Top 3 Draft Board

[RiDLer80]

Vikings Harrison Smith 6’2 213lb 4.57 19 Reps 1st Round #29

Chiefs Eric Berry 6’0 211lb 4.47 19 Reps
1st Round #5 pick

Seahawks Earl Thomas 5’10 208lb 4.49 21 Reps
1st Round #14

Jaguars Jalen Ramsey 6’1 209lb 4.41 14 Reps
1st round #5

Please stop the madness saying
Derwin James 6’2 214lb 4.47 21 Reps
isnt worthy of being the Bears selection. His athleticism is on par with all those above and NFL.com says his direct comparable is Eric Berry with a score of 6.44 aka instant starter.

If any of the above players were added to the Bears unit it would likely be a top 5 defensive unit. Derwin James is easily worth #8.

James didn't make half the plays in college that those guys you listed made.

Three safeties known for taking the ball away from the offense and then one of the best cove corners to come out of college in years. James is an in the box strong safety. His value isn't nearly the same as Thomas, Berry, Smith or Ramsey.

Derwin James is Jabrill Peppers.

 

[Xplosive]

James didn't make half the plays in college that those guys you listed made.

Three safeties known for taking the ball away from the offense and then one of the best cove corners to come out of college in years. James is an in the box strong safety. His value isn't nearly the same as Thomas, Berry, Smith or Ramsey.

Derwin James is Jabrill Peppers.

Feel free to provide some evidence to support your argument. Simply saying James = Peppers doesn’t hold water.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

Goldman can play DE. Going against a tackle will make him even more effective.

I could get on board with Hicks, Vea, Goldman. That is a lot of beef.

 

[Visionman]

I could get on board with Hicks, Vea, Goldman. That is a lot of beef.

I'm the engineer of that train, sir....ALL ABOARD!

 

[RiDLer80]

Feel free to provide some evidence to support your argument. Simply saying James = Peppers doesn’t hold water.

Please show me all the game-changing, impact plays James has made. His stats are extremely pedestrian compared to every player you listed other than Peppers (whose stats are extremely similar).

 

[Milky]

Edmunds
Ward
Davenport

All three are big swings.

James and Fitz are right behind for me


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[Xplosive]

Please show me all the game-changing, impact plays James has made. His stats are extremely pedestrian compared to every player you listed other than Peppers (whose stats are extremely similar).

Ive provided plenty of stats and info, meanwhile you seem to repeatedly say James is Peppers with nothing more than your opinion to support it. I guess NFL.com’s comparison to Eric Berry is worthless because only Riddler80 knows the real truth, he just doesnt have anything but his opinion to base it on.

 

[Washington]

Nelson
Ward
Smith

 

[PolarBear]

My Bears Big Board - Still fluctuating but right now it is;

1. Bradley Chubb - Best player at a serious position of need. He is the one player I would even consider trading up in this draft for depending on the price. He starts opposite Floyd and fits perfectly in the role McPhee had.

2. Quentin Nelson - The best prospect in the draft. He has the physical and mental makeup you want and the college production and tape to go with it. You don't get a much cleaner prospect than Quenton Nelson.

3. Tremaine Edmunds - This will draw some criticism, especially being above Barkley but the upside is undeniable and he plays a position that is a much greater need than RB. Edmunds is a freak physically and his tape shows that he will come into the league as a very good coverage LB. That is huge in today's NFL.

The struggles, as we have discussed thoroughly on this board, are the instincts in the running game. That's not to say he doesn't make an impact in the running game because he does. He doesn't shy away from shooting gaps and being aggressive which is a much better choice than sitting back on your heels and being conservative. I would rather a LB be aggressive and try to make a big play, even if it's the wrong decision, than be hesitant and not be a factor at all. His sideline to sideline speed is also a major plus.

4. Minkah Fitzpatrick - Minkah was my guy to start this whole process but I fell out of love with him due to the concerns that he couldn't play CB permanently. Combine that with the fact that the Bears have two legitimate safeties and they resigned all 3 of their starting CB's and he sort of fell out of favour from a need standpoint. Then I went back and looked at his tape...The guy is a stud. Nick Saban LOVES him. He is by all reports a very good leader, extremely football savvy and a consummate professional. He can play multiple roles and be a Swiss army knife for a defence. Draft him, give him to Vic and Ed Donatell and say "You're Welcome".

You run to the podium if the above 4 players make it to you. I think you strongly consider a trade down (if possible of course) if they don't

5. Saquon Barkley - I am not buying the "generational back" stuff. That's not to say Barkley won't be a good running back in this league, a guy that talented physically with his production can obviously play and is a valuable prospect but I think his vision is average and hurts his ability to run between the tackles when there is a clear lane for him. If has great blocking in front of him or you can get him in space, he is deadly but it's that ability to make plays for yourself that separates the very good backs from the great ones. Combine that with that fact that RB is simply not a need for the Bears.

6. Denzel Ward - Uber athlete, can play inside and outside and plays hard. The only knock on him is size which may limit him against the Julio's and A.J Green's but he would be a perfect matchup for the likes of Antonio Brown or Odell Beckham Jr.

7. Derwin James - Extremely gifted athlete, plus character and leadership and very versatile. Once again, would have to find a role for him BUT can't argue with the talent.

8. Calvin Ridley - Would be a great compliment to A-Rob. Polished route runner, plus hands and athletic enough to challenge you vertically. I think you know what you are getting and that is a low #1/high #2 receiver. I comp him to Emmanuel Sanders.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

I'm the engineer of that train, sir....ALL ABOARD!

nevermind

 

[RiDLer80]

Ive provided plenty of stats and info, meanwhile you seem to repeatedly say James is Peppers with nothing more than your opinion to support it. I guess NFL.com’s comparison to Eric Berry is worthless because only Riddler80 knows the real truth, he just doesnt have anything but his opinion to base it on.

Yeah, that comparison is pretty worthless actually. Berry had interception totals of 5, 7 and 2 in his college career. James has 3 total.

Berry is a true free safety that takes the ball away from opposing offenses. James is a strong safety that people call a safety-linebacker hybrid.

 

[Fatman LOU]

Yeah, that comparison is pretty worthless actually. Berry had interception totals of 5, 7 and 2 in his college career. James has 3 total.

Berry is a true free safety that takes the ball away from opposing offenses. James is a strong safety that people call a safety-linebacker hybrid.

Ok, do you know that a Safety-Linebacker Hybrid is a safety that can line up on the line , play the run, but also cover against the pass. Whats not to like about that ? I guess i dont understand the point you're trying to make.

 

[ChiBears78]

1) OG Quenton Nelson - Notre Dame
Possibly the best prospect in the draft. The best offensive line prospect in forever. Has all-pro potential and drawing real comparisons to hall of fame players. Would sure up the interior of our offensive line for the next 5+ years (baring health) with Nelson, Whitehair, Long.

2) DB Minkah Fitzpatrick - Alabama
Prior to the underwear Olympics, he was widely considered one of the best 3 or 4 prospects in the draft. He can play every position in the defensive backfield at an elite level plus nickel or dime linebacker. Bonafide playmaker, was the defensive leader for one of the best defenses in college football learning the defensive back position from one of the best defensive back coaches in Saban. Fuller, Fitzpatrick, Amos, Jackson will have our defensive backfield locked and loaded for the next 5+ years as well.

3) LB Tremaine Edmunds - Virginia Tech
Rare and elite combination of size, speed and strength. At only 19 years old, he still has room to grow his already imposing frame even more. Long, lengthy, strong, fast and will become bigger, stronger and faster. Will have his athletically developmental years molded by the hands of one of the best defensive coaches in the game with Fangio. Another stud playmaker tallying over 100 tackles each of the last two seasons. Has the ability to shed blocks and shut down the run game. Cover the big and athletic tight ends. Rush the passer from the inside and can move to the edge on situations. Versatile. Could be moved to edge rusher as his career progresses, but right now he is a massive upgrade over Kwiatoski.

 

[Xplosive]

Yeah, that comparison is pretty worthless actually. Berry had interception totals of 5, 7 and 2 in his college career. James has 3 total.

Berry is a true free safety that takes the ball away from opposing offenses. James is a strong safety that people call a safety-linebacker hybrid.

Ok, so your reasoning is based around James having less interceptions. Lets say he doesnt have great hands, how about his 15 pass deflections, do those count? How about 15 tackles for loss, 5.5 sacks, 186 tackles?

How about the fact that his numbers are from 26 games not 39 games like Berry’s. He has better numbers than Fitz in some categories playing about 16 less games.

 

[Fatman LOU]

Ok, so your reasoning is based around James having less interceptions. Lets say he doesnt have great hands, how about his 15 pass deflections, do those count? How about 15 tackles for loss, 5.5 sacks, 186 tackles?

How about the fact that his numbers are from 26 games not 39 games like Berry’s.

Xplosive, i can see the argument for drafting James at #8 , me myself would rather have Minkah. Only for the fact we already have Amos and i can see sliding Minkah in and playing slot, outside or going 3 safety's . But jmo

 

[Visionman]

Xplosive, i can see the argument for drafting James at #8 , me myself would rather have Minkah. Only for the fact we already have Amos and i can see sliding Minkah in and playing slot, outside or going 3 safety's . But jmo

Bears have shown interest in Fitz. Not so much James...

 

[Xplosive]

Xplosive, i can see the argument for drafting James at #8 , me myself would rather have Minkah. Only for the fact we already have Amos and i can see sliding Minkah in and playing slot, outside or going 3 safety's . But jmo

I can respect that, I was more just debating the idea that James wasn’t worthy of the pick. I like Amos and he had a good bounce-back season. With that said they havent re-signed him yet, and I think James can be moved around just like Fitz.

The Bears are in nickel quite often so moving James to LB or NB would allow the Bears to match up very well no matter what teams try to do.

 

[Xplosive]

Bears have shown interest in Fitz. Not so much James...

Thats Pace’s M.O. he doesnt let his plans get out

 

[NCChiFan]

So far: Nelson (21 votes), Edmunds (18), Davenport (11)
Then Fitz (7)
4 way tie for 5th: James, Landry, Ward, Roquan

 

[CaimanTierraFL]

Bears have shown interest in Fitz. Not so much James...

Somebody who gets IT!!

Ward/Fitz/Edmunds TOP 3 for PACE in that order!! I KNOW!! Trust me!!

Why?

Bama 2ndary players have shown draft in and draft out to be best of all bama player positions, Not RB, Not DE, not OL, not WR, etc...

Also Ohio St CBs last few years shown very good Pace= Saints= Lattimore

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