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[Xplosive]

Safeties get paid the least on avg.. I don't see that as a concern and yes he can do all of those things and no he isn't slower he ran a 4.4 at his pro day. He has rushed the passer covered RBs and TEs and actually weighted more and is 1 inch shorter. Derwin James isn't a typical NB and I'd play derwin james at SS permanently anyways. Adrian amos has shown the ability to rush the passer but the bears don't have anyway who can make up for the weakness for those type of plays. Aka we would rather not rush the SS because lack of talent.

Running a 4.56 at the combine and suddenly a 4.39 hand-timed at pro day is suspicious. Ive watched Amos for years now and he doesnt appear to be a 4.4 player. He was a 5th round pick for a reason and was benched because of his poor play in previous seasons.

He also isnt the leader on the field that James is and is more low key by nature. Its not easy to compare college performance to pro players but James is the superior athlete, has better intangibles, has the higher ceiling, and we will have to agree to disagree on who’s a better blitzer.

The Bears are paying a ton to CB’s the next couple seasons so no reason to draft and pay a first round CB over a player that can start day one at SS or even as LB in the same position Jerrell Freeman (also a SS in college) played.

 

[wazzupi]

Running a 4.56 at the combine and suddenly a 4.39 hand-timed at pro day is suspicious. Ive watched Amos for years now and he doesnt appear to be a 4.4 player. He was a 5th round pick for a reason and was benched because of his poor play in previous seasons.

He also isnt the leader on the field that James is and is more low key by nature. Its not easy to compare college performance to pro players but James is the superior athlete, has better intangibles, has the higher ceiling, and we will have to agree to disagree on who’s a better blitzer.

The Bears are paying a ton to CB’s the next couple seasons so no reason to draft and pay a first round CB over a player that can start day one at SS or even as LB in the same position Jerrell Freeman (also a SS in college) played.

I didn't say we draft a corner, corner was literally my last pick at 8. Prince is injured or takes time off every season we don't have a player who can play outside except the most Special person CB I've ever seen and honestly don't remember him being so fucking pathetic with the Cardinals marcus Cooper, who literally makes me sick to my stomach. I'd love to draft edmund or Davenport in a trade back realistically, chubbs is my #1 still. I'd pick guard or CB round 2 maybe OLB but i don't see any falling worth the 39th spot maybe a trade back and pickup Lorenzo Carter or rashaan evans drops to 39.

 

[Xplosive]

I didn't say we draft a corner, corner was literally my last pick at 8. Prince is injured or takes time off every season we don't have a player who can play outside except the most Special person CB I've ever seen and honestly don't remember him being so fucking pathetic with the Cardinals marcus Cooper, who literally makes me sick to my stomach. I'd love to draft edmund or Davenport in a trade back realistically, chubbs is my #1 still. I'd pick guard or CB round 2 maybe OLB but i don't see any falling worth the 39th spot maybe a trade back and pickup Lorenzo Carter or rashaan evans drops to 39.

OLB, DE, ILB, OG are the obvious needs at #8 and I consider James an option for ILB in much the same way many consider Edmunds an option for OLB.

Fitz and his 14 Reps however isnt a LB but a FS/NB, many are saying take him at #8 and play him at CB which I dont think makes sense based on how much is already invested in Prince/Fuller.

Someone has to sit on the Bench for either Fitz or James to start, so do you bench Kwiatkoski, Amukara, EJax, or Amos??

I say Kwiatkoski sits and James starts, he is a natural leader (like Freeman was), strong tackler, good in pass coverage, and if either Amos/EJax goes down he can step right in.

 

[SugarWalls]

Funny you tell me to get off the tirade and then agree with me.
Yes any position can bust so digging up players that busted 30 years ago is meaningless idiocy.

Luke Joekel. Drafted #2 overall in 2013, stunk it up, didn’t get his 5th round option picked up. BUST.

 

[Xplosive]

Excellent video on James I found

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xGJgr3J7750&feature=youtu.be

 

[TL1961]

We also have adrian amos does everything derwin james does. So the positional ranking is OLB ILB guard or CB in that order imo with the highest graded player plus or minus margin of error and positional ranking coming into play leaves us with chubb edmund Nelson Davenport ward imo that's my order of who we might select at 8.

Derwin James will be 5 times the safety Amos is.

 

[Myk]

Not at all what I said


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I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Every other time I've seen age 19 and upside it was about him learning to meet that upside not about getting an extra year or two at the end of his career.

 

[TL1961]

OLB, DE, ILB, OG are the obvious needs at #8 and I consider James an option for ILB in much the same way many consider Edmunds an option for OLB.

Fitz and his 14 Reps however isnt a LB but a FS/NB, many are saying take him at #8 and play him at CB which I dont think makes sense based on how much is already invested in Prince/Fuller.

Someone has to sit on the Bench for either Fitz or James to start, so do you bench Kwiatkoski, Amukara, EJax, or Amos??

I say Kwiatkoski sits and James starts, he is a natural leader (like Freeman was), strong tackler, good in pass coverage, and if either Amos/EJax goes down he can step right in.

I don't care how much we have tied up in Prince. We need depth, lots of guys for nickel, and someone who can actually get INT's. In a division with Rodgers, Stafford and I guess I should add Cousins....we need lots of good DB's.

 

[Myk]

Luke Joekel. Drafted #2 overall in 2013, stunk it up, didn’t get his 5th round option picked up. BUST.

Vernon Gholston drafted #6 as a rushing LB. Never got a sack, out of the NFL in 3 years. ZOMG!!!11 We should never draft a rusher in the 1st.
Basically we need to trade every pick down the the 7th because every position has early 1st round busts.

If someone else busting is all you got you got nothing.

 

[playthrough2001]

Derwin James will be 5 times the safety Amos is.

The physical freaks at the top of this draft are Edmunds, James, Davenport and Nelson. They all fit the mold of a Pace 1st round pick although the Saints never prioritized Guards early.

 

[wazzupi]

Derwin James will be 5 times the safety Amos is.

Safety is the last of the bears concerns. Be gone thot !

 

[Runruffshod75]

He'd make for a nice first pick at #8. I'd love to have Davenport in Chicago. I'd be tickled shitless if the Bears were able to trade back a few spots & still get Davenport.

 

[wazzupi]

Its literally like no one understands how the bears defense works. Derwin James isn't going to be a NB or LB he will play SS where he will be asked to do other duties because of his versatility. Minkah could literally line up at FS NB or CB because he has all the traits to meet such positions derwin james is 215 6'2 he isn't a linebacker and never will line up at linebacker he will be a safety who will move up from his SS position and play close to the line. We don't run the Cardinals defense in chicago.

 

[rawdawg]

Its literally like no one understands how the bears defense works. Derwin James isn't going to be a NB or LB he will play SS where he will be asked to do other duties because of his versatility. Minkah could literally line up at FS NB or CB because he has all the traits to meet such positions derwin james is 215 6'2 he isn't a linebacker and never will line up at linebacker he will be a safety who will move up from his SS position and play close to the line. We don't run the Cardinals defense in chicago.

Deone Bucannon- 6'1, 216lbs, lines up at LB for Arizona
Mark Barron 6'1", 213lbs, lines up at LB for the Rams
Telvin Smith,- 6'3", 218lbs lines up at LB for Jacksonville

That being said, I agree that it's not at all likely that the Bears would put James at LB in the base defense.

 

[SugarWalls]

Vernon Gholston drafted #6 as a rushing LB. Never got a sack, out of the NFL in 3 years. ZOMG!!!11 We should never draft a rusher in the 1st.
Basically we need to trade every pick down the the 7th because every position has early 1st round busts.

If someone else busting is all you got you got nothing.

Of course I’m not suggesting any of what you said. I’m merely countering your point and the CCS consensus that Nelson is a future HOFer and perennial pro bowler. Anyone can bust.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Nelson, Smith, McGlinchey are my top 3 for Da Bears assuming Chubb and Barkley gone. Fitzpatrick is next on the list


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McGlinchey is projected mid to late 1st rnd. Not worthy of #8.

 

[Leon Sandcastle]

McGlinchey is projected mid to late 1st rnd. Not worthy of #8.

I'm not a McGlinchey fan but i wouldn't doubt that some GM's "project" him higher then that. These projections don't mean jack, every year players get picked higher or lower than there projections.

 

[wazzupi]

Deone Bucannon- 6'1, 216lbs, lines up at LB for Arizona
Mark Barron 6'1", 213lbs, lines up at LB for the Rams
Telvin Smith,- 6'3", 218lbs lines up at LB for Jacksonville

That being said, I agree that it's not at all likely that the Bears would put James at LB in the base defense.

Im glad you posted that but has nothing to do what i said relating to the bears but im pretty sure telvin smith is up to a linebacker weight and Mark barron apparently weights 225 which is considered LB weight. Leaving only deon bucannon quite frankly i don't care for the way they play defense in Arizona.
Ps deon buccanon shouldn't be what you want from a player like James.

 

[Xplosive]

Im glad you posted that but has nothing to do what i said relating to the bears but im pretty sure telvin smith is up to a linebacker weight and Mark barron apparently weights 225 which is considered LB weight. Leaving only deon bucannon quite frankly i don't care for the way they play defense in Arizona.
Ps deon buccanon shouldn't be what you want from a player like James.

So 10lbs is all that separates James from being a LB by that standard. If Tariq Cohen can find a way to put on 10lbs, and Floyd can put on 15lbs, I think James can do the same.

Jerrell Freeman was also a 5’11 218lb SS too, so maybe a few PED’s are all thats needed. But seriously how about you recognize the league is evolving a bit and having players like James is what more and more teams will be looking for. If he is strong enough (21 Reps) and tackles well (84 TKL) who cares how much he weighs?

 

[Myk]

Of course I’m not suggesting any of what you said. I’m merely countering your point and the CCS consensus that Nelson is a future HOFer and perennial pro bowler. Anyone can bust.

I don't know that anyone on CCS is saying he IS a future HOF. He's projected to be that good by the pros. If he doesn't make it that far he should still be good.
I think he will be talented enough to not be a bust and may be great is about as far as I go. That is because he is already great at the college level.

I think that is more valuable than players with problems at the college level who we need to draft based on potential.

There are a lot of reasons for players to bust. Davenport may not be able to transition from small school to NFL. Edmunds might bust because he's a 19 year old handed a crap ton of money. Nelson could break his ankle in the preseason. You just never know.