Trade Deadline Talk

[MassHavoc]

Maybe as bad as if you looked it as steps removed. Ultimately though Sharp was a salary dump and it was nothing more. Even if Cakes is all we got back, It helps to remember that it was a salary dump.

I think that separates the Sharp/Ellison deal. It's not like Ellison was an Offense-only defenseman coming off a career offensive year that completely lost his O game with Philly, and it's not like Sharp was a scoring juggernaut coming off of a down year that had life rekindled by a change of scenery. It was depth for depth with one piece going out and another rising up.

I won't call the trade good, but it was needed.

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Salary dump or not, he's still a good player, and as I just posted he wasn't washed up. We should have been able to get a serviceable piece out of him. It was a bad deal. Very bad deal. Especially to a rival, and the piece we took away they replaced with Oduya.

 

[MassHavoc]

There are no rumors to report with this news, but LW Ilya Kovalchuk was dismissed from his KHL team this morning.

He's only 32 ... :thinking:

He found out Jagr is his father and Dale is reuniting them. On the top line.

 

[Tater]

Let me put it this way.

Acquired D Trevor Daley and F Ryan Garbutt from the Dallas Stars for F Patrick Sharp and D Stephen Johns.

Daley became Scud, became release.

Garbutt became Sekac... we basically got Sekac for Sharp and Johns. Great salary dump? Shit... that's deal is as bad for us as the original Sharp fleecing by us from Philly.

I'd say it's worse, since he was traded to a division rival.

 

[Ares]

This is boring, when are we going to trade stuffs for peoples?

 

[MassHavoc]

This is boring, when are we going to trade stuffs for peoples?

No takers for a bag of pucks for a bag of dicks...

 

[Ares]

No takers for a bag of pucks for a bag of dicks...

we should throw Bigfoot in on this deal

 

[DMelt36]

Garbutt became Sekac... we basically got Sekac for Sharp and Johns. Great salary dump? Shit... that's deal is as bad for us as the original Sharp fleecing by us from Philly.

Let's get Garbutt back.

 

[Ares]

Let's get Garbutt back.

I would take dis Garbutt....

 

[Diehardfan]

So I'm trying to think of all the people/picks that Stan has aquired since the end of last season vs. what he had to give away. And I gotta say, I'm having a hard time balancing the bad with the good but I think I'm missing a lot.

Breadman, for sure his best offseason move
Anisimov has been a solid decision
Panik? Meh, I don't even remember how he got here. Morin right?

Who else? Dano and Kero maybe still a work in progress?

Daley was a bomb.
Scud was a bomb
Viktor Tikhonov BOMBTASTIC
Sekac is a meh...
Garbutt Gar gone
Can we count Runbad too... didn't he get resigned?
What am I missing. I know there were other pieces to the Saad and Sharp deals. And didn't he waive someone else?

I feel like he's had a very bad balance sheet this season and is just throwing as much stuff to the wall to see what sticks.


Let me put it this way.

Acquired D Trevor Daley and F Ryan Garbutt from the Dallas Stars for F Patrick Sharp and D Stephen Johns.

Daley became Scud, became release.

Garbutt became Sekac... we basically got Sekac for Sharp and Johns. Great salary dump? Shit... that's deal is as bad for us as the original Sharp fleecing by us from Philly.

Yep, not very good this time around. GM's probably a little wary dealing with Bowman these days. The big difference is that we got the best years of Sharp's career....10 of them I believe. Dallas got a good player but one that's slightly in decline and won't have him long.

 

[RacerX]

I think that offer is us. We have the least to lose, and a huge need. We recently lost a first round pick scared to even compete in our system. Fucking Kevin Hayes would be starting right now and this should be moot. Pussy.

I just wonder what the price is to take Bickells salary back. We get Ladd. You get Bickell. And a first. And a top prospect. And we have to throw in one of Gus, TVR, or Svedberg.

Also, you get all that, and you know we can't afford to sign him, lol, so you stay in the free agency hunt similar to Vermette going home. The Jets could get a ransom and the player back most likely with us.

Who would the prospect be though? Radke? Pokka? Rasmussen? Dano?

For me, the price is only worth it if it moves Bickell. Removing that salary is the single most important factor for this franchise going forward. IMO the farm is absolutely stacked and we can fill holes with the farm for years, we need that money to retain our own.

It was the Kings that offered a 1st and prospect for Ladd. As for your boy Bigfoot, one of two options - he heads to Toronto with a prospect in return for garbage or you will see him called up for the playoffs. If we can't reel in a 1LW, BB is going to be rolled out with #19 and #81 first line of first playoff game.

The trade chips most likely to depart are McNeil and Ras. I think Pokka is untouchable. Look for either TT or Dano to get shipped ONLY if the return is a non-rental top-6.

 

[Raskolnikov]

It was the Kings that offered a 1st and prospect for Ladd. As for your boy Bigfoot, one of two options - he heads to Toronto with a prospect in return for garbage or you will see him called up for the playoffs. If we can't reel in a 1LW, BB is going to be rolled out with #19 and #81 first line of first playoff game.

The trade chips most likely to depart are McNeil and Ras. I think Pokka is untouchable. Look for either TT or Dano to get shipped ONLY if the return is a non-rental top-6.

That's some good shit. Right on. Not sure Bickell used as a 1LW in any circumstance, but I won't be surprised to see him or Dano with the club.

 

[RacerX]

That's some good shit. Right on. Not sure Bickell used as a 1LW in any circumstance, but I won't be surprised to see him or Dano with the club.

Agreed, certainly not on a sustainable basis, but Q loves some size and i would be surprised if he didn't swap BB for Mashinter in the playoffs. If you recall, BB had two strong games when he was called up earlier after riding the bus for a few weeks, then he reverted to the Bigfoot that he is. We will probably see him hitting everything in site for 1-3 games then reverting to the mean.

In a few days i believe either Ladd or Hudler will be a Hawk, and also a new rental for the bottom D pairing.

I suspect Stan's/Q's top 2 targets are too costly to bring in: JVR & Boedeker.

Peace and cheers, Rask.

 

[DMelt36]

Darren Dreger reporting that Arizona backed off a previously tabled offer to extend Boedker, which further supports the likelihood that he will be traded.

So there's that. Boedker would definitely make sense for the Hawks.

 

[DMelt36]

Also ESPN writer Craig Custance said the Hawks are "working really hard right now to move Bryan Bickell's salary off of the books."

Link is here, but it's an ESPN Insider article

 

[ClydeLee]

Allegedly Bickell to Toronto is a deal since Toronto would be super open to adding more picks/prospects what it would take with Bicks and they certainly still need some body for next year either on the Leafs or the Marles since a ton of those Marlies this year will be on the NHL team next year.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Also ESPN writer Craig Custance said the Hawks are "working really hard right now to move Bryan Bickell's salary off of the books."

Link is here, but it's an ESPN Insider article

Copy and paste?

 

[DMelt36]

Here's all of the relevant Hawks stuff:

As of Monday evening, the Winnipeg Jets still weren’t actively shopping Andrew Ladd, which means that any reports of concrete offers on the table are still premature. That said, it won’t be long until that changes, and the Blackhawks are expected to be at the front of the line for him.

“Let’s face it. [GM Stan Bowman] did it last year. It worked. Ladd won a Cup with that team,” said one executive. “To me, it makes sense that it’s Chicago.”

The Blackhawks traded their first-rounder last year in the Antoine Vermette deal, and don’t have a second-round pick this year, so if they move a first, they won’t be drafting until Round 3.

Normally, a conservative course would be the right call. But the Blackhawks have a chance to move this group of players, coaches and management firmly into dynasty territory with another Stanley Cup. It’s no time to be timid.

Plus, the Blackhawks still have a lot of young talent in their system, a credit to strong drafting, development and management by Bowman.

“They’ve got plenty of prospects. It’s amazing,” said a Western Conference executive Monday. “What an unbelievable job they’ve done at replenishing.”

According to a source, the Blackhawks are working really hard to move Bryan Bickell's salary off the books, which could free them up to be even more aggressive at the deadline.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

If the Maple Leafs are that desperate for players, I'm not sure if Bickell would be someone they would want skating at any level, unless it came with cap retention. The Blackhawks are going to have to retain some of that hit, or the Leafs are desperate to hit the cap floor next year with all of the housecleaning that Bickell may fit as they basically crap away 2016-17 and build a bevy of draft picks, which with a competent GM, will be a windfall.

 

[mikita's helmet]

http://www.secondcityhockey.com/201...bryan-bickell-blackhawks-maple-leafs-deadline

The Leafs have the cap space to pay a player like Bickell anyway, so why not parlay that into adding some extra long-term pieces? Toronto should have no shortage of ways to spend over the next couple years, but this could be a way for the team to acquire additional assets while merely spending money during a time when winning doesn't matter much anyway. Essentially, Toronto would be "buying" assets.
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The framework of a logical deal appears to exist here. The Leafs have money to burn, the desire to acquire long-term assets and little concern about whether they'll win in the next year or two. The Hawks desperately want to clear cap space, have assets to offer and are largely focused on winning right now with a historically great core. Assuming the two sides can find the right match in terms of what Toronto gets for taking on Bickell's money, this could be just what the Hawks need to keep rearranging the pieces for a few more Stanley Cup runs. Chicago fans should might want to hold out some hope for this one, which if it goes down, could be a signal of an even larger deal before Feb. 29.

 

[Ares]

Do the Leafs want Mashinter and Scuderi and Rozival?