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No my point is 285 yards going into yesterday is underperforming for a No 1 and this offense is not to blame.
No my point is 285 yards going into yesterday is underperforming for a No 1 and this offense is not to blame.
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No it isn't. You guys again hyping Trubs 19 TDs so no it isn't too early. I can judge and then revise that judgement as more data comes in.
Maybe if I cared about being right or wrong I would wait until all the data is in but I have no problem adjusting my opinion if the data changes.
Just like ya'll happy about what the data says about Trubs after 9 games.
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Pace was right on this one not to sign Cam.
In other news Saints signed brandon marshall to replace dez.
In other news Saints signed brandon marshall to replace dez.
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Trubisky gets the ball on almost every play.....AR is one receiver out of several on a team that doesn't force the ball to one or two guys.....there is a difference.
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Lol how convenient. Except of course when the small sample stats were not in Trubs favor, ya'll would say it is too early.
Let's be honest here. Whether small samples are useful to look at is dependent on whether it fits the narrative people want to sell.
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What narrative are you trying to sell...ARob ROI isn't as good as Cam Meredith's?
I'm not trying to sell a 'narrative', because its too early to have a 'narrative'. I am just telling you what I see when I watch the Bears. I don't think Robinson is "underperforming" (your terminology).
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6 games on a guy that is part of the offense is too small. While I have continued to say that I want to see the entire year to make a judgement on Trubisky and 3 full years to give a final judment, Trubisky gets the ball significantly more than Robinson on a per play basis and I can make a judgment on the trend. I have not made my final call on Trubisky. And I certainly am not making a judgment on Robinson and I not enough info to even judge a trend...........
But on a per games played basis, he has more TDs and Yards than any other receiver on the team.
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That Arob's numbers were disappointing because from my perspective they were.
And I can do the same for Arob and revise as more data comes in which I did. So not sure the point. Just because you want to wait doesn't mean I have to. As long as I accept that the trend or data can change as more games are played then there is no issue.
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But I think making any judgment on Arob at this point is meaningless. Hence the discussion. I believe it was you who brought up Robinson when people were making the call that Pace made the right call on Cam. The difference between the two is that the Saints had him for a two year contract and the thread didn't start until The Saints were moving to sign another receiver....Bears weren't looking to replace Arob.
No one mentioned Arob in this thread until you did. The premise of this thread was that Pace was right to not sign Cam. And he was. Cam is on a two year deal which leaves little time to let his contract play out, especially when the Saints decided to pick up Dez.
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ARob's contract is essentially a 2 year 28 million contract.
Umm one can comment about how someone played in a game or 6 games. Not meaningless at all. If ARob put up 7 100 yard games we could certainly comment on that so no reason we can't comment on how he performed over 6 games.
This idea if a guy had 5 targets and had 1 catch and 4 yards, I can't say he sucked that game is absurd. Particularly when again that is tempered by the recognition that things can change with more data. Evaluations can be fluid.
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sure you can make a judgment about 1 game...that is fine....but to bring up Arob in comparison to Cam after 6 games and talk about contract value is a bit absurd..there is an out after 2 years but it is still a 3 year contract and 6 games is too early to make a judgment....
We were judging Cam because the Saints brought in another receiver, and not specifically the stats.......that was the point of the post.....At the time, before Cam went on IR, it seemed like the Saints were throwing in the towel. The thread wasn't started based on his stats....
No one is replacing Arob on the Bears....
You brought up Arob.
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It would be absurd if I didn't acknowledge he has time to turn it around which I said repeatedly.
If I sign an employee to a big contract and he starts off struggling, I don't wait until the contract is over to say you really blew it. I evaluate his performance as I go and if he is struggling then I let him know he has to improve. That is real time feedback and it is subject to change.
ARob was not living up to his contract. If he blows up the last half of the season then my evaluation will simply change but I will continue to evaluate real time.
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that was your first post about it...
The crux of the initial post is that the Saints were going to get Dez....hinting that Cam may be done....that is why people were calling Pace correct....you wanted to post contract values....that was your argument....
Turns out Pace was correct....and so were the Bears doctors......you started the production to contract talk...
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I think we'll see Allen Robinson finish with really nice numbers. He has 31/418/4 through 7 games. With 7 more games remaining and with Mitch getting more comfortable with him I think it's fair to say we'll see closer to the full extent of what Robinson can do.
I think 40/500/4 over the next 7 is realistic, and that would put him at 71/918/8. Traditionally I guess people see the #1 as someone who can consistently put up I guess 80+/1000+/5+ or something. So I would say in an offense that spreads the ball around finishing up with those projected numbers would prove that he's a true #1 and a superior red zone weapon.
We'll see if he hits those marks but I just hope he stays healthy, because the offense is clearly better when he is.
I think 40/500/4 over the next 7 is realistic, and that would put him at 71/918/8. Traditionally I guess people see the #1 as someone who can consistently put up I guess 80+/1000+/5+ or something. So I would say in an offense that spreads the ball around finishing up with those projected numbers would prove that he's a true #1 and a superior red zone weapon.
We'll see if he hits those marks but I just hope he stays healthy, because the offense is clearly better when he is.
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Not sure your point. I am aware I brought up ARob and contract values. And? What do you think this proves?
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You brought up the contract values for some phantom productivity argument you wanted to make to counter the argument of why the Saints were bringing on another receiver, then completely give yourself an out of the argument......what was even the point of bringing it up then?
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I brought it up to get the emo fans worked up and 6 pages later, I would say mission accomplished.
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In other words, I'll just cop out the back door while simultaneously running in circles.
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