Trade deadline banter

[CSF77]

I kinda put Edwards , Rondon and Strop in the same boat. All have plus stuff but all can put out a turd that implodes.

They really need a guy with strong command in the set up. It is really not about stuff vs keeping in control of the strike zone and being able to just get outs.

High leverage guys are necessary when a inning gets out of control and you are forced into getting strike outs. So yes there is a place for a high leverage arm. It if for those exciting moments.

But to have a healthy pen you need boring guys that just get outs.

 

[beckdawg]

You don't hang your hat on a AAA guy.

Of course not. You hang it on Davis, Montgomery, Strop, Koji and Edwards. Hell you might even throw Duensing in that list. Like I said if a decent trade presents itself that's fine but targeting a big time reliever because you have a terrible 8th guy in your BP is over kill. I honestly think if they are going to target someone it will be similar to the Rodney deal in 2015. That is to say someone who's dynamite against one split and who's cheap. They don't need another Davis back there. They need a guy who can get out of jams the starters get into and who can pass the baton to the more established guys in the 7th-9th.

 

[chibears55]

For what it worth...
Heard Cubs had scouts watching Darvish yesterday and Rangers had scouts watching Iowa play....

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[CSF77]

For what it worth...
Heard Cubs had scouts watching Darvish yesterday and Rangers had scouts watching Iowa play....

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I don't think it is the right move. That move DFA's Lackey. Add to it it is for a rental. Not really a message you want to hear right after the whole Lackey is a part of this spill

 

[beckdawg]

For what it worth...
Heard Cubs had scouts watching Darvish yesterday and Rangers had scouts watching Iowa play....

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I see the cubs as the backup plan for the rangers assuming they actually want to trade Darvish. The cubs will always be a floor of prospects they could get for Darvish but I imagine someone else will be willing to give up more

 

[CSF77]

Of course not. You hang it on Davis, Montgomery, Strop, Koji and Edwards. Hell you might even throw Duensing in that list. Like I said if a decent trade presents itself that's fine but targeting a big time reliever because you have a terrible 8th guy in your BP is over kill. I honestly think if they are going to target someone it will be similar to the Rodney deal in 2015. That is to say someone who's dynamite against one split and who's cheap. They don't need another Davis back there. They need a guy who can get out of jams the starters get into and who can pass the baton to the more established guys in the 7th-9th.

I'm fine with Duensing in the 8th honestly. Makes more sense than anything else. But again another pending FA. Eventually they have to address this vs looking for SP

 

[beckdawg]

I'm fine with Duensing in the 8th honestly. Makes more sense than anything else. But again another pending FA. Eventually they have to address this vs looking for SP

You don't have to address 2018 bullpen at the 2017 trade deadline. Like I said, if the right trade presents itself then sure go for it. For example, supposedly the Blue Jays were also scouting the cubs. They seem pretty obviously to be rebuilding and if they were willing to deal Roberto Osuna then sure I could see them paying a bit more to get him under control for awhile. But I have a feeling his cost will be pretty damn expensive. Ultimately it's not sexy to just go out and rent a BP arm in FA for a year but it's often effective. Koji and Duensing have shown this.

 

[chibears55]

Rangers-Darvish
Padres - Hand
BlueJays- Stroman

All 3 teams had scouts at Principal Park watching the Iowa Cubs yesterday...

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[beckdawg]

Rangers-Darvish
Padres - Hand
BlueJays- Stroman

All 3 teams had scouts at Principal Park watching the Iowa Cubs yesterday...

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Re: rangers

I think Jonathan Lucroy makes far more sense than Darvish as to why the Rangers were scouting the cubs. He's also a FA after this year and while he's having a down year, he would give the cubs some experience that you probably would rather have than Caratini at this point. Plus he could be a pretty big return if he gets going in the second half and I'm not sure he'd cost all that much right now.

Darvish just seems far to expensive for the cubs.

 

[CSF77]

Re: rangers

I think Jonathan Lucroy makes far more sense than Darvish as to why the Rangers were scouting the cubs. He's also a FA after this year and while he's having a down year, he would give the cubs some experience that you probably would rather have than Caratini at this point. Plus he could be a pretty big return if he gets going in the second half and I'm not sure he'd cost all that much right now.

Darvish just seems far to expensive for the cubs.

They could just be data mining for his F/A market

 

[CSF77]

Rangers-Darvish
Padres - Hand
BlueJays- Stroman

All 3 teams had scouts at Principal Park watching the Iowa Cubs yesterday...

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most likely watching Wilmer Font Dominate. Dodgers are also a buyer

 

[chibears55]

Re: rangers

I think Jonathan Lucroy makes far more sense than Darvish as to why the Rangers were scouting the cubs. He's also a FA after this year and while he's having a down year, he would give the cubs some experience that you probably would rather have than Caratini at this point. Plus he could be a pretty big return if he gets going in the second half and I'm not sure he'd cost all that much right now.

Darvish just seems far to expensive for the cubs.

That true..
I didn't think about LuCroy and that would make more sense.

Darvish could be someone they could pursue as a FA in off season

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[Diehardfan]

Re: rangers

I think Jonathan Lucroy makes far more sense than Darvish as to why the Rangers were scouting the cubs. He's also a FA after this year and while he's having a down year, he would give the cubs some experience that you probably would rather have than Caratini at this point. Plus he could be a pretty big return if he gets going in the second half and I'm not sure he'd cost all that much right now.

Darvish just seems far to expensive for the cubs.

Agreed. I'd much rather have them go after Lucroy before Contreras gets run into the ground with all the games he's playing. Besides, Darvish is 31....he'll be 36 at the tail end of a 5 year deal for huge money should the Cubs sign him, that and the fact that he will cost some pieces off the ML roster. Nice pitcher....just not a good fit.

 

[TL1961]

Darvish, like Chapman, will get traded and then sign back with team that traded him

Doesn't mean he couldn't be a real nice pickup at the right price. But unlikely to be a Cub in 2018 for many reasons.

 

[CSF77]

CHICAGO -- Kyle Hendricks, who has been on the disabled list since June 5, will return to the Cubs' rotation on Monday and open a home-and-home Interleague series against the crosstown White Sox.

Hendricks, sidelined with inflammation in his right hand, will open the four-game series at Wrigley Field and be followed by John Lackey on Tuesday. When the series shifts to Guaranteed Rate Field, Jake Arrieta will start on Wednesday and Jon Lester on Thursday.
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Hendricks, who led the Major Leagues with a 2.13 ERA last year, has not pitched since June 4, when he went four innings against the Cardinals. With Hendricks' return, left-hander Mike Montgomery now goes to the bullpen.

 

[CSF77]

The impending returns of McHugh and Keuchel don’t mean the Astros are out of the market for rotation help, however. Jon Morosi of MLB Network tweets that the team watched Rangers star Yu Darvish pitch yesterday. The team is keeping tabs on all significant potential rotation additions, Morosi adds. Darvish has lately been connected to a variety of teams, including the Dodgers and Cubs.
Speaking of Darvish, the Rangers have recently been scouting the Dodgers’ and Cubs’ Triple-A teams, Evan Grant of SportsDay writes. Of course, teams frequently scout one another’s affiliates for any number of reasons, but right now, the Rangers’ interest in the Dodgers’ and Cubs’ minor-leaguers could set the groundwork for a trade. Grant adds, though, that the Cubs might be more interested in catcher Jonathan Lucroy than in Darvish. (The 31-year-old Lucroy is in the midst of a down season in Texas, with a .248/.297/.351 line so far; he’s eligible for free agency after the season. He would complement Willson Contreras behind the plate if the Rangers were to trade him to Chicago.) Grant also notes that rival clubs didn’t scout Darvish’s own start particularly heavily last night, perhaps because the 46-50 Rangers are still on the fringes of contention. It’s still not yet entirely clear what their approach to the deadline will be.

 

[DanTown]

There's a part of me that hopes the 2019 lineup is something like

2B Happ
RF Harper
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Contreras
LF Schwarber
SS Russell
CF Heyward/Almora
Utl - Baez, Zobrist

I know Harper costs a ton of money but you put him there, then move him to 1B in 3-5 years

 

[chibears55]

There's a part of me that hopes the 2019 lineup is something like

2B Happ
RF Harper
3B Bryant
1B Rizzo
C Contreras
LF Schwarber
SS Russell
CF Heyward/Almora
Utl - Baez, Zobrist

I know Harper costs a ton of money but you put him there, then move him to 1B in 3-5 years

Eventually Baez Schwarber Happ or Russell will be traded to open up a position for the others..

Baez too young and talented to be tied down as a UI, he going to play everyday for someone.

Love to see Harper come here..
Epstein has to make sure any deals between now n then aren't crazy .

Why it would be great to be able to have a couple stud cost controlled SP like Quintana under their belt..


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[TL1961]

Rangers-Darvish
Padres - Hand
BlueJays- Stroman

All 3 teams had scouts at Principal Park watching the Iowa Cubs yesterday...

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Who is at Iowa worth scouting other than Candelario?

 

[beckdawg]

Who is at Iowa worth scouting other than Candelario?

Zagunis, Young, Tseng, Maples, Johnson and Hannemann come to mind.