovie's good teams could score themselves off of turnovers or set up the offense in scoring position . Along with the special teams also.
 

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You missed the point. The Bears entire identity for the last 20 years has been that. They've have very little success even when they are among the best at forcing turnovers.

Patrick Mahomes had 14 picks and he has 11 this year. Why aren't the Chiefs among the worst teams in the NFL if they're not among best in turnover differential?
who misses the point? other posters here?

or are you just writing another diatribe against the 'media' because you could never get a real job in that industry?
 

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You missed the point. The Bears entire identity for the last 20 years has been that. They've have very little success even when they are among the best at forcing turnovers.

Patrick Mahomes had 14 picks and he has 11 this year. Why aren't the Chiefs among the worst teams in the NFL if they're not among best in turnover differential?
Because there are 3 distinct units on a fooseball team.

The Chiefs are a really well-balanced team with the best player in the league.

The Bears, on the other hand, never consistently had an effective offense. Even though the defense or special teams could gift the offense some absurd field position they always found a way to squander it

Why don’t you know this stuff, I thought you were a sports journalist?
 

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This thread made me finally realize that Eberflus was a bad head coach. I hope the rest of the board also figures this out. Thanks Daniel!
This thread should be renamed "The unhealthy obsession with losing NFL games"
 

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