This is the most negative the board has been after a WIN ever

[didshereallysaythat]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/passing.htm

Lol, the dude was the 26th and 28th ranked QB by passer rating in the last 2 years. In what world is that top 15 QB?



See above, Flacco is a terrible QB based on the last few years. You are delusional to say he is top 15. Did you stop following the Ravens like 5-10 years ago?

Eye test. Dude makes a lot of clutch throws late in games to put his team in position to win games. He had a few bad years there at the end in Baltimore. That's why they ran him out. He is not some slouch.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

No I responded by noting your point is irrelevant to this thread because a good D has only proven to be successful in carrying decent to slightly below average offenses.

As the Bears offense is currently atrocious, I have no idea why you posted in this thread about the negativity around the Bears.

Most people are aware good defenses can win championships. I think most people are also away that good defenses are not going to necessarily win championships if your offense averages under 10 ppg.

In 2000, the Ravens went 5 straight games without scoring a touchdown. I don't mean a passing touchdown or only defensive touchdowns. I mean ANY TOUCHDOWN.

They rode the ship and the defense carried them every step of the way to the superbowl.

 

[iueyedoc]

No I responded by noting your point is irrelevant to this thread because a good D has only proven to be successful in carrying decent to slightly below average offenses.

As the Bears offense is currently atrocious, I have no idea why you posted in this thread about the negativity around the Bears.

Most people are aware good defenses can win championships. I think most people are also away that good defenses are not going to necessarily win championships if your offense averages under 10 ppg.

Again, the read comprehension issues for you keep popping up. I do not wish to continue retyping things at a level I think you will understand to only find you still do not. Omelet and Aesopian may be more your speed.

 

[pablovi]

Their defense was ranked 12th in points (that's despite a poor offense that didn't help them). They were in the top 8 in sacks and INTs. They gave up more yards than average, that's it. This year they also have Vic Fangio, who should make them better.

13th in points per game, which is middle of the pack, which is average. And 22 in yards per game. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categoryst...eStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&qualified=false

I said, they’re at best, average.

 

[remydat]

The Great Joe Flacco Passer Rating since he won Super Bowl in 2012

2013 - 32nd
2014 - 16th
2015 - 30th
2016 - 24th
2017 - 26th
2018 - 29th

It baffles the mind to think anyone could look at the above and conclude he is a top 15 QB. He has quite objectively speaking been one of the worst starting QBs the past 6 years.

 

[dennehy]

In 2000, the Ravens went 5 straight games without scoring a touchdown. I don't mean a passing touchdown or only defensive touchdowns. I mean ANY TOUCHDOWN.

They rode the ship and the defense carried them every step of the way to the superbowl.

The logic works against you here if you have one example from this century to demonstrate your point.

 

[remydat]

Again, the read comprehension issues for you keep popping up. I do not wish to continue retyping things at a level I think you will understand to only find you still do not. Omelet and Aesopian may be more your speed.

Think you mean reading comprehension not read comprehension. You would think you would get that right in a post bashing other's for their comprehension.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

The Great Joe Flacco Passer Rating since he won Super Bowl in 2012

2013 - 32nd
2014 - 16th
2015 - 30th
2016 - 24th
2017 - 26th
2018 - 29th

It baffles the mind to think anyone could look at the above and conclude he is a top 15 QB. He has quite objectively speaking been one of the worst starting QBs the past 6 years.

I don't care about the QB rating. I judge it based on real game situations.

 

[remydat]

The logic works against you here if you have one example from this century to demonstrate your point.

He also ignores the fact they averaged 20.8 points a game which is considerable more than than less than 10 ppg we are averaging.

 

[iueyedoc]

Think you mean reading comprehension not read comprehension. You would think you would get that right in a post bashing other's for their comprehension.

a spelling zinger...cool. I will walk you through it like a kindergartner on a field trip

Defense can and always will beat a great offense. This has been demonstrated time and time again.

This is just simply not true.

Except it can. 6 times since 2000 a top 4 defense has dragged a double digit offense to a SB championship, twice more if you throw in #9 ranked offenses . Only once has a top 4 offense carried a below top 10 offense to a SB championship in the same time frame. The illusion is that offenses win championships, but while the stats have changed with the passing era to create that charade, having a superior defense of the time is still significantly more likely to help you win a trophy.


Offensive and Defensive Ranks for Superbowl winners

Below is a list of all the Superbowl winners and their defensive rank (by points allowed), their offensive rank (by points scored) for that season, and their Combined Rank Average (CRA)
CRA=(Defensive Rank + Offensive Rank)/2

Year	Team	Defense Rank	Offensive Rank	CRA	QB
2018	Patriots	7	4
2017	Eagles	4	3
2016	Patriots	1	3
2015	Broncos	4	19		Peyton Manning
2014	Patriots	8	4	6	Tom Brady
2013	Seahawks	1	9	5	Russell Wilson
2012	Ravens	12	10	11	Joe Flacco
2011	Giants	25	9	17	Eli Manning
2010	Packers	2	10	6	Aaron Rodgers
2009	Saints	20	1	10.5	Drew Brees
2008	Steelers	1	20	10.5	Ben Rothlisberger
2007	Giants	17	14	15.5	Eli Manning
2006	Colts	23	2	12.5	Peyton Manning
2005	Steelers	4	9	6.5	Ben Rothlisberger
2004	Patriots	2	4	3	Tom Brady
2003	Patriots	1	12	6.5	Tom Brady
2002	Buccaneers	1	18	9.5	Brad Johnson
2001	Patriots	6	6	6	Tom Brady
2000	Ravens	1	14	7.5	Tony Banks/Trent Dilfer

Please find where I said the Bears current offense could win a SB with a good defense or whatever you think I am arguing.

There really is only 2 actual possible reasons for such poor understanding of my posts and responding by you.
1) You are really sorta stupid
2) You like to try to gotcha me because I point out your frequent errors in logic and somehow feel it is a personal grudges

I don't think you are really stupid, so I am stuck with 2)

 

[MDB111™]

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He is better than Trent Dilfer and he won a Superbowl.

Trent Dilfer only started half of that 2000 SB year. His rating was 76.6. So far after 2 magical games, Mitch has a rating of 65.

And Mitch should get better. Christ, there is nowhere to go but up from here. He may even throw a few tds! We can't really assume he is better than Trent Dilfer.
Trent is laughing at this while kissing his SB ring.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

The logic works against you here if you have one example from this century to demonstrate your point.

So if it was in 2001, it would magically be different?

And it's overblown how "different" the NFL was then vs now. You act like a team can't win as easily with defense now based on what? Offenses throwing the ball more due to RPOs? Give me some concrete evidence that says that what worked for the Ravens in 2000 couldn't work for the Bears in 2019?

 

[pablovi]

FFS, altitude sickness is caused by a sudden increase in altitude without giving time to adapt to that elevation, of course no one living at your altitude gets sick, they fucking live there. And wtf does some high school teams record against other teams of similar elevations in some Podunk town have to do with anything?

“Altitude sickness typically occurs only above 2,500 metres (8,000 ft)” “AMS occurs in about 20% of people after rapidly going to 2,500 metres (8,000 ft) and 40% of people going to 3,000 metres (10,000 ft)” less than 1% get it at Denver’s altitude, that would mean 5 people in entire football roster.

I live in the biggest city in this continent, México city, with 20 million people, and I don’t mean the people that live here, the 6 million tourist that come here every year, only a very small percentage gets altitude sickness, And here there are more professional team heres, of all sports, than in any city in your country, and non of them is undefeated.

 

[remydat]

I don't care about the QB rating. I judge it based on real game situations.

Lol, what real game situations since 2012 suggest he is a top 15 QB. You have no clue WTF you are talking about right?

Since the SB year, he is 42-43 as a starter despite the Ravens still having a pretty good defense over that time period.

He sucks dude. GTFOH trying to gas him up to make the Bears victory seem better.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

“Altitude sickness typically occurs only above 2,500 metres (8,000 ft)” “AMS occurs in about 20% of people after rapidly going to 2,500 metres (8,000 ft) and 40% of people going to 3,000 metres (10,000 ft)” less than 1% get it at Denver’s altitude, that would mean 5 people in entire football roster.

I live in the biggest city in this continent, México city, with 20 million people, and I don’t mean the people that live here, the 6 million tourist that come here every year, only a very small percentage gets altitude sickness, And here there are more professional teams of all sport than in any city in your country, and non of them is undefeated.

Are the people visiting Mexico City deciding to do suicides on a football field immediately after getting off the plane?

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Lol, what real game situations since 2012 suggest he is a top 15 QB. You have no clue WTF you are talking about right?

Since the SB year, he is 42-43 as a starter despite the Ravens still having a pretty good defense over that time period.

He sucks dude. GTFOH trying to gas him up to make the Bears victory seem better.

And half the QBs who start don't have a 500 record. What's your point? Someone has to be ranked 15th.

 

[dennehy]

So if it was in 2001, it would magically be different?

And it's overblown how "different" the NFL was then vs now. You act like a team can't win as easily with defense now based on what? Offenses throwing the ball more due to RPOs? Give me some concrete evidence that says that what worked for the Ravens in 2000 couldn't work for the Bears in 2019?

My guess is you could go back farther than that. Also it isn't 2001.

I don't act like anything. I'm just saying your point is a statistical outlier and actually supports the opposite of what you're saying.

Asking for "concrete evidence" to prove a negative is not a smart road to go down. And could it work? Sure. The chances that it will work are extremely small, though, because almost every SB in history has had a competent offense.

 

[remydat]

So if it was in 2001, it would magically be different?

And it's overblown how "different" the NFL was then vs now. You act like a team can't win as easily with defense now based on what? Offenses throwing the ball more due to RPOs? Give me some concrete evidence that says that what worked for the Ravens in 2000 couldn't work for the Bears in 2019?

the 2000 Ravens averaged 20 points a game. The 2019 Bears average under 10 ppg so you point is still stupid.

 

[Bears4Ever_34]

It's called perspective. Fans aren't coaches or players; we don't have to have a week to week mentality, and we're are allowed to take a macro view of things as they occur.

The reason most fans are concerned is because of the sudden realization that the quarterback probably sucks. For a team that came into the season with championship aspirations, watching Mitchell Trubisky regress right before our eyes should invoke feelings of despair and make you wonder if their ceiling is really that high at all.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

the 2000 Ravens averaged 20 points a game. The 2019 Bears average under 10 ppg so you point is still stupid.

Ofcourse this is assuming they actually get SOMEWHAT better on offense. If they averaged 10 points a game, they would go down as one of the worst offenses in the history of professional sports.