Thoughts after the season

[CSF77]

Just curious but what is it that makes you feel like they'll definitely shed payroll?
Theo has two more years here.
Shouldn't he do the Dombrowski as well and do what it takes to win?
Even if it means killing the farm?

Because he has kept pay roll in check and he has been bringing in new talent. He has 2 too 100 and 2 more on the cusp.

He did not do a complete fire sale of the farm and go over 2nd tax.

 

[CSF77]

Urias would be the key. Maybe move a little further down the list and ask for Ryan Weathers.

I could move down the ladder in pitching.

Jon Morosi was pushing Bryant to the Rangers also. I'm not sure if they have what the Cubs want.

 

[CSF77]

This is just a circular discussion.

You say the Cubs are upgrading, but the red sox apparently are not downgrading.

Red Sox are over tax the next 2 years before any arb or opts are pulled. Cots has this info on their spreadsheet.

They have to drop payroll or they will wreck their franchisee.

 

[CSF77]

A club exceeding the Competitive Balance Tax threshold for the first time must pay a 20 percent tax on all overages. A club exceeding the threshold for a second consecutive season will see that figure rise to 30 percent, and three or more straight seasons of exceeding the threshold comes with a 50 percent luxury tax. If a club dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset. So, a club that exceeds the threshold for two straight seasons but then drops below that level would be back at 20 percent the next time it exceeds the threshold.

Add to it thier 1st pick drops 10 slots back.

 

[Castor76]

Another thing to keep in mind is whatever team misses out of Rendon, presuming he has multiple suitors, could then become a trade partner as a spot to send Bryant.

 

[Steve_A]

Bradley Jr is a upgrade regardless

His defensive metrics are trending down but you're probably okay with this right?

 

[Steve_A]

I can't see Boston getting rid of Bradley Jr and Betts.

Who knows Yankees are a powerhouse now and the Rays are much better than people thought.
Maybe they take a punch to the gut a couple of years and try a fast rebuild
targeted towards the middle of Bogaerts / Devers / Benintendi's control periods.

 

[Steve_A]

Wrigley Field collapses, and the Cubs move to Taiwan.

And the White Sox still wouldn't draw flies..........

Can't we all just get along? LOL

 

[Steve_A]

I can see Theo moving Bryant. This no extension shit and eventually having to deal with Boreass. I dont know if the Nationals are thinking they lost Harper for nothing, they lost him and dont have to pay 330 million dollars.

I still think they talk to KB first, Javy is probably back in Puerto Rico already and Theo said there will be no long rebuild here, so whoever says no to a fair offer will be traded for A, not taking fair value and B, sending a message to the rest.

As much as I'd like to agree.
I'd say Bryant is the most likely.
I don't think his agent takes the service time manipulation too well and will definitely take him to free agency.
He himself might try to go play with Harper.

I'd say try to work out a deal with the ones you can and move on from the ones unlikely.

 

[CSF77]

His defensive metrics are trending down but you're probably okay with this right?

It is one year. They are not buying extended control.

 

[CSF77]

As much as I'd like to agree.
I'd say Bryant is the most likely.
I don't think his agent takes the service time manipulation too well and will definitely take him to free agency.
He himself might try to go play with Harper.

I'd say try to work out a deal with the ones you can and move on from the ones unlikely.

That is water under the bridge. He has been paid well over his term as a Cub. It is a business decision to retain or trade. I expect a fair market offer and if he declines

 

[anotheridiot]

any metrics falling down were based on injuries, which seems the reason people will fear giving him a big deal. You also have to believe anyone giving up the farm for Bryant would need him to sign that extension, otherwise, the prospects are not going to be mind blowing. Maybe the second or third top starting pitcher prospect, not the top guy.

Sadly, if Nico deserves to win leadoff and 2B out of spring training, its just going to tick Bryant off more. You can argue Theo lost what, 20 days of nico control, which means he could only save service time and super 2 if he gets called up in June. He proved he can play here, but its all going to be about the control, and if he gets it when KB didnt, its gonna tug at his short hairs.

I guess you can refer to this like the way the sox dealt with Eloy, sign the deal or you are starting the year in AAA. In this Nico case, if Bryant locks up or is dealt, Nico might start day 1.

 

[Realistic fan]

any metrics falling down were based on injuries, which seems the reason people will fear giving him a big deal. You also have to believe anyone giving up the farm for Bryant would need him to sign that extension, otherwise, the prospects are not going to be mind blowing. Maybe the second or third top starting pitcher prospect, not the top guy.

The same factors that make many people on here want to trade Bryant will also make other teams hesitant on trading for him which brings down his value. Dealing with Boras is also another negative for some teams.

 

[CSF77]

Well they should offer and extend. They turn him down then do the arb process. You have 2 strongv3B on the market right now so his value is deflated. Unless a team just wa ts him that bad it is better to wait on the next opertunity

 

[Castor76]

Well they should offer and extend. They turn him down then do the arb process. You have 2 strongv3B on the market right now so his value is deflated. Unless a team just wa ts him that bad it is better to wait on the next opertunity

I think this could open up the trade market for Bryant. Washington and Atlanta could both lose their guys there. Now Atlanta has a kid coming up so maybe they go that direction. But somebody is going to lose out most likely.

 

[CSF77]

I think this could open up the trade market for Bryant. Washington and Atlanta could both lose their guys there. Now Atlanta has a kid coming up so maybe they go that direction. But somebody is going to lose out most likely.

I'm pretty sure Nat's and ATL will pay. They are in winning windows.

 

[CSF77]

I think the most likey scenerio is

Schwarber LF
Heyward CF
Happ RF
Bryant 3B
Baez SS
Nico 2B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C

Bote 3B/2B
Caratini C
Kemp 2B/OF
Short SS/2B

Almora and Russell DFA to not pay their Arb costs.

Then rotation

They need a arm. I just don't see them going with 3 pitchers that are back of the rotation.

Pen. They need a set up. Ryan and Wick did a nice job but they need a pitcher like Benetes. He stablizes the pen and alows the manager to utilize Wick and Ryan in high pressure spots earlier.

About it. It is little change but I just don't see them paying increasing costs on utility types.

 

[Omeletpants]

I think the most likey scenerio is

Schwarber LF
Heyward CF
Happ RF
Bryant 3B
Baez SS
Nico 2B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C

Bote 3B/2B
Caratini C
Kemp 2B/OF
Short SS/2B

3rd place offense

 

[Steve_A]

I think the most likey scenerio is

Schwarber LF
Heyward CF
Happ RF
Bryant 3B
Baez SS
Nico 2B
Rizzo 1B
Contreras C

Bote 3B/2B
Caratini C
Kemp 2B/OF
Short SS/2B

Almora and Russell DFA to not pay their Arb costs.

Then rotation

They need a arm. I just don't see them going with 3 pitchers that are back of the rotation.

Pen. They need a set up. Ryan and Wick did a nice job but they need a pitcher like Benetes. He stablizes the pen and alows the manager to utilize Wick and Ryan in high pressure spots earlier.

About it. It is little change but I just don't see them paying increasing costs on utility types.

Just curious but they are under a lot of pressure to change things up though right?

 

[CSF77]

3rd place offense

Not saying that it a champ at all.