Thomas Brown for Head Coach

[remydat]

So you have nothing got it.

But at least you worked really hard in your vortex to prove without a doubt I was correct.. nice work

Let's recap. You quoted an article that said 2 things.

1. Not all fumbles are TWP including fumbled handoffs and strip sacks.

2. Deflected passes are not TWP for the QB.

Despite the above you claimed all fumbles are TWPs and that a pass Moore deflected in the air was a TWP play against Caleb.

So one of 2 things happened here. You either lied twice or you are a fucking moron that didnt read the full article you quote. Neither reflects well on you bit feel free to let me know whether you are a liar or a fucking moron.

Then you made a claim you posted screenshots and then admitted later you posted 0 screenshots. This was a clear lie. You should have said you tried to find screenshoots bit couldnt. Instead you lied and said you posted screenshots when you clearly didnt.

Finally your claim of 0 almost Ints under Waldron was obviously a lie. We know it was obviously a lie because you conceded there was 9 TWPs under Waldron. We know he has 5 actual interceptions and we know 2 fumbles were not TWPs because they were a fumbled handoff and a strip sack on a 7 man protection. So at a minimum there had to be at least 2 (9-5-2) almost ints under Waldron. So again we know your claim of 0 is a lie because the math doesnt work.

 

[dbldrew]

Let's recap. You quoted an article that said 2 things.

1. Not all fumbles are TWP including fumbled handoffs and strip sacks.

2. Deflected passes are not TWP for the QB.

Despite the above you claimed all fumbles are TWPs and that a pass Moore deflected in the air was a TWP play against Caleb.

So one of 2 things happened here. You either lied twice or you are a fucking moron that didnt read the full article you quote. Neither reflects well on you bit feel free to let me know whether you are a liar or a fucking moron.

Then you made a claim you posted screenshots and then admitted later you posted 0 screenshots. This was a clear lie. You should have said you tried to find screenshoots bit couldnt. Instead you lied and said you posted screenshots when you clearly didnt.

Finally your claim of 0 almost Ints under Waldron was obviously a lie. We know it was obviously a lie because you conceded there was 9 TWPs under Waldron. We know he has 5 actual interceptions and we know 2 fumbles were not TWPs because they were a fumbled handoff and a strip sack on a 7 man protection. So at a minimum there had to be at least 2 (9-5-2) almost ints under Waldron. So again we know your claim of 0 is a lie because the math doesnt work.

Non of what you posted is proof I lied about anything.

I have maintained that PFF is untrustworthy, they can't do math, the don't apply accurately what they said was a TWP is and they stupidly included fumbles and jam them together with passes.. that about the dumbest thing you can do for a QB who has mostly passes. It's dumb. But you wanted to use it. You used it to prove there was almost a 50% increase.. well done idiot.

And me saying I found 0 "almost INT" is not a lie. There is 9 TWP, 5 actual INT and there is 4 actual fumbles.

You are suspecting they are not counting 2 of the fumbles, but I could not find the 2 "almost INT" that you are claiming are there. Maybe they are and I missed them OR maybe the untrustworthy PFF just counted all the fumbles as well. They are untrustworthy, if you want to attempt to find those 2 then go ahead. Post the screenshots

But that is also not a lie because I have asked you to check my 0 total because I might of missed one. That's me admitting that I might of missed one and might of made a mistake (mistakes are not lies)

Now it's probably a waste of time for you because I did the math again just giving you the extra 2 "almost INT" that you have no proof of still proves me correct with almost a 50% increase.

So again we are left with you vortexing to prove I was correct all along. Nice work

 

[remydat]

Non of what you posted is proof I lied about anything.

I have maintained that PFF is untrustworthy, they can't do math, the don't apply accurately what they said was a TWP is and they stupidly included fumbles and jam them together with passes.. that about the dumbest thing you can do for a QB who has mostly passes. It's dumb. But you wanted to use it. You used it to prove there was almost a 50% increase.. well done idiot.

And me saying I found 0 "almost INT" is not a lie. There is 9 TWP, 5 actual INT and there is 4 actual fumbles.

You are suspecting they are not counting 2 of the fumbles, but I could not find the 2 "almost INT" that you are claiming are there. Maybe they are and I missed them OR maybe the untrustworthy PFF just counted all the fumbles as well. They are untrustworthy, if you want to attempt to find those 2 then go ahead. Post the screenshots

But that is also not a lie because I have asked you to check my 0 total because I might of missed one. That's me admitting that I might of missed one and might of made a mistake (mistakes are not lies)

Now it's probably a waste of time for you because I did the math again just giving you the extra 2 "almost INT" that you have no proof of still proves me correct with almost a 50% increase.

So again we are left with you vortexing to prove I was correct all along. Nice work

You still havent addressed the following.

1. Are you a liar or just a moron for quoting an article and not reading it? Why did you not realize all fumbles are not TWPs and deflected passes are not TWP on the QB when it was in the article you quoted? Do you usually quote stuff without fully reading or comprehending it?

2. You say PFF is not trustworthy but you found 7 times more TWPs in the Lions game that PFF did but now claim you found zero in Waldron games. Like you cant be this dishonest. It is obvious ypu were counting things as TWP that PFF wasnt so to claim you now found less TWPs in Waldron games than PFF just shows you are lying and biased.

3. You 50% statisitc is a lie. It was 2.3% under Waldron and 2.6% under Brown. You dont have the data to correctly determine how to adjust for fumbles and your screenshot argument is clearly biased.

 

[dbldrew]

You still havent addressed the following.

1. Are you a liar or just a moron for quoting an article and not reading it? Why did you not realize all fumbles are not TWPs and deflected passes are not TWP on the QB when it was in the article you quoted? Do you usually quote stuff without fully reading or comprehending it?

2. You say PFF is not trustworthy but you found 7 times more TWPs in the Lions game that PFF did but now claim you found zero in Waldron games. Like you cant be this dishonest. It is obvious ypu were counting things as TWP that PFF wasnt so to claim you now found less TWPs in Waldron games than PFF just shows you are lying and biased.

3. You 50% statisitc is a lie. It was 2.3% under Waldron and 2.6% under Brown. You dont have the data to correctly determine how to adjust for fumbles and your screenshot argument is clearly biased.

a deflected pass is in fact a TWP they had a video of a deflected pass that still went for a TD and they called it a TWP..

no it went from 2.3 up to 2,6 when we are talking fumbles. but again thats not the debate. you know this so you are actually lying trying to push something that includes fumbles in a debate that has nothing to do with fumbles.. So another lie from you.. why do you lie so much?

Lets do the math again there was 9 TWP according to the (crappy) PFF you said 2 of the fumbles are not a TWP (without proof) lets pretend for a moment that is correct, that means there is 7 passing TWP in the waldron games. there is 294 passing attempts in the Waldron games so thats a 2.3% passing TWP based on pass attempt. In the 3 games under Brown this debate started at there was 4 passing TWP and with 117 passing attempts thats a 3.4% TWP based on passing attempts so thats a massive 48% increase.

Remy your vortex has failed spectacularly.. again

better luck next time champ

 

[remydat]

a deflected pass is in fact a TWP they had a video of a deflected pass that still went for a TD and they called it a TWP..

no it went from 2.3 up to 2,6 when we are talking fumbles. but again thats not the debate. you know this so you are actually lying trying to push something that includes fumbles in a debate that has nothing to do with fumbles.. So another lie from you.. why do you lie so much?

Lets do the math again there was 9 TWP according to the (crappy) PFF you said 2 of the fumbles are not a TWP (without proof) lets pretend for a moment that is correct, that means there is 7 passing TWP in the waldron games. there is 294 passing attempts in the Waldron games so thats a 2.3% passing TWP based on pass attempt. In the 3 games under Brown this debate started at there was 4 passing TWP and with 117 passing attempts thats a 3.4% TWP based on passing attempts so thats a massive 48% increase.

Remy your vortex has failed spectacularly.. again

better luck next time champ

Are you stupid? That was deflected by the D and then caught for a TD. The deflected play here was deflected by Moore ie the WR which is not a TWP per the article you quoted. So again why did you not read and understand the article you quoted?

We dont know if it includes fumbles because the only 2 fumbles I saw were not TWPs. You havent produced any evidence that the other 2 fumbles were Caleb's fault. Until you can provide proof that the other 2 fumbles were on Caleb you cannot deduct them from the 9. So go put in the work and find the other fumbles. One was Titans and the other Rams.

Sorry I did provide proof. I provided proof your article says fumbled handoffs are not TWPs on the QB and we know one of Caleb's fumbles was the Kramer handoff. I also provided proof your article says strip sacks are not TWP and I showed the video of a 7 man protection where Caleb had to wait because it was just a 2 man route and 7 blockers allowed 4 Colts pass rushers to get a sack.

So until then it is 2.3 vs 2.6.

Edit - Just realized PFF actually had Caleb with 0 TWP against the Rams so that fumble is not in the 9. So that is 3 fumbles not in the 9.

You can see the fumble at 3 minutes and this is another strip sack which again is why PFF had this as not a TWP. So only fumble left is against Titans.

The last fumble is at 5.42. Caleb drops thr snap and picks it right. No chance this is a TWP as they were 0 chance of any defender recovering the ball.

So yeah not of the 4 fumbles are TWP so your assumptions are wrong. There were 9 TWP under Waldron and none of them included the fumbles.

 

[dbldrew]

Are you stupid? That was deflected by the D and then caught for a TD. The deflected play here was deflected by Moore ie the WR which is not a TWP per the article you quoted. So again why did you not read and understand the article you quoted?

We dont know if it includes fumbles because the only 2 fumbles I saw were not TWPs. You havent produced any evidence that the other 2 fumbles were Caleb's fault. Until you can provide proof that the other 2 fumbles were on Caleb you cannot deduct them from the 9. So go put in the work and find the other fumbles. One was Titans and the other Rams.

Sorry I did provide proof. I provided proof your article says fumbled handoffs are not TWPs on the QB and we know one of Caleb's fumbles was the Kramer handoff. I also provided proof your article says strip sacks are not TWP and I showed the video of a 7 man protection where Caleb had to wait because it was just a 2 man route and 7 blockers allowed 4 Colts pass rushers to get a sack.

So until then it is 2.3 vs 2.6.

the article said nothing about deflected by the O or deflected by the D. it was..

"We all know that not every interception is the quarterback’s fault, but even in the case of turnover-worthy plays, there may be interceptions that are considered downgrades for the quarterback, yet not turnover-worthy. Examples of plays in which the quarterback assumes some fault, yet they are still considered “unlucky” to have been intercepted, include passes with poor ball location that get deflected up in the air or overthrows that end up as interceptions on plays where they’d normally fall incomplete."

So a poor ball placement that gets deflected up into the air is not a TWP in the article but a poor ball placement that gets deflected up into the air IS a TWP in the video.. great source you are using.

Also any sourse that takes away the blame from the QB for poor ball placement is just as dumb as you can get. Thats the QBs job, ball placement is the QBs fault. the fact that they are ignoring bad placed balls and overthrows as not being a QB problem is just another example like I said with PFF not being a trustworhty source..

Again its not 2.3 vs 2.6 its combined pass+fumble should be 2.3 vs 2.7 but again PFF is ret@rded
But the real numbers we care about is 2.3 passing only vs 3.4 passing only

there was NO fumbles in the 3 games so 100% of the TWP was passing. the fact that they are adding in rushing attempts and sacks to calculate a % when you ONLY have passing TWP is just another example of PFF being ret@rded and untrustworthy.

your source you used and vortexed over is a joke, but still proves me correct.

better luck next time champ

 

[remydat]

the article said nothing about deflected by the O or deflected by the D. it was..

"We all know that not every interception is the quarterback’s fault, but even in the case of turnover-worthy plays, there may be interceptions that are considered downgrades for the quarterback, yet not turnover-worthy. Examples of plays in which the quarterback assumes some fault, yet they are still considered “unlucky” to have been intercepted, include passes with poor ball location that get deflected up in the air or overthrows that end up as interceptions on plays where they’d normally fall incomplete."

So a poor ball placement that gets deflected up into the air is not a TWP in the article but a poor ball placement that gets deflected up into the air IS a TWP in the video.. great source you are using.

Also any sourse that takes away the blame from the QB for poor ball placement is just as dumb as you can get. Thats the QBs job, ball placement is the QBs fault. the fact that they are ignoring bad placed balls and overthrows as not being a QB problem is just another example like I said with PFF not being a trustworhty source..

Again its not 2.3 vs 2.6 its combined pass+fumble should be 2.3 vs 2.7 but again PFF is ret@rded
But the real numbers we care about is 2.3 passing only vs 3.4 passing only

there was NO fumbles in the 3 games so 100% of the TWP was passing. the fact that they are adding in rushing attempts and sacks to calculate a % when you ONLY have passing TWP is just another example of PFF being ret@rded and untrustworthy.

your source you used and vortexed over is a joke, but still proves me correct.

better luck next time champ

You are being stupid and again cant read. The rest of the paragraph says.

We can rely on our 2017 quarterback data to know that downgradable throws from the quarterback that are not considered turnover-worthy were intercepted 2.4 percent of the time, so while the quarterback gets his proper deduction, it’s not in that turnover-worthy category if it happens to be picked.

If a pass has bad ball placement but is deflected by the WR then the QB gets a bad grade on the play for his ball placement but it is not a TWP. So again you are lying or a moron for not reading. The QB doesnt have blame taken away. They get a poor grade. 2Like seriously dude. Read the whole article and stop being lazy and stupid.

It isnt 2.3 if you remove the sacks and runs. None of the 4 fumbles under Waldron were TWPs So it is 9/294 passes or 3.1% vs 3.4%. We know none of the fumbles are included because.

1. The Kramer fumble was a bad handoff which PFF said they dont count as a TWP.

2. The Rams fumble was not recorded as a TWP as Caleb had 0 TWPs for the Rams game.

3. The Latu strip sack was not a TWP because PFF said strip sacks are not TWP unless the ball was held too long which it wasnt. We know that because againg the Rams strip sack was clearly not a TWP as Caleb had 0 TWP against the Rams.

4. The Titans dropped shotgun snap had no chance of being recovered by the D so was not a TWP.

So you cant remove sacks and runs under Brown and not do the same under Waldron. Either it is 2.3 vs 2.6 with sacks and runs or 3.1 vs 3.4 without. Neither is skyrocketing.

Learn to read the whole article dumbass.

 

[dbldrew]

You are being stupid and again cant read. The rest of the paragraph says.

We can rely on our 2017 quarterback data to know that downgradable throws from the quarterback that are not considered turnover-worthy were intercepted 2.4 percent of the time, so while the quarterback gets his proper deduction, it’s not in that turnover-worthy category if it happens to be picked.

If a pass has bad ball placement but is deflected by the WR then the QB gets a bad grade on the play for his ball placement but it is not a TWP. So again you are lying or a moron for not reading. The QB doesnt have blame taken away. They get a poor grade. 2Like seriously dude. Read the whole article and stop being lazy and stupid.

It isnt 2.3 if you remove the sacks and runs. None of the 4 fumbles under Waldron were TWPs So it is 9/294 passes or 3.1% vs 3.4%. We know none of the fumbles are included because.

1. The Kramer fumble was a bad handoff which PFF said they dont count as a TWP.

2. The Rams fumble was not recorded as a TWP as Caleb had 0 TWPs for the Rams game.

3. The Latu strip sack was not a TWP because PFF said strip sacks are not TWP unless the ball was held too long which it wasnt. We know that because againg the Rams strip sack was clearly not a TWP as Caleb had 0 TWP against the Rams.

4. The Titans dropped shotgun snap had no chance of being recovered by the D so was not a TWP.

So you cant remove sacks and runs under Brown and not do the same under Waldron. Either it is 2.3 vs 2.6 with sacks and runs or 3.1 vs 3.4 without. Neither is skyrocketing.

you are lying it does not say deflected by the WR, it just said deflected.. you are a liar and got caught again

And any stat complier that does not considered an INT from a bad ball placement throw as a "turnover worthy play" is as ret@rded as you.

I can remove sacks and runs under brown because I only care about passing, so its all based on passing attempts and passing TWP.

We did the same for Waldron based on your (unproven) opinion that there is only 7 passing TWP

you want to post screenshots of all the passing TWP under waldron then go for it.. if you come up with a different number based on your screenshots we will adjust the math.

so post the screenshots if you want.


but I have to laugh that PFF doesnt care about ball placement from the QB when figuring out a TWP and you pay for this shit? lol

 

[remydat]

you are lying it does not say deflected by the WR, it just said deflected.. you are a liar and got caught again

And any stat complier that does not considered an INT from a bad ball placement throw as a "turnover worthy play" is as ret@rded as you.

I can remove sacks and runs under brown because I only care about passing, so its all based on passing attempts and passing TWP.

We did the same for Waldron based on your (unproven) opinion that there is only 7 passing TWP

you want to post screenshots of all the passing TWP under waldron then go for it.. if you come up with a different number based on your screenshots we will adjust the math.

so post the screenshots if you want.


but I have to laugh that PFF doesnt care about ball placement from the QB when figuring out a TWP and you pay for this shit? lol

Nope you are being stupid. A pass deflected by the defender is a TWP because PFF already said it is a TWP if it has a high chance of being intercepted. The one example in the video it was clear the defender should have intercepted it so it is a TWP.

By contrast, the comment about deflected passes is obviously talking about a pass deflected by the offense. And in the example we are talking about it isnt a TWP for the QB because Moore still got 2 hands on the ball and should have caught it. The fact he knocked it up in the air is not the QBs fault hence why it isnt a TWP on the QB even though the QB might get a bad grade for the poor pass. So I have to laugh at your playing stupid enough to pretend the two are the same.

No there are 9 TWPs under Waldron that are passing because when I checked the other fumbles there were not TWPs. Initially I cited the Latu strip sack and Kramer fumble as not TWPs. Then I checked the Rams game and the Rams strip sack was not a TWP as Caleb had 0 for that game so clearly PFF did not blame the strip sack on Caleb. Then I checked the Titans and that was not a TWP as no defender had a chance at a recovery.

So you trying to reduce the 9 TWPs by the 4 fumbles was wrong. None of the 4 fumbles were TWP which means all 9 TWPs recorded by PFF were on passes. So again it is 9/294 which is 3.1% under Waldron. You were wrong. Sorry.

If you think any of the 9 TWP under Waldron were fumbles then provide you evidence as I already cited the PFF sentence from your article that proves they are not.

 

[dbldrew]

Nope you are being stupid. A pass deflected by the defender is a TWP because PFF already said it is a TWP if it has a high chance of being intercepted. The one example in the video it was clear the defender should have intercepted it so it is a TWP.

By contrast, the comment about deflected passes is obviously talking about a pass deflected by the offense. And in the example we are talking about it isnt a TWP for the QB because Moore still got 2 hands on the ball and should have caught it. The fact he knocked it up in the air is not the QBs fault hence why it isnt a TWP on the QB even though the QB might get a bad grade for the poor pass. So I have to laugh at your playing stupid enough to pretend the two are the same.

No there are 9 TWPs under Waldron that are passing because when I checked the other fumbles there were not TWPs. Initially I cited the Latu strip sack and Kramer fumble as not TWPs. Then I checked the Rams game and the Rams strip sack was not a TWP as Caleb had 0 for that game so clearly PFF did not blame the strip sack on Caleb. Then I checked the Titans and that was not a TWP as no defender had a chance at a recovery.

So you trying to reduce the 9 TWPs by the 4 fumbles was wrong. None of the 4 fumbles were TWP which means all 9 TWPs recorded by PFF were on passes. So again it is 9/294 which is 3.1% under Waldron. You were wrong. Sorry.

If you think any of the 9 TWP under Waldron were fumbles then provide you evidence as I already cited the PFF sentence from your article that proves they are not.

there is nothing obvious about PFF with it only being a WR vs a defender deflecting the ball you are making that up. FACT it just said deflected

Im not sure whats more ret@rded the fact that PFF doesnt think a QB that made a bad throw and overthrows his WR and it gets picked counts as a TWP or the fact that you actually pay for that level of stupidity from them.

your opinion that non of the fumbles count as a twp is meaningless until you back it up with screenshots. I found a total of 0 "almost int" you are now claiming there is 4? then post the screenshots and back up your claim.

PFF is a total joke with how the calculate a TWP and bad ball placement and overthrows dont count lol no wonder in the lions game they ignored all the times it went to the wrong team.. completely useless for stats, and completely useless in our debate

put up or shut up time remy. post up your proof

 

[remydat]

there is nothing obvious about PFF with it only being a WR vs a defender deflecting the ball you are making that up. FACT it just said deflected

Im not sure whats more ret@rded the fact that PFF doesnt think a QB that made a bad throw and overthrows his WR and it gets picked counts as a TWP or the fact that you actually pay for that level of stupidity from them.

your opinion that non of the fumbles count as a twp is meaningless until you back it up with screenshots. I found a total of 0 "almost int" you are now claiming there is 4? then post the screenshots and back up your claim.

PFF is a total joke with how the calculate a TWP and bad ball placement and overthrows dont count lol no wonder in the lions game they ignored all the times it went to the wrong team.. completely useless for stats, and completely useless in our debate

put up or shut up time remy. post up your proof

It is obvious if you read the whole article which we know you didn't. So the problem here is your inability to read what you posted.

I already backed up my argument.

Week 1 - 2 TWP and given his poor fumble score of 28.1 then let's say PFF gave him a TWP play for the dropped snap although I think they graded him poorly but didnt give him a TWP because there was no chance at a recovery by the defense. So that is 1 passing almost int and 1 fumble TWP if I am being generous to you or 2 almost ints.

Week 2 - 3 TWPs and 2 Ints. There were no fumbles in this game so that is 2 actual ints and 1 almost int.

Week 3 - He had 2 ints but only one TWP so obviously PFF is saying one of the ints was not Caleb.

This is the int that is not on Caleb because Odunze again had both hands on it and deflected it to the DB. This proves my point about deflected passes by the offense not being TWP for the QB so again you were wrong moron.

This is also the game with the Latu strip sack so clearly it can't be a TWP as the obvious int that was a TWP is the below. So this is 1 passing TWP (actual int). And again you were wrong about the strip sack being a TWP.

Week 4 - This is the Rams where there was a strip sack but no TWP so clearly the strip sack is not a TWP and again you are wrong that it is.

Week 5 - No ints or fumbles but 2 TWP so this has to be 2 almost ints.

Week 6 - One int and one TWP so the TWP is an actual int.

Weeks 8-10 - No ints, and no TWPs. This means the Kramer fumble in week 8 could not have been recorded as a TWP. So again you were wrong.

So you missed 4 almost Ints for sure or 5 if we exclude the Titans fumble. Or more correctly we both know you didn't actually go back and watch the tape and you have been lying this whole time.

So we know 3 of the fumbles were never TWPs and we have 1 fumble where the fumble score is low but the D never had a chance to recover. That means the TWP rate for just passes is either 2.72% (8/294) or 3.1% (9/294). Under Brown it is 3.4%. So that would be an increase of either 25% or 9.67%. Neither is proof of skyrocketing sir.

I will also close that under Brown he faced much better teams and so your whole premise was flawed. To recap.

1. You were wrong about the fumbles because you didn't read your own article dumbass.

2. You were wrong about deflected passes because you didn't read and understand your own article dumbass.

3. You missed 4 or 5 almost ints because let's be honest you lied and didn't actually check.

4. You were wrong about a skyrocketing effect as the increase is clearly small sample size skewing and facing better competition. You were wrong because we both know your dumbass thought all fumbles were TWPs and you were calculation a 111% increase which we both know was dumb as hell.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

I'm not sure who is better at absorbing hits...Caleb Williams or remydat?

 

[dbldrew]

It is obvious if you read the whole article which we know you didn't. So the problem here is your inability to read what you posted.

I already backed up my argument.
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Week 1 - 2 TWP and given his poor fumble score of 28.1 then let's say PFF gave him a TWP play for the dropped snap although I think they graded him poorly but didnt give him a TWP because there was no chance at a recovery by the defense. So that is 1 passing almost int and 1 fumble TWP if I am being generous to you or 2 almost ints.

Week 2 - 3 TWPs and 2 Ints. There were no fumbles in this game so that is 2 actual ints and 1 almost int.

Week 3 - He had 2 ints but only one TWP so obviously PFF is saying one of the ints was not Caleb.

This is the int that is not on Caleb because Odunze again had both hands on it and deflected it to the DB. This proves my point about deflected passes by the offense not being TWP for the QB so again you were wrong moron.

This is also the game with the Latu strip sack so clearly it can't be a TWP as the obvious int that was a TWP is the below. So this is 1 passing TWP (actual int). And again you were wrong about the strip sack being a TWP.

Week 4 - This is the Rams where there was a strip sack but no TWP so clearly the strip sack is not a TWP and again you are wrong that it is.

Week 5 - No ints or fumbles but 2 TWP so this has to be 2 almost ints.

Week 6 - One int and one TWP so the TWP is an actual int.

Weeks 8-10 - No ints, and no TWPs. This means the Kramer fumble in week 8 could not have been recorded as a TWP. So again you were wrong.

So you missed 4 almost Ints for sure or 5 if we exclude the Titans fumble. Or more correctly we both know you didn't actually go back and watch the tape and you have been lying this whole time.

So we know 3 of the fumbles were never TWPs and we have 1 fumble where the fumble score is low but the D never had a chance to recover. That means the TWP rate for just passes is either 2.72% (8/294) or 3.1% (9/294). Under Brown it is 3.4%. So that would be an increase of either 25% or 9.67%. Neither is proof of skyrocketing sir.

I will also close that under Brown he faced much better teams and so your whole premise was flawed. To recap.

1. You were wrong about the fumbles because you didn't read your own article dumbass.

2. You were wrong about deflected passes because you didn't read and understand your own article dumbass.

3. You missed 4 or 5 almost ints because let's be honest you lied and didn't actually check.

4. You were wrong about a skyrocketing effect as the increase is clearly small sample size skewing and facing better competition. You were wrong because we both know your dumbass thought all fumbles were TWPs and you were calculation a 111% increase which we both know was dumb as hell.

So no screenshots to backup your position?

 

[remydat]

So no screenshots to backup your position?

Lol at screenshots. The math is the math. You lied sir and you know it.

 

[dbldrew]

Lol at screenshots. The math is the math. You lied sir and you know it.

So that's a no you have no proof of your claims?
Other then an organization that can't do math, and is completely clueless on what a TWP actually is?

Screenshots Remy do you have any?

 

[remydat]

So that's a no you have no proof of your claims?
Other then an organization that can't do math, and is completely clueless on what a TWP actually is?

Screenshots Remy do you have any?

Except your math is worse. You were quite happy using PFF before it was revealed you fucked up all the math.

My argument has NOTHING to do with fumbles. I said he "throws the ball" to the wrong team.

SO removing the 1 fumble for Brown, and the 4 fumbles from Waldron leaves us with 5 passing TPI for each.

294 passing attempts under Waldron = 1.7%
140 passing attempts under Brown = 3.6%

so thats a 111% increase in passing TPI.. yep skyrocketed like I said.

This is you right. You completely fucked up the Math here because you removed all fumbles despite the fact the PFF article you cited made it clear not all fumbles are TWP. This is a grossly stupid thing to do because it was your info you provided that proved how stupid the above was.

So you are crying about 2.6 vs 2.7 ie a 4% difference when your math was off by either 60% (2.72%) or 82% (3.1). So your math error was 15 to 20 times worse dumbass.

So sorry PFF is 15-20 times more accurate than you. Thanks.

 

[dbldrew]

Except your math is worse. You were quite happy using PFF before it was revealed you fucked up all the math.

This is you right. You completely fucked up the Math here because you removed all fumbles despite the fact the PFF article you cited made it clear not all fumbles are TWP. This is a grossly stupid thing to do because it was your info you provided that proved how stupid the above was.

So you are crying about 2.6 vs 2.7 ie a 4% difference when your math was off by either 60% (2.72%) or 82% (3.1). So your math error was 15 to 20 times worse dumbass.

So sorry PFF is 15-20 times more accurate than you. Thanks.

My math is 100% spot on based on the information that I had, I showed the math You might disagree on the passing TWP vs Fumble TWP I used, but I dont pay for PFF so dont have a per game TWP like you have access to, its just 9 TWP and some of those are fumbles.

Yes 2.6 vs 2.7 is a big deal because its another example of PFF being completely incompetent. PFF is a joke, they literally said that bad ball placement that ends up an INT is NOT a TWP.. wtf?

QB fucks up the throw and overthrows the WR and it gets picked
PFF - no problem here that terrible throw that ended up a turnover obviously is not a turnover worthy play everything is fine..

you seriously cant defend the stupidity of bad ball placement somehow not being the QB fault for a turnover. Ball placement is one of the main jobs of a QB

Your source is ret@rded no wonder they only have 1 TWP in the first lions game rather then like 5 if bad ball placement magically is not the QBs fault.

Me and the rest of the world considers bad ball placement a QB issue. So you will have to post up screenshots of the Waldron games because your PFF source is ret@rded

 

[remydat]

My math is 100% spot on based on the information that I had, I showed the math You might disagree on the passing TWP vs Fumble TWP I used, but I dont pay for PFF so dont have a per game TWP like you have access to, its just 9 TWP and some of those are fumbles.

Yes 2.6 vs 2.7 is a big deal because its another example of PFF being completely incompetent. PFF is a joke, they literally said that bad ball placement that ends up an INT is NOT a TWP.. wtf?

QB fucks up the throw and overthrows the WR and it gets picked
PFF - no problem here that terrible throw that ended up a turnover obviously is not a turnover worthy play everything is fine..

you seriously cant defend the stupidity of bad ball placement somehow not being the QB fault for a turnover. Ball placement is one of the main jobs of a QB

Your source is ret@rded no wonder they only have 1 TWP in the first lions game rather then like 5 if bad ball placement magically is not the QBs fault.

Me and the rest of the world considers bad ball placement a QB issue. So you will have to post up screenshots of the Waldron games because your PFF source is ret@rded

No you had infomation that not all Fumbles were TWPs because you quoted the document several times. Your dumbass just didnt read the info you had which is your fault not mine or PFFs.

Your inability to read the information you are citing is a big deal as ot proves how slopy and lazy you are rendering any of your commentary here not credible. You cant get it right even when info is spoon fed to you.

So again your math was 15 to 20 times worse than PFFs. Sorry.

 

[dbldrew]

No you had infomation that not all Fumbles were TWPs because you quoted the document several times. Your dumbass just didnt read the info you had which is your fault not mine or PFFs.

Your inability to read the information you are citing is a big deal as ot proves how slopy and lazy you are rendering any of your commentary here not credible. You cant get it right even when info is spoon fed to you.

So again your math was 15 to 20 times worse than PFFs. Sorry.

The math was perfect. Your source is indefensible, and you still have not provided screenshots to prove your arguments. There is 5 balls that went to the wrong team in the first lions game alone. You have something to counter that?

 

[didshereallysaythat]

The math was perfect. Your source is indefensible, and you still have not provided screenshots to prove your arguments. There is 5 balls that went to the wrong team in the first lions game alone. You have something to counter that?

By "went to the wrong team" do you mean were in the vicinity of a Lions player who had no realistic chance to make an interception and this sort of thing happens many times over the course of a game with even HOF level QBs and no one is dumb enough to mention them? Then yes, I agree.