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Think we all know that a Top 6 LW is the main priority for the Hawks at the deadline this year, although I certainly wouldn't complain if they added another quality D-men to help solidify that part of the team.

There figures to be plenty of rumors swirling around for the next week or two, so if you see 'em, post 'em.
 
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Blackhawks 'very aggressively' looking to add top-line left winger

McKenzie suggests several players who haven't yet been made available, including Andrew Ladd of the Winnipeg Jets, Arizona Coyotes forward Mikkel Boedker, Loui Eriksson of the Boston Bruins, and "perhaps" Carolina Hurricanes captain Eric Staal.

Doesn't seem like any of these names are specific rumors, just a lot of players that would be the correct piece the the Hawks' puzzle.
 

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Ladd please

Agreed. His cap number is not so bad, and I would think a player that already knows the system would be of highest value, knows some guys would slip in seamlessly.

Anything that shifts Shaw down to the energy spark on the shut down D line with Kruger makes two lines better.

I am seriously thinking that anything not involving somebody taking on Bigfoot cap though hamstrings us given Panarin impending bonuses.

Bowman isn't going to want to deal with Bigfoot AND a 2.5 million penalty next year on the cap. That means no Kruger, no Shaw, and no 1LW until 2018. Maybe no Hammer.


He is going to need that 2.5 to sign Bread man.

This all makes me believe, unless Bickell or Shaw get moved, or we did something bold like move a top 3 defenseman and go with our deep core of youth blue liners, there may be no impending move at all. We stand pat, we circle the wagons, and we have the option of moving Bickell and Dano up to the club to provide a physical spark with some skill, hits, and hard area hockey.

Do we mortgage it all on 2016? Its tempting. Its justified.

But perhaps its Crawfords turn to win the cup with a team that doesn't deserve it. He is looking like that kind of goalie this year. We may not need nothing if he plays at his hot level. He has controlled rebounds better, his consistency, and though he hasn't gotten shutouts in a little bit, its a mid season lull and he has had many 1-2 goal games that were W's. Meanwhile, Darling never loses in Chicago.
 

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Agreed. His cap number is not so bad, and I would think a player that already knows the system would be of highest value, knows some guys would slip in seamlessly.

Anything that shifts Shaw down to the energy spark on the shut down D line with Kruger makes two lines better.

I am seriously thinking that anything not involving somebody taking on Bigfoot cap though hamstrings us given Panarin impending bonuses.

Bowman isn't going to want to deal with Bigfoot AND a 2.5 million penalty next year on the cap. That means no Kruger, no Shaw, and no 1LW until 2018. Maybe no Hammer.


He is going to need that 2.5 to sign Bread man.

This all makes me believe, unless Bickell or Shaw get moved, or we did something bold like move a top 3 defenseman and go with our deep core of youth blue liners, there may be no impending move at all. We stand pat, we circle the wagons, and we have the option of moving Bickell and Dano up to the club to provide a physical spark with some skill, hits, and hard area hockey.

Do we mortgage it all on 2016? Its tempting. Its justified.

But perhaps its Crawfords turn to win the cup with a team that doesn't deserve it. He is looking like that kind of goalie this year. We may not need nothing if he plays at his hot level. He has controlled rebounds better, his consistency, and though he hasn't gotten shutouts in a little bit, its a mid season lull and he has had many 1-2 goal games that were W's. Meanwhile, Darling never loses in Chicago.
Did you watch 2013? Crawford should have won the Smythe.

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I think that offer is us. We have the least to lose, and a huge need. We recently lost a first round pick scared to even compete in our system. Fucking Kevin Hayes would be starting right now and this should be moot. Pussy.

I just wonder what the price is to take Bickells salary back. We get Ladd. You get Bickell. And a first. And a top prospect. And we have to throw in one of Gus, TVR, or Svedberg.

Also, you get all that, and you know we can't afford to sign him, lol, so you stay in the free agency hunt similar to Vermette going home. The Jets could get a ransom and the player back most likely with us.

Who would the prospect be though? Radke? Pokka? Rasmussen? Dano?

For me, the price is only worth it if it moves Bickell. Removing that salary is the single most important factor for this franchise going forward. IMO the farm is absolutely stacked and we can fill holes with the farm for years, we need that money to retain our own.
 

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Dale Tallon and Florida would make more sense to be offering a deal like that to Ladd.

What isn't talked of much is he may have a ntc and can deny some teams which could limit offers. Seemingly he'd want to go where he thinks he will have the best shot to win since it's a likely rental move at any spot

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Right now we need to trade for an entire top line.... lol our top line yesterday was Shaw - Toews - Panik.... two bottom 6 guys playing with a Toews who has struggled all year.
 

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http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2016/02/21...t-for-andrew-ladd/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

Supposedly a 1st rounder + prospect has been offered for Ladd from a mystery team. Likely setting the bar for the cost of Ladd.
I would do that assuming a couple of things, 1.) it's going to be a low first rounder anyway so fine whatever. 2.) depends on the level of the prospect. 3.) Assurances of signing him for longer. Or them keeping a part of the cap hit. Still not entirely sure of the rules around this though.
 

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And because this place is no fun anymore, i'm posting this because we can't have rumors without idiots.

Maybe the timing of yesterday’s nationally televised trainwreck was just the motivation the Hawk front office needed to get some deals done sooner this week rather than later.

At least that’s what I heard late last night.

I didn’t hear a lot of specifics, which I have been told I will receive today.

Real quickly, the focus remains Arizona winger Mikkel Boedker, who a separate source told me yesterday afternoon the Hawks are getting “closer” on. Andrew Ladd is the other top target.

My source last night was also very specific that the Hawks are NOT the team reported on NBC Sports as having offered a first round pick for Ladd.

I also heard yesterday that the LA Kings have made a “sizable” offer for Ladd, but that it is “complicated.”

I am hoping to have more later today.

I will update then.


JJ

Anyone got any E6's?
 

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So I'm trying to think of all the people/picks that Stan has aquired since the end of last season vs. what he had to give away. And I gotta say, I'm having a hard time balancing the bad with the good but I think I'm missing a lot.

Breadman, for sure his best offseason move
Anisimov has been a solid decision
Panik? Meh, I don't even remember how he got here. Morin right?

Who else? Dano and Kero maybe still a work in progress?

Daley was a bomb.
Scud was a bomb
Viktor Tikhonov BOMBTASTIC
Sekac is a meh...
Garbutt Gar gone
Can we count Runbad too... didn't he get resigned?
What am I missing. I know there were other pieces to the Saad and Sharp deals. And didn't he waive someone else?

I feel like he's had a very bad balance sheet this season and is just throwing as much stuff to the wall to see what sticks.


Let me put it this way.

Acquired D Trevor Daley and F Ryan Garbutt from the Dallas Stars for F Patrick Sharp and D Stephen Johns.

Daley became Scud, became release.

Garbutt became Sekac... we basically got Sekac for Sharp and Johns. Great salary dump? Shit... that's deal is as bad for us as the original Sharp fleecing by us from Philly.
 

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And because this place is no fun anymore, i'm posting this because we can't have rumors without idiots.



Anyone got any E6's?

It wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks shellacking yesterday spurs the front office to make some moves.

Also ready for them to get bag skated on Tuesday, considering they don't play again until Thursday.
 

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So I'm trying to think of all the people/picks that Stan has aquired since the end of last season vs. what he had to give away. And I gotta say, I'm having a hard time balancing the bad with the good but I think I'm missing a lot.

Breadman, for sure his best offseason move
Anisimov has been a solid decision
Panik? Meh, I don't even remember how he got here. Morin right?

Who else? Dano and Kero maybe still a work in progress?

Daley was a bomb.
Scud was a bomb
Viktor Tikhonov BOMBTASTIC
Sekac is a meh...
Garbutt Gar gone
Can we count Runbad too... didn't he get resigned?
What am I missing. I know there were other pieces to the Saad and Sharp deals. And didn't he waive someone else?

I feel like he's had a very bad balance sheet this season and is just throwing as much stuff to the wall to see what sticks.


Let me put it this way.

Acquired D Trevor Daley and F Ryan Garbutt from the Dallas Stars for F Patrick Sharp and D Stephen Johns.

Daley became Scud, became release.

Garbutt became Sekac... we basically got Sekac for Sharp and Johns. Great salary dump? Shit... that's deal is as bad for us as the original Sharp fleecing by us from Philly.

It's so weird that Bowman flipped Saad so quickly for a pretty good return, yet he had an entire offseason to move Sharp and the return was, so far, pretty much nothing. Obviously Saad has far more value than Sharp because of his age, but it's not like Sharp was some fourth-line grinder in Chicago.
 

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So I'm trying to think of all the people/picks that Stan has aquired since the end of last season vs. what he had to give away. And I gotta say, I'm having a hard time balancing the bad with the good but I think I'm missing a lot.

Breadman, for sure his best offseason move
Anisimov has been a solid decision
Panik? Meh, I don't even remember how he got here. Morin right?

Who else? Dano and Kero maybe still a work in progress?

Daley was a bomb.
Scud was a bomb
Viktor Tikhonov BOMBTASTIC
Sekac is a meh...
Garbutt Gar gone
Can we count Runbad too... didn't he get resigned?
What am I missing. I know there were other pieces to the Saad and Sharp deals. And didn't he waive someone else?

I feel like he's had a very bad balance sheet this season and is just throwing as much stuff to the wall to see what sticks.


Let me put it this way.

Acquired D Trevor Daley and F Ryan Garbutt from the Dallas Stars for F Patrick Sharp and D Stephen Johns.

Daley became Scud, became release.

Garbutt became Sekac... we basically got Sekac for Sharp and Johns. Great salary dump? Shit... that's deal is as bad for us as the original Sharp fleecing by us from Philly.
Maybe as bad as if you looked it as steps removed. Ultimately though Sharp was a salary dump and it was nothing more. Even if Cakes is all we got back, It helps to remember that it was a salary dump.

I think that separates the Sharp/Ellison deal. It's not like Ellison was an Offense-only defenseman coming off a career offensive year that completely lost his O game with Philly, and it's not like Sharp was a scoring juggernaut coming off of a down year that had life rekindled by a change of scenery. It was depth for depth with one piece going out and another rising up.

I won't call the trade good, but it was needed.

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There are no rumors to report with this news, but LW Ilya Kovalchuk was dismissed from his KHL team this morning.

He's only 32 ... :thinking:
 

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It's so weird that Bowman flipped Saad so quickly for a pretty good return, yet he had an entire offseason to move Sharp and the return was, so far, pretty much nothing. Obviously Saad has far more value than Sharp because of his age, but it's not like Sharp was some fourth-line grinder in Chicago.
Yeah, no kidding, I know the cap number was supposed to be a problem but it's not like he was washed up. He already has more goals and points than last year. in 8 less games.
 

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