Trubisky is 8th in QBR

[msadows]

Trubisky is a great psychological lesson in perception vs reality. It’s all about first impressions and context.

Imagine how excited people would have been if Cutler was rated this high after 8 weeks of a season. Maybe he was once (2011) before the thumb but probably never again.

The thing is he was brought in with so much optimism and excitement that people rationalized his sorry ass play for years. With Trubisky he was brought in on a public negative, a “fleece”, so for him to get the benefit of the doubt he needs to be Aaron Rodgers.

It’s fun to watch the reactions.

Bears fans don't know how to react to a good QB.

They'd rather have cutler throw 4 interceptions to Hall than watch mitch miss a couple passes. It makes it easier to sleep at night.

 

[CaptnSUG]

Mitch Trubisky is not one of the 10 best QB's in the NFL and there's nothing you could say to make me believe he is.

Now get to around 15th and I'm listenining.

 

[baselman1974]

Imagine if they showed up the last two weeks.

Imagine if the special teams didn't shit on themselves on the NE game. Two special team TDs. At least the Bears make their losses exciting. That's sickening the Bears should be 6-1 right now, possibly 7-0. I'm glad the division turned into shit. It's a coin toss who can win the North.

 

[Monster]

Imagine if the special teams didn't shit on themselves on the NE game. Two special team TDs. At least the Bears make their losses exciting. That's sickening the Bears should be 6-1 right now, possibly 7-0. I'm glad the division turned into shit. It's a coin toss who can win the North.

I expected improvement this year but am delightfully surprised at the rate.
You’re right... they could realistically be 6-1...
I think losing the tight games is a blessing... but only if lessons are learned.
I honestly believe the future is bright for the Bears... and it’s been a long time coming.

I can’t remember recently having hope this deep in a season... let alone being in the chase.

Hell... I was hoping to get 8 wins this year.

 

[richb688]

I don't feel that there are 14 better QBs right-now. There are a lot of bad QBS

 

[CaptnSUG]

I don't feel that there are 14 better QBs right-now. There are a lot of bad QBS

1 Brady
2 12
3 Brees
4 Russ
5 Rivers
6 Cam
7 Ryan
8 Mahomes
9 Luck
10 Stafford
11 Goff
12 Cousins
13 Roethlisberger
14 Wentz

Have a real hard time convincing me Trubisky is better than any of those 14 guys yet. Now I think there is a good argument that Trubisky could be #15, contending with Watson, Alex Smith, Dalton, Flacco etc.

 

[Spirit Hartigan]

Request: Someone calculate his QBR from today's game split into the 1st and 2nd half. I'm curious to know how much better the 2nd half was, thanks!

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Trubisky is a great psychological lesson in perception vs reality. It’s all about first impressions and context.

Imagine how excited people would have been if Cutler was rated this high after 8 weeks of a season. Maybe he was once (2011) before the thumb but probably never again.

The thing is he was brought in with so much optimism and excitement that people rationalized his sorry ass play for years. With Trubisky he was brought in on a public negative, a “fleece”, so for him to get the benefit of the doubt he needs to be Aaron Rodgers.

It’s fun to watch the reactions.

Wow. I’ve actually never thought of it that way. That makes a ton of sense tbh


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[TL1961]

1 Brady
2 12
3 Brees
4 Russ
5 Rivers
6 Cam
7 Ryan
8 Mahomes
9 Luck
10 Stafford
11 Goff
12 Cousins
13 Roethlisberger
14 Wentz

Have a real hard time convincing me Trubisky is better than any of those 14 guys yet. Now I think there is a good argument that Trubisky could be #15, contending with Watson, Alex Smith, Dalton, Flacco etc.

It is a ranking so far this year. It doesn't mean he "is better" but has "thus far played better" (as defined by certain stats, anyway)

He has been better than Wilson, Stafford, Rodgers actually (due in large part to injury - I would take nobody before Rodgers if choosing).

Are you saying Luck has played better this year?
Rivers is more Stat Padford than Stafford is. Does a lot of throwing, but he is unreliable.
Cam Newton has been awful much of this year.

 

[LiverpoolBearsFAn]

He’s doing well and improving - that’s all we can ask. He has the best opportunity to be a top tier QB in the league of any the Bears have had for a long time, partly because he’s playing in a QB friendly system with a talented coordinator.

That’s no knock on him, just saying part of any of these guys is system and supporting cast so you have to take that into account.

Rodgers and Brady are two of the greatest ever because they played with some pretty average casts and still put the numbers up and went to the playoffs regularly over the course of a long time.

Making these judgements you have to consider talent, consistency, longevity, wins, coaching and stats. So it’s hard to compare, but Trubs is clearly growing. I had him in my fantasy team the previous two weeks ahead of Brees - swapped them this week and it cost me nearly 20 points!

Personally think it’s nice to be even thinking about whether to pick the Bears QB or Drew Brees - that has to be progress! It doesn’t mean Trubs will ever be a better QB than Brees, but it means our offence has become relevant.

 

[cjswan232482]

I like Trubisky but I cant help but think what Nagy and Pace could have done with Jay Cutler if they got him at 25 when the Bears acquired him at 2009. Trubisky has great stats but honestly he is closer to RG3 than Aaron Rodgers right now. Cutler was a better pure passer at the same age. Trubisky misses a lot of throws and would rather run than read right now. I just hope he does not get hurt before he develops.

 

[msadows]

I like Trubisky but I cant help but think what Nagy and Pace could have done with Jay Cutler if they got him at 25 when the Bears acquired him at 2009. Trubisky has great stats but honestly he is closer to RG3 than Aaron Rodgers right now. Cutler was a better pure passer at the same age. Trubisky misses a lot of throws and would rather run than read right now. I just hope he does not get hurt before he develops.

IDK what games you are watching.

Cutler made the wrong reads and would make stupid throws because he thought his arm was a missile.

Mitch is making all the right reads and missing throws to open receivers.

Nagy can't fix dumb. Cutler would have still done dumb shit because he is cutler. Only thing bigger than his arm was his ego. You're comparing a kid eager to learn and please to a brat. Cutler also was not that accurate, dude just had a cannon for an arm.

Also, Mitch for the most part has only ran out of necessity. He has gotten a lot better with it over the last few weeks and rarely runs when there isn't a need to. Biscuit is really far ahead in development, if he fixes his accuracy yips you essentially have a QB who doesnt turn the ball over and puts up more yards on the ground than most opposing teams running backs.

 

[LiverpoolBearsFAn]

Yeah I think a lot of playing QB is mental - Cutler always gave you that ‘could have been’ because of his arm, but he had too many bad traits on the personality side he never overcame.

He was a terrible leader who was so disengaged it was a running joke (smokin’ Jay!) and a poor decision maker who tried to force throws and gave away horrible, morale killing turnovers. He never seemed to learn from his bad moments and still played like a talented kid when he was well into his thirties and had ten years in the league.

Trubisky has a long way to go, but character wise I think he’s promising. He’s getting better in the pocket and learning from his mistakes. He has a good enough arm, good enough legs and a good enough system to take him where we want him to go - the rest is between the ears.

He’s pretty ‘level’ and you need that - part of playing that position is keeping your emotions in check. It may not always make for an entertaining interview but I really just want to be excited by us scoring points. Jay had too much of an interesting personality! He’s quite eccentric in some ways.

 

[CaptnSUG]

It is a ranking so far this year. It doesn't mean he "is better" but has "thus far played better" (as defined by certain stats, anyway)

He has been better than Wilson, Stafford, Rodgers actually (due in large part to injury - I would take nobody before Rodgers if choosing).

Are you saying Luck has played better this year?
Rivers is more Stat Padford than Stafford is. Does a lot of throwing, but he is unreliable.
Cam Newton has been awful much of this year.

All those guys have been objectively better than Mitch. Don't @ me with stats. Stats tell me nothing.

I like Mitch. I'm encouraged by what I see, but he has some ways to go. I hope by the end of the the year he's in that top 10-12 discussion. He began the year in the consensus bottom-5 and has blown those expectations away, but he still has a lot of ascending to do.

 

[cjswan232482]

Personality is perception. If you dont think Cutlers early years with the Bears did not have an effect on him you are kidding yourselves. Cutlers development ended once he got to the Bears due to bad drafting and instability. Trubisky has a better chance to success with Nagy, Pace and the supporting cast.

 

[Ari Bear]

True, I say we trade for Winston.

Trubisky and next years 2nd for Winston.

Sounds fair.

I'm so glad your not the Bears GM

 

[CaptnSUG]

Personality is perception. If you dont think Cutlers early years with the Bears did not have an effect on him you are kidding yourselves. Cutlers development ended once he got to the Bears due to bad drafting and instability. Trubisky has a better chance to success with Nagy, Pace and the supporting cast.

The Bears moved mountains for Cutler.

 

[cjswan232482]

Moving mountains is firing Lovie Smith/John Fox and getting an offensive mind as head coach and developing an offensive philosophy. Moving mountains is not trading Greg Olson, not making Devin Hester a No.1 receiver, hiring retreads and never was as OCs, having Carimi, Webb and Chris Williams as Offensive tackles. Moving mountains is geting Khalil Mack, Roquan Smith and Allen Robertson in one off season.

 

[ursamajor]

I'm so glad your not the Bears GM

He’s being sarcastic...


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[Warden of the Northeast]

Just think where he'd be if he improved his footwork and accuracy, he'd be elite level.