Trestman, like many teachers, is misunderstood

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[video=youtube;vstNm5xzuKM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vstNm5xzuKM[/video]

 

[Mitchapalooza]

Trestman, like many teachers, sucks at teaching

 

[Packer Fan]

Trestman, like many teachers, sucks at teaching

You're a good poster here 2Pac. You just have to come around to accepting Trestman.

That's not a quote but I think you said something similar to that once.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

You're a good poster here 2Pac. You just have to come around to accepting Trestman.

That's not a quote but I think you said something similar to that once.

I was wrong. and it wasn't the coming around to him, I think I just commented on your sheer hatred for him that you seem to not be able to let go of lol.

 

[Shepard]

Trestman isn't a teacher....he's the head coach of a professional football team.

He doesn't stress accountability at all and players have rolled their eyes to it.

He's lost the team and he isn't getting it back.

 

[Packer Fan]

I was wrong. and it wasn't the coming around to him, I think I just commented on your sheer hatred for him that you seem to not be able to let go of lol.

It really is a sheer hatred. I should be happy he's the Bears coach yet I hate him so much that I don't even want you guys to have to deal with his nonsense.

 

[Desperado34]

He coddles these guys and plays some dorky hunky dory crap about how growing the man football garbage is going to work.

I said it before. But his personality and leadership camp counselor yap isn't going to work with narcissistic alpha type a personalities.

 

[Nail Polish]

It really is a sheer hatred. I should be happy he's the Bears coach yet I hate him so much that I don't even want you guys to have to deal with his nonsense.

Man..I have to check in to the mental ward..Im agreeing with the enemy!

 

[WindyCity]

While I can appreciate your desire to romanticize this situation, I'd hope it is purely for a creative writing exercise.

There are plenty of models for winning out there, both short term and long. This one is certainly novel, but not winning.

Trestman might be a teacher, but he is no philosopher king. His book was inspiring, but the application of his coaching modality here has resulted in failure, one that is of historic proportions.


This is sports entertainment business, and what fans are getting from the bears right now is none of those three, unless you find making a mockery of the sport and the business entertaining.

I agree.

I love his coaching style and how he tries to connect with players, respect them, and help the develop.

But it didn't work. The players did not buy in, and they don't play for him.

I am as disappointed in the players as I am in Trestman.

 

[WindyCity]

I am a teacher.

If you don't have discipline and accountability you have nothing.

You can be the nicest person, try to create relationships with your students, and respect the hell out of them. But if they do not know you are in charge and you are not tough on them when you have to be, the nicest kid in the world will walk all over you.

You're not their friend, and I think this has hurt Trestman.

 

[Madden]

Speaking of 5 sec. Do we ever snap the ball with more than 5 sec left on the play clock so the D can Tee it up?

I can't stand when this happens.

"HURRY HURRY HURRY" .....followed by Cutler clapping like a maniac

How about you get the damn playcall in and get everyone to the line in time, so you can read the defense and make audibles if needed?
Notice how Peyton Manning always gets up there with plenty of time to make adjustments?
Maybe you should look into that, TRESTMAN AND CUTLER YOU TWATS

 

[WindyCity]

The NFL is also not a classroom where everyone gets points for trying and the expectations are not the same.

The NFL is about results.

If your style is not working then you had to adapt or die.

 

[shoopster]

Since Trestman has such - in his words - "compliant" players, who "do everything we ask of them," I'd say that, based on the piss-poor results, the man doing the asking is most certainly being misunderstood.

 

[theOHIOSTATE!]

Whatever, I am not interested in deconstructed Trestman. Honestly, I don't know what the issue is, but I don't think he connects with uber jock types, and that CAN BE a hindrance to coaching if you don't get immediate results.

The bigger issue is the offense. We invested immense resources in it, we resigned Cutler to a behemoth of a contract bc Trestman said he was worthy of it. Now here we are with players IN THEIR PRIMES and we suck on offense. We don't have time to be regressing.....Forte is 28, Marshall is 30....Cutler isn't young even for a QB.....the Center is on his last legs......and two other OLman aren't young...

We have to be winning now on offense, or this whole Trestman experiment is a boondoggle.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

While I can appreciate your desire to romanticize this situation, I'd hope it is purely for a creative writing exercise.

There are plenty of models for winning out there, both short term and long. This one is certainly novel, but not winning.

Trestman might be a teacher, but he is no philosopher king. His book was inspiring, but the application of his coaching modality here has resulted in failure, one that is of historic proportions.


This is sports entertainment business, and what fans are getting from the bears right now is none of those three, unless you find making a mockery of the sport and the business entertaining.

It has been rather entertaining in it's own way.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

The answer is upgrading the QB position, not canning the coach and bringing in yet another new coach and system expecting different results.

Depending on how the last few games turn out, I see Trestman being canned because Cutler is tied here and the Bears need a scapegoat.

If this happens, I truly hope that he was a terrible coach and never amounts to anything in the future.

One of the last "innovative" coaches that Chicago had who was canned for not having early success was Tony LaRussa who just went into his respective sport's Hall of Fame.

This would be a terrible pill to swallow with the Bears.

 

[mac bear]

A thread of 2000 word essays.

There were, and I thanked them, so many good, actually remotely well thought out replies to this thread.

And then there is this one.

This reply, however, is exactly what I was trying to 'discuss', not 'tweet'. Twitter is like little headlines written by randoms to the select 'class' that has an attention span of a goldfish.

This, actually isn't meant at you, Daa Bears, you just made a flippant comment, and I know, as I have read, that you care and do put your time into many, if not most of your posts. However, that comment does reach into what I was trying to say, amidst all my 3000 words. Hard to see without pictures, I know.

We live in a society that commends and applauds quick fixes, and yet in a world where that system doesn't really work. Cancer, wouldn't it be awesome to push a button and reset all the shit that leads to it? Ebola, snap... fixed. Next video. Global warming, fucking inconvenient, but I guess I'll buy a new coat.

That's what I'm saying. It's fucking ridiculous to imagine that it can all be fixed quickly. Even though, the game is in three hours and we'll need it fixed, or the coach and his family might be lynched. Figuratively, of course, cause, historically, none of that shit ever happened. It was just a video...

 

[mac bear]

Um you blame the "play calling" but 2 of the 3 examples you cite are due to QB issues not the play calls.

I'll say it again, I fail to see how Trestman's offensive system and play calls are to blame for Cutler choosing to throw a jump ball to a double covered WR or being indecisive with his reads and holding the ball to long and to low and getting stripped/sacked. Trestman's offense and play calls work just fine when they're being run correctly and the QB isn't making Special person decisions both at the line and during his reads.

I highly doubt Trestman is coaching Cutler to make these Special person decisions with the football and is probably just as pissed as any one of us when he is watching the film and see's how badly Cutler is butchering his offense. Unfortunately Clauson is worthless so it's not like he has any better options and with the money they're paying Cutler he's pretty much stuck riding him out until he either gets injured or they draft someone who's better and can beat him out.

Personally I think it's not only dumb but completely short sighted to throw Trestman under the bus for the failures of Jay Cutler this season and his inability to run the offense effectively. We FINALLY have a legit offensive mind in the building and people want to run him out the door already because they're impatient children that want instant gratification and refuse to place obvious execution issues at the feet of the players and instead want to scapegoat the coach as if swapping in a new coach will magically solve Jay Cutler's issues.

The answer is upgrading the QB position, not canning the coach and bringing in yet another new coach and system expecting different results. We've tried that with Cutler enough already. How many coaches do we need to sacrifice at the altar of Jay before we give it up and just admit he's not the answer. I was willing to give him this season as a last shot with a legit coach, and playmakers all around him but he's just not getting it done. Draft Hundley or whoever and I don't give a shit. Lovie was allowed to burn thru a billion different OC's and DC's so I don't see why Trestman can't be allowed another chance with a legit DC and QB who's are not fucking idiots.

There you go.

Said in a different way, and only 1500 words, which might appeal to another demographic, but BOOM. That's what I'm talking about.

It's funny, I was a Cutler apologist for years. Been in his corner. BUT, reading all of these posts, in a thread I created, not to butcher Cutler actually, it's teaching me about his ridiculous decisions. I kept thinking that Cutler was smart, perhaps just smarter than his 'classmates', but I love the analogy, that he was brought in to have his 'grades' elevated perhaps by a much stronger group. And it's failed.

Still don't want to throw Trestman away... yet.

 

[mac bear]

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I almost read more than the first two paragraphs.

You're funny. Now, **** yourself. (no offence intended)

Was that 140 characters?

 

[mac bear]

I am a teacher.

If you don't have discipline and accountability you have nothing.

You can be the nicest person, try to create relationships with your students, and respect the hell out of them. But if they do not know you are in charge and you are not tough on them when you have to be, the nicest kid in the world will walk all over you.

You're not their friend, and I think this has hurt Trestman.

I'm a teacher too, dude. And I love your posts, so this isn't 'at' you as it has been to and for some.

I agree with all of what you said, save the allusion to Trestman not espousing discipline and accountability. Great line in Macbeth, it's Shakespeare, good play, lots of blood, a hot chick who goes crazy, Shakespeare's Tarrentino play.

One point, Lady Macbeth is going nuts. She's all upset because her quick fix, which was kill the king while he was sleeping over at their place, and then steal his crown, has kind of backfired when the guilt card is being filed. She's having nightmares, and hallucinations, and is all messed up, walking around naked, seeing blood all over her hands.

Now Macbeth has his own problems, see? He just wants to keep what he stole, and he wants to not really have to deal with any of that guilt shit. Kind of like 'KING' Claudius in Hamlet in another of Shakespeare's greatest hits. So, anyway, Macbeth goes up to some doctor who has been watching his wife go nuts, and says, "Canst thou not minister to a mind disease... '

ok...

In modern English he says something like, 'Yo, Doctor. My wife is freaking out, and going nuts. Can you not give her some pill to fix this shit up top speed?'

And the Doctor says, "Therein the patient must minister to themselves".

And that means, NO, there is no quick fix. No drug. No push button. No quick fire, rehire, to fix this shit up. The players must do it themselves.

Yeah, so this is what I think Trestman has been doing. And, if you can understand it, it's brilliant. And it can work.

Trouble is, as many of you have alluded to, and as many more of you are, it just takes too long and makes my brain hurt. Too many in the locker room, hear the word Shakespeare, remember that it made them feel stupid, and so they refuse to listen to the story.

Even if it is a good one.

Now, my call... if more can listen? Maybe...