The unhealthy obsession with forcing turnovers to win games

Ernie54

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Your Chicago Bears are 4th in the NFL in turnover differential at a plus 10. This of course is supposed to equate to more wins.
This is primarily why Matt Eberflus was hired was for the Bears to renew their Lovie Smith era ability take the football away, to the detriment of EVERYTHING else.

No pass rush, no pass protection and zero consistency from the offense.

But NFL offenses have adjusted and turnovers across the league are. QBs are protecting the football better than ever.

The impact of turnovers is still there but if you can't force QBs into making mistakes or if you don't have the fucking offense to take advantage of a turnover, there's no value to it. It's like getting an offensive rebound, it looks pretty unless you're missing the second chance basket.

The Bears have failed miserably and the record speaks for itself.

Hopefully they'll avoid the defensive minded head coach who constantly hamstrings his offense with his defensive mentality.
Good post. I hope long-term Bears fans agree that during the Lovie years the game plan seemed to be: get a turnover and have Devin Hester score 1 or 2 touchdowns. Then they would win a few games at the end of the season to get our hopes up. We need to establish a winning culture but I think it would be more valuable to use these last 4 games to develop and evaluate the entire roster. I like Caleb but I would not risk a career ending injury with the current offensive line.
 

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Defense should devote itself to much healthier obsessions!

Offense needs room to operate!

Am I doing this right OP?
 

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You missed the point. The Bears entire identity for the last 20 years has been that. They've have very little success even when they are among the best at forcing turnovers.

Patrick Mahomes had 14 picks and he has 11 this year. Why aren't the Chiefs among the worst teams in the NFL if they're not among best in turnover differential?
It was definitely the focus under lovie and it again was the focus under flus. I don’t remember it being the focus in between those two. Naturally, anyone would like to win the turnover battle, but I don’t remember it being a focus under Fox or Nagy
 

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Kansas City has a top six defense and a great quarterback and other weapons. And yet every week they find themselves in a game that comes down to the wire. So maybe just maybe turnover is actually do freaking matter because if they weren’t so low on turnover differential they’d be winning some of these games with ease.

They squeaked by the Raiders twice beat the Panthers by three and got some other very good fortune.

Clearly, they’re a very good team, but I think that shows that losing the turnover battle makes every game a struggle even against opponents who are not close in talent.
 

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I can't help recalling all the years Lovie and his (over)reliance on forcing turnovers to be successful is that when they weren't able to force them, they almost always lost, by and large because he didn't care enough - have enough knowledge - about offense to win games when without turnovers.

This was the case so many times, even when the D played well enough, but wasn't able to get any takeaways. That is just so myopic and simply messed up. Turnovers are game breakers, for sure, but watching teams take what the Bears' D gave and still gives them while keeping the ball safe, gobbling up clock AND scoring, even if only field goals, was not a winning model when facing better teams with QB's and coaches who have half a brain.

I so hated watching Lovie smugly excuse and explain away a critical loss due to "we weren't able to win the turnover battle," when the team had no turnovers of its own but didn't create any, either. THAT right there is when your offense is supposed to actually do something to positively influence the game. But a reliance on running the ball and playing defense to get turnovers (via the bend but don't break) is just painful to watch. Did it work magically in '06, sure, all the way to a superbowl appearance. But it didn't work in big games after everyone else in the league took note and simply took the wide open slants, under routes and screens against the soft zone all the way down the field.

One word: Yuck!
 

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