Trade Boozer and Noah, Please

[clonetrooper264]

Yeah, I knew what the attraction to Hawes was. He was a low post scorer in college (I think he only played 1 year though). I didnt think what he showed in college was good enough to translate into an NBA game. He definitely wasn't going to be a dominant scorer in the paint, at best I thought he'd be what he's doing now 10 ppg and 8-10 rpg. Which is essentially what Noah was doing prior to this season.

I also knew the Bulls would never take Hawes based on how they were drafting at the time. Paxson wanted proven winners on his team and Noah was the guy Paxson had a hardon for for the longest time. The fact he won a championship back to back made Paxson more in love. Paxson I'm sure thought he was getting a steal at #9, since Noah was projected Top 3 in 2006.

Tbh I would've taken him over Tyrus in 06. I thought he'd be a Ben Wallace for us with a little bit more scoring. Last season I thought he was on that path...

There's this thing about guys starting to suck once they get paid here. Hinrich, Deng, Chandler, I think Eddy Curry as well (though he always wasn't that great) are the ones that come to mind. Heck Ben Wallace I guess as well. It's like they mentally check out...

 

[FirstTimer]

Yeah, I knew what the attraction to Hawes was. He was a low post scorer in college (I think he only played 1 year though). I didnt think what he showed in college was good enough to translate into an NBA game. He definitely wasn't going to be a dominant scorer in the paint, at best I thought he'd be what he's doing now 10 ppg and 8-10 rpg. Which is essentially what Noah was doing prior to this season.

Yeah but I think the raw production kind of loses teh stretegy of the move. You want an offensive guy that can space the floor if you already have guyslike Wallace and Tyrus so while 10 and 10 may not look amazing on paper for Hawes from a stretgy stand point it would be much preferred...especially given the sunk cost of Boozer and Noah at this point.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I wanted Hawes only because we already had 1 million defensive post players on the roster and needed scoring.

Skiles was like Thibs lite anyway. He always liked good defense over mediocre offense. But that offensive ability is what attracted me to Hawes as well. Only thing he's shown thus far in the league has been a midrange jumpshot. Big whoop.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I wanted Hawes only because we already had 1 million defensive post players on the roster and needed scoring.

ironically the Noah selection help force us to sign Boozer. As a result of Noah being a defensive minded center we were starved for psot scoring and ended up throwing bad paper at Boozer.

Yeah!

He doesn't deserve to be called Boozer anymore.
His name is Carlos Loozer

 

[Crystallas]

I wanted David Lee, I did not want Booz. Save 2-3 mil a year, we could have retained Kurt Thomas.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

CARLOS LOOZER

 

[Uman85]

This team will not win a championship with Noah and Boozer. I can say that with almost no doubt.

Not even Michael Jordan's "Secret Stuff" from Space Jam can help Carlos and Joakim.

 

[nwfisch]

At this point, there's not anything the Bulls can do. We don't have three guys who can take over like Miami does.

Hopefully some team will pay a pretty penny for Boozer if/when he's amnestied.

All the Bulls can do now is hope Miami forgets how to play basketball in the playoffs.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

This team will not win a championship with Noah and Boozer. I can say that with almost no doubt.

Not even Michael Jordan's "Secret Stuff" from Space Jam can help Carlos and Joakim.

I agree with you about C.Loozer 100% and I've felt this way since we first signed him.

As upset as I am with Noah, I havnt totally given up on him just yet.
Before Boozer arrived here, Noah showed us what he's capable of and was starting to come into his own.
It wasn't until Boozer showed up that Noahs game began to take a turn downward.
As I watch this team, it appears to. Me that Boozer gets in Noahs way. And you can see the look of frusturation on his face with Boozer, but he never speaks about it..
I believe if we can get C.Loozer to jump in his BoozerCruizer and drive the **** out of town, then I think Noah will go back to his old hungry hard working self..Noah is not himself, but Boozer is just like he always has been,(an underachiever).......
If you had to choose between Boozer and Noah, its a no brainer.
Although a lot of Noahs lackluster play is his own fault, most of it is mental...And Its obvious that Boozer messes Noahs game up...Noah has seemed to lost his place as Boozer gets in his way doing the job Noah was doing before he boozer showed up.........

 

[Uman85]

CARLOS LOOZER

LMAO

 

[Scoot26]

Tbh I would've taken him over Tyrus in 06. I thought he'd be a Ben Wallace for us with a little bit more scoring. Last season I thought he was on that path...

There's this thing about guys starting to suck once they get paid here. Hinrich, Deng, Chandler, I think Eddy Curry as well (though he always wasn't that great) are the ones that come to mind. Heck Ben Wallace I guess as well. It's like they mentally check out...

Thing is if we draft Noah in 2006 instead of 2007, do we even bother signing Ben Wallace then?

Wallace was on his last legs entering 2006. Detroit was expected to keep him, but Reinsdorf gave Paxson the green light to give Wallace as much money as possible to take him away from Detroit. It was a good chess match move, but a terrible financial move by the Bulls. The Pistons still made the ECF twice more while the Bulls went somewhat forward before crashing and burning in 07-08. That of course led us to D-Rose though, so I can't complain too much I guess.

As far as Curry, Curry was never paid by the Bulls and his first season in New York was his best season in his career. Weight issues, injuries, and personal problems have ruined Curry's career, not that he would have ever been anything more than an first half player who is dead tired by the end of the game.

Chandler's problem was, he got paid and lost his offensive anchor in the post and his veteran help in Antonio Davis. Chandler was then asked to be everything in the middle and Skiles berated him all season and that essentially ruined any confidence Chandler had.

Hinrich had a bit of a drop-off, but it was never that serious. Hinrich should have never been paid like he was in the first place, because Hinrich doesn't have a true position in the NBA. He's a hybrid guard, which is best suited as a 6th man.

Deng, I can't explain Deng other than he was also asked to be much more than he should be on a team in 2007-08. Perhaps it really is just mental in Deng's case, much like it may be Noah's.

 

[Scoot26]

Skiles was like Thibs lite anyway. He always liked good defense over mediocre offense. But that offensive ability is what attracted me to Hawes as well. Only thing he's shown thus far in the league has been a midrange jumpshot. Big whoop.

I've rarely seen anything of Hawes, therefore I don't know what kind of game he plays. Can he even play the post in the NBA? Or is he like LaMarcus Aldridge and just has a midrange game and mostly stays away from the paint on offense?

 

[Uman85]

I've rarely seen anything of Hawes, therefore I don't know what kind of game he plays. Can he even play the post in the NBA? Or is he like LaMarcus Aldridge and just has a midrange game and mostly stays away from the paint on offense?

Between the two, he's more like Aldridge from what I've seen. But that's just a small sample size.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

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[scottiepippen1994]

Here is one of the many many warning signs that was right before PaxGars face before they signed him.

I mean gawwwdayammm!!! What kind of stroker talks on a cell phone in the middle of a game?
Carlos Loozer, dats who.......A jagoff that could care less if he wins or looses, as long as the money bin is full at home to dive in like Uncle Scrooge...

 

[Derkach77]

I find it funny how only a few people are really hating on Boozer and Noah. Boozer has actually had a pretty fine year so far. Also people need to realize their is no offenseive plays designed for him as there was in Utah. All they do is give it to him in the post when already guarded and hes forced to take a jumper which has been pretty good this year. There are no pick and rolls, and very few pick and pops. Boozer in Utah was involved so much. But all you should want is a double double from him and he will be doing that for most of the year. Sitting him out for the 4th quarter will also kill his stats so i dont get the people who try and say his stats are shit when they really aren't. Noah has been more disappointing to me more than Booz. Noah has done a bit better lately, and I just wonder if Noah is hurting Boozer. Boozer isn't a 20 and 10 guy very few PF's are hes more of a 18 and 10 guy which to me is fantastic (Taj wouldn't avg that btw). Noah has looked better though and is giving more effort which is good. Him and Boozer finished out the 4th just recently and did fine. And Lucas running the point is atrocious to watch.

 

[Cloud 9]

I've rarely seen anything of Hawes, therefore I don't know what kind of game he plays. Can he even play the post in the NBA? Or is he like LaMarcus Aldridge and just has a midrange game and mostly stays away from the paint on offense?

Yeah Hawes has a good shot for a big man. He can hit from mid-range as well as beyond the arch, but his production from downtown has seen quite a drop over the past few years, It was more so in the earlier part of his career with the Kings that they'd let him jack up the 3. He has a good enough post up game to get him by, but it's not his strength or anything. He possesses good length so he's an effective shot blocker as well.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

I find it funny how only a few people are really hating on Boozer and Noah. Boozer has actually had a pretty fine year so far. Also people need to realize their is no offenseive plays designed for him as there was in Utah. All they do is give it to him in the post when already guarded and hes forced to take a jumper which has been pretty good this year. There are no pick and rolls, and very few pick and pops. Boozer in Utah was involved so much. But all you should want is a double double from him and he will be doing that for most of the year. Sitting him out for the 4th quarter will also kill his stats so i dont get the people who try and say his stats are shit when they really aren't. Noah has been more disappointing to me more than Booz. Noah has done a bit better lately, and I just wonder if Noah is hurting Boozer. Boozer isn't a 20 and 10 guy very few PF's are hes more of a 18 and 10 guy which to me is fantastic (Taj wouldn't avg that btw). Noah has looked better though and is giving more effort which is good. Him and Boozer finished out the 4th just recently and did fine. And Lucas running the point is atrocious to watch.

The emperor ordered me to let the hate flow threw me and my journey toward the darkside will be complete.
I don't hate Noah.
Just Carlos Loozer..And Noah told me he feels the same way

But your right, John Lucas was sickning to watch today...So much for the "here's johnny" thing. :dunno:

 

[Axl Rose]

i still remember boozers bum ass missin that game winning put back at duke

anyway were stuck with these guys until there contracts are up so lets hope for the best boozer needs to step his consistency up and noah needs to show up

 

[RC_Skinny22]

To me it looks like Noah is ineffective because of Boozer.

I think to notice that he is really pissed by this guy defensively. 1st. because he doesn´t play D and 2. because he grabs the rebounds, which Jo already has in his hands.

Boozer is a stat whore and he is the only guy in this team to think that way! Not positive for the TEAM!