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By "went to the wrong team" do you mean were in the vicinity of a Lions player who had no realistic chance to make an interception and this sort of thing happens many times over the course of a game with even HOF level QBs and no one is dumb enough to mention them? Then yes, I agree.
no I mean its thrown directly to the wrong team, not "in the vicinity" and of course it happens to all players. drops happen good and bad to every player. but thats irrelevant to my point that kicked off this whole remy vortex
 

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The math was perfect. Your source is indefensible, and you still have not provided screenshots to prove your arguments. There is 5 balls that went to the wrong team in the first lions game alone. You have something to counter that?

Subtraction is math and you were wrong because you stupidly subtracted fumbles that were never included in the first place.

Read what you send next time dumbass.
 

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Subtraction is math and you were wrong because you stupidly subtracted fumbles that were never included in the first place.

Read what you send next time dumbass.
My argument had nothing to do with fumbles. So of course I'm going to subtract them.

I consider bad ball placement the fault of the QB. PFF does not.. your source is Special person and you can't defend this stupidity.

So we are left with screenshots.. you have any?
 

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My argument had nothing to do with fumbles. So of course I'm going to subtract them.

I consider bad ball placement the fault of the QB. PFF does not.. your source is Special person and you can't defend this stupidity.

So we are left with screenshots.. you have any?

But you shouldnt have subtracted them because not all fumbles are TWPs so they were never in the 9 to begin with which I already proved. So again your math was terribly wrong.

PFF considers bad ball placement the fault of the QB too hence why they are downgraded for it. However if the WR gets 2 hands on the ball and should have caught it but deflects it in the air then the int from the deflection is rightly considered their fault not the QB. You want to blame the QB for the WR deflecting it when the WR was capable of catching it despite the bad ball placement. That is just dumb.
 

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But you shouldnt have subtracted them because not all fumbles are TWPs so they were never in the 9 to begin with which I already proved. So again your math was terribly wrong.

PFF considers bad ball placement the fault of the QB too hence why they are downgraded for it. However if the WR gets 2 hands on the ball and should have caught it but deflects it in the air then the int from the deflection is rightly considered their fault not the QB. You want to blame the QB for the WR deflecting it when the WR was capable of catching it despite the bad ball placement. That is just dumb.

I originally subtracted all the fumbles and did the math. I acknowledged my mistake with that and you came back with 2 of the fumbles are not a TWP.. so I redid the math based on your number which still proved me correct and now you are trying to say that non of the fumbles are a TWP?

Sorry Remy but I'm not buying it. You are not a trustworthy source after all.

Look how you are lying again about what a TWP actually is.. you keep saying that a tipped ball by the WR doesn't count but have yet to prove that is the case. No where did they say it has to be tipped by the WR vs tipped by the D.

Furthermore my example of why PFF is a joke is because a bad throw that is an overthrow (not tipped by anyone) that ends up an INT they don't consider a TWP.. so you bringing up tipped passes is more vortex nonsense

Ball placement matters, except in the realm of PFF.. which is a joke

Nothing you can say trying to justify the stupidity of PFF is going to be accepted, you are a proven liar, and PFF is a proven joke..

Screenshots or nothing
 

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I originally subtracted all the fumbles and did the math. I acknowledged my mistake with that and you came back with 2 of the fumbles are not a TWP.. so I redid the math based on your number which still proved me correct and now you are trying to say that non of the fumbles are a TWP?

Sorry Remy but I'm not buying it. You are not a trustworthy source after all.

Look how you are lying again about what a TWP actually is.. you keep saying that a tipped ball by the WR doesn't count but have yet to prove that is the case. No where did they say it has to be tipped by the WR vs tipped by the D.

Furthermore my example of why PFF is a joke is because a bad throw that is an overthrow (not tipped by anyone) that ends up an INT they don't consider a TWP.. so you bringing up tipped passes is more vortex nonsense

Ball placement matters, except in the realm of PFF.. which is a joke

Nothing you can say trying to justify the stupidity of PFF is going to be accepted, you are a proven liar, and PFF is a proven joke..

Screenshots or nothing
I already proved why 3 of the fumbles were clearly not TWP. The Rams and Commanders games had 0 TWP so it is obvious the strip sack and Kramer fumble charged to Caleb were not recorded as 0 means there were no TWPs dumbass.

I also proved the Latu strip sack against the Colts was not a TWP because the Colts game only had 1 TWP but Caleb threw 2 picks. I posted video evidence of the 1 int that was clearly on Caleb so the Latu strip sack cannot be a TWP.

Finally since the Colts game had 2 Ints but only one TWP it is obvious one of the interceptions was deemed to not be Caleb's fault. So I posted the vid of that Int where Rome clearly got 2 hands on the ball but deflected it and the DB intercepted. So that is 100% proof that deflected passes are not TWPs.

So this is another lie or again you are too stupid to read and comprehend. All of this was already stated in post 971 below. Since you are too stupid to read I folded the important parts.

It is obvious if you read the whole article which we know you didn't. So the problem here is your inability to read what you posted.

I already backed up my argument.
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Week 1 - 2 TWP and given his poor fumble score of 28.1 then let's say PFF gave him a TWP play for the dropped snap although I think they graded him poorly but didnt give him a TWP because there was no chance at a recovery by the defense. So that is 1 passing almost int and 1 fumble TWP if I am being generous to you or 2 almost ints.

Week 2 - 3 TWPs and 2 Ints. There were no fumbles in this game so that is 2 actual ints and 1 almost int.

Week 3 - He had 2 ints but only one TWP so obviously PFF is saying one of the ints was not Caleb.


This is the int that is not on Caleb because again had both hands on it and deflected it to the DB. This proves my point about deflected passes by the offense not being TWP for the QB so again you were wrong moron.

This is also the game with the Latu strip sack so clearly it can't be a TWP as the obvious int that was a TWP is the below. So this is 1 passing TWP (actual int).
And again you were wrong about the strip sack being a TWP.


Week 4 - This is the Rams where there was a strip sack but no TWP so clearly the strip sack is not a TWP and again you are wrong that it is.

Week 5 - No ints or fumbles but 2 TWP so this has to be 2 almost ints.

Week 6 - One int and one TWP so the TWP is an actual int.

Weeks 8-10 - No ints, and no TWPs. This means the Kramer fumble in week 8 could not have been recorded as a TWP. So again you were wrong.

So you missed 4 almost Ints for sure or 5 if we exclude the Titans fumble. Or more correctly we both know you didn't actually go back and watch the tape and you have been lying this whole time.

So we know 3 of the fumbles were never TWPs and we have 1 fumble where the fumble score is low but the D never had a chance to recover. That means the TWP rate for just passes is either 2.72% (8/294) or 3.1% (9/294). Under Brown it is 3.4%. So that would be an increase of either 25% or 9.67%. Neither is proof of skyrocketing sir.

I will also close that under Brown he faced much better teams and so your whole premise was flawed. To recap.

1. You were wrong about the fumbles because you didn't read your own article dumbass.

2. You were wrong about deflected passes because you didn't read and understand your own article dumbass.

3. You missed 4 or 5 almost ints because let's be honest you lied and didn't actually check.

4. You were wrong about a skyrocketing effect as the increase is clearly small sample size skewing and facing better competition. You were wrong because we both know your dumbass thought all fumbles were TWPs and you were calculation a 111% increase which we both know was dumb as hell.
Like Jesus dude. Learn to read. You were proven wrong and you math is bullshit. 3 of the fumbles were obviouslu not TWP and deflected passes by the WR are not TWPs for the QB. Sorry.
 

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I already proved why 3 of the fumbles were clearly not TWP. The Rams and Commanders games had 0 TWP so it is obvious the strip sack and Kramer fumble charged to Caleb were not recorded as 0 means there were no TWPs dumbass.

I also proved the Latu strip sack against the Colts was not a TWP because the Colts game only had 1 TWP but Caleb threw 2 picks. I posted video evidence of the 1 int that was clearly on Caleb so the Latu strip sack cannot be a TWP.

Finally since the Colts game had 2 Ints but only one TWP it is obvious one of the interceptions was deemed to not be Caleb's fault. So I posted the vid of that Int where Rome clearly got 2 hands on the ball but deflected it and the DB intercepted. So that is 100% proof that deflected passes are not TWPs.

So this is another lie or again you are too stupid to read and comprehend. All of this was already stated in post 971 below. Since you are too stupid to read I folded the important parts.


Like Jesus dude. Learn to read. You were proven wrong and you math is bullshit. 3 of the fumbles were obviouslu not TWP and deflected passes by the WR are not TWPs for the QB. Sorry.
You haven't proven anything. And you saying 3 of the fumbles are obviously not a TWP is meaningless.

You continuing to lie that a tipped pass is not a TWP is also you lying. And also completely dumb on you part anyway because it doesn't change the math at all.

Furthermore you arguing about a TWP is pointless because PFF is a complete joke.

Screenshots or nothing.
 

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You haven't proven anything. And you saying 3 of the fumbles are obviously not a TWP is meaningless.

You continuing to lie that a tipped pass is not a TWP is also you lying. And also completely dumb on you part anyway because it doesn't change the math at all.

Furthermore you arguing about a TWP is pointless because PFF is a complete joke.

Screenshots or nothing.
I posted a screenshot from PFF showing the Commanders and Rams games had 0 TWPs recorded so that is proof PFF did not record the fumbles as TWPs.

That screenshot also showed 1 TWP in a Colts game that had 2 Ints and the Latu strip sack. So it is clear the tipped Int and strip sack were not recorded by PFF as TWPs. You can't be this stupid and dishonest.

At this point you are just embarrassing with your lies. Your credibility is destroyed.
 
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I posted a screenshot from PFF showing the Commanders and Rams games had 0 TWPs recorded so that is proof PFF did not record the fumbles as TWPs.

That screenshot also showed 1 TWP in a Colts game that had 2 Ints and the Latu strip sack. So it is clear the tipped Int and strip sack were not recorded by PFF as TWPs. You can't be this stupid and dishonest.

At this point you are just embarrassing with your lies. Your credibility is destroyed.
Don't care about TWP from PFF, PFF is a joke.. want screenshots from the actual games like I posted.

Have a good Christmas Remy
 

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Don't care about TWP from PFF, PFF is a joke.. want screenshots from the actual games like I posted.

Have a good Christmas Remy
Sure you care. You spent pages using PFF when you thought it helped your argument. You just running from it now because you suck at reading comprehension and math.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
 

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