Trey Hendrickson Mock Off Season

[dennehy]

To me this is the perfect draft to trade down in with that 1st round pick and maybe even one of the 2nd's but not too far down. The strength of this draft in OL (especially guard) and at DT/DE is strong and sure looks like many of them will be there around picks #20 to say #50 or so. Would someone come up for a guy like Jeanty because Dallas picks at #12 and from the outside looking in it sure would be tough for me to pass on Jeanty if i was Dallas.

Dallas is a mess in several positions and has limited cap space. They can free up a bunch by messing with Dak's contracts (his cap hit is $89m) and cutting a few guys, but I don't think they can afford go RB in R1, much less give up any real draft capital to do so. They also only have 3 picks in the top 150 this year, hard to see them giving up one of those to come up given their huge OL and front 7 holes. Their starting 3T, DE, LT, RG , MIKE, SAM and several backup are FA. Wouldn't surprise me if they resigned Rico Dowdle, who shouldn't be too expensive especially with a 2 year deal.

 

[dabears70]

Dallas is a mess in several positions and has limited cap space. They can free up a bunch by messing with Dak's contracts (his cap hit is $89m) and cutting a few guys, but I don't think they can afford go RB in R1, much less give up any real draft capital to do so. They also only have 3 picks in the top 150 this year, hard to see them giving up one of those to come up given their huge OL and front 7 holes. Their starting 3T, DE, LT, RG , MIKE, SAM and several backup are FA. Wouldn't surprise me if they resigned Rico Dowdle, who shouldn't be too expensive especially with a 2 year deal.

I wasn't talking about the Cowboys trading up, i was talking about teams that would want Jeanty trading up over Dallas to get him because i'm sure he'll be a hot name connected to Dallas drafting him at #12 if he gets there.

 

[dennehy]

I wasn't talking about the Cowboys trading up, i was talking about teams that would want Jeanty trading up over Dallas to get him because i'm sure he'll be a hot name connected to Dallas drafting him at #12 if he gets there.

I'm saying if I was GM I wouldn't think DAL is really a big threat to take Jeanty. Although with Jerry you never know.

To me, you can go through all the teams from 11-19, and pretty much none of them 1 have the draft capital and 2 the need to trade up for him.

I probably wouldn't go down lower than about 15 or so in this draft either, because there are not a lot of prospects that have very high ceilings, and I think the Bears need to get one of those guys.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Dallas is a mess in several positions and has limited cap space. They can free up a bunch by messing with Dak's contracts (his cap hit is $89m) and cutting a few guys, but I don't think they can afford go RB in R1, much less give up any real draft capital to do so. They also only have 3 picks in the top 150 this year, hard to see them giving up one of those to come up given their huge OL and front 7 holes. Their starting 3T, DE, LT, RG , MIKE, SAM and several backup are FA. Wouldn't surprise me if they resigned Rico Dowdle, who shouldn't be too expensive especially with a 2 year deal.

Also Zach Martin is clearly in decline and just might retire. Would be wise to move down in the 1st and get extra picks. They are projected to get 3 5ths and a 6th per spotrac for comp picks though.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Having an intimate knowledge of the salary cap, studying the recent trends in trades/FA signings, and the available players this spring, @Aesopian is pretty certain that Trey Hendrickson will only cost a third round pick.

I'm not sure we really need to go further than that.

 

[dennehy]

Also Zach Martin is clearly in decline and just might retire. Would be wise to move down in the 1st and get extra picks. They are projected to get 3 5ths and a 6th per spotrac for comp picks though.

No one expects impact players where they have lots of picks. They need to target FA at cheap positions this year, and draft OL and front 7 early imo. They are also really thin at WR.

 

[bamainatlanta]

No one expects impact players where they have lots of picks. They need to target FA at cheap positions this year, and draft OL and front 7 early imo. They are also really thin at WR.

They have discussed trading Parsons. This would be the draft to move him considering the DL talent available early.

 

[dennehy]

They have discussed trading Parsons. This would be the draft to move him considering the DL talent available early.

Could be. They are really in a bad position no matter what, because I think they lose him and that defense kinda falls apart unless they get really lucky with draft picks.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Could be. They are really in a bad position no matter what, because I think they lose him and that defense kinda falls apart unless they get really lucky with draft picks.

Isn’t Lawrence a FA too? (Even though he hasn’t been great for a couple of years)

Also remember their DC is now Eberflus who puts a premium on stopping the run over rushing the passer. I imagine they will target a 3T sometime this offseason

 

[gallagher]

They have discussed trading Parsons. This would be the draft to move him considering the DL talent available early.

Pleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease let it be us!

Future HOF pass rusher/X Factor paired with Sweat, and a pair of 2nd rounders that can be invested in the OL. Add in a couple of young weapons in the 3rd and 5th round, and a few wise choices in FA to fill out the trenches, and we have ourselves a show.

 

[Xplosive]

I would rather Poles attempt to trade two firsts for Parsons than two seconds for Hendrickson. Ain't like Dallas has a lot of money to throw around and they are one snide remark to the press away from "shit or get off the pot" with Parsons. Basically, I am calling for a do-over on the 2018 offseason. It was a good plan if Trubisky and Nagy were themselves the correct people to lead the offense to contention.

If you are going to take a swing and trade multiple draft picks, I think you should aim for one of the guys who has a shot at the HOF while they are young enough to play through two more contracts.

I truly don't want to give up back to back 1sts for anything less than a QB which thankfully is off the table for a while. Parson's is a dream trade candidate but I don't see how likely it will ever be. Jerry Jones will send Parsons off to the AFC if anything rather than help the Bears out. My Question is what is a fair trade for Trey Hendrickson?

He's coming off back to back 17 sack years, no one is really trading that for one 3rd round pick unless they are dumb. Yes he's 30, but still I bet the Bangles can do better than that.

 

[dennehy]

Isn’t Lawrence a FA too? (Even though he hasn’t been great for a couple of years)

Also remember their DC is now Eberflus who puts a premium on stopping the run over rushing the passer. I imagine they will target a 3T sometime this offseason

Lawerence, Golston (his replacement who was pretty good), their 3T Odighizuma (who was good), Kendricks, plus Vigil, Watkins, Lawson, Jospeh who all contributed. That's just in the front 7.

They have zero 3T on the roster really.

That's a team I could see being bottom 5 in the league this year and also having one of the least manageable cap situations.

 

[dabears70]

I'm saying if I was GM I wouldn't think DAL is really a big threat to take Jeanty. Although with Jerry you never know.

To me, you can go through all the teams from 11-19, and pretty much none of them 1 have the draft capital and 2 the need to trade up for him.

I probably wouldn't go down lower than about 15 or so in this draft either, because there are not a lot of prospects that have very high ceilings, and I think the Bears need to get one of those guys.

But you aren't the GM and it's Jerry and he took as ton of shit for not signing a RB last offseason so Jeanty is absolutely in play for Jeanty IMO.

I think the talent goes into the middle of the 2nd round with players that have high ceilings.

 

[dennehy]

But you aren't the GM and it's Jerry and he took as ton of shit for not signing a RB last offseason so Jeanty is absolutely in play for Jeanty IMO.

I think the talent goes into the middle of the 2nd round with players that have high ceilings.

You aren't the GM either. If you are saying he might do something stupid, then I agree. But there's no logic to it given the Cowboys situation.

If it's about Jerry taking shit for something, that doesn't seem to bother him with the vast majority of things he does, like hiring Schottenheimer. In Dallas he gets shit for everything, most of it deserved.

 

[gallagher]

I truly don't want to give up back to back 1sts for anything less than a QB which thankfully is off the table for a while. Parson's is a dream trade candidate but I don't see how likely it will ever be. Jerry Jones will send Parsons off to the AFC if anything rather than help the Bears out. My Question is what is a fair trade for Trey Hendrickson?

He's coming off back to back 17 sack years, no one is really trading that for one 3rd round pick unless they are dumb. Yes he's 30, but still I bet the Bangles can do better than that.

I agree that Parsons is a dream scenario - and it relies on Jerry Jones to be foolish. If he imagines that Dak and Lamb get you in place to get to the playoffs, he should move heaven and earth to keep Parsons on the roster. But if he is available, I am absolutely willing to trade back to back firsts for Parsons as a high water mark. Doing something like exchanging second rounders, or throwing in a 6th to make it look neat-o is near-meaningless to me for a player like him, but I am not adding a premium pick or player on top of that like this is Carolina moving up for Bryce Young.

Fair trade value is hard for Henderson because of his age - my presumption is that fair trade value is the maximum value that the Bengals can get for him. Sweat was obtained for a second rounder from a team trying to reload. I wouldn't offer a second rounder if I were Poles, simply because he is nearing the age where he gets one- and two-year contracts until retirement (for this team, would it not be better to just draft a top DE with the first pick and use the second rounders on guards?) A team like Detroit could offer a second rounder for him, because they need something to get them over the hump and into the Super Bowl. I don't think I would let Hendrickson go for a second rounder were I the GM of Cinci - I would say that they should try to keep him on a two year extension to keep these next few years as competitive as they can.

 

[Xplosive]

You aren't the GM either. If you are saying he might do something stupid, then I agree. But there's no logic to it given the Cowboys situation.

If it's about Jerry taking shit for something, that doesn't seem to bother him with the vast majority of things he does, like hiring Schottenheimer. In Dallas he gets shit for everything, most of it deserved.

Jerry Drafted Ezekiel Elliot #4 overall, I don't think we can simply throw out the idea that he would take a RB that had over 2K yards at #12. What do you think Dallas will do at #12?

 

[dennehy]

Jerry Drafted Ezekiel Elliot #4 overall, I don't think we can simply throw out the idea that he would take a RB that had over 2K yards at #12. What do you think Dallas will do at #12?

I don't throw out the idea that anyone will draft Jeanty. I just don't see them as a particular threat compared to anyone else, and I've already posted my reasoning for that a couple times.

They have huge holes all across their OL and front 7. I'd guess OL or DL based on their needs.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I don't throw out the idea that anyone will draft Jeanty. I just don't see them as a particular threat compared to anyone else, and I've already posted my reasoning for that a couple times.

They have huge holes all across their OL and front 7. I'd guess OL or DL based on their needs.

I actually think there's a real possibility the Raiders take jeanty at 6 if ward and sanders are gone. They had a pretty solid OL and still had an absolutely terrible run game because the rbs are awful. If they can't fix qb, might as well get a stud rb to help out whoever rolls out at qb. Carroll loves him some running game too.

 

[dabears70]

You aren't the GM either. If you are saying he might do something stupid, then I agree. But there's no logic to it given the Cowboys situation.

If it's about Jerry taking shit for something, that doesn't seem to bother him with the vast majority of things he does, like hiring Schottenheimer. In Dallas he gets shit for everything, most of it deserved.

Just simply saying that the Cowboys taking Jeanty isn't out of the question at all.

 

[dabears70]

I don't throw out the idea that anyone will draft Jeanty. I just don't see them as a particular threat compared to anyone else, and I've already posted my reasoning for that a couple times.

They have huge holes all across their OL and front 7. I'd guess OL or DL based on their needs.

Well you did say you don't see anyone from 11 to 19 having the need for a RB.