Trubisky or Watson?

[xer0h0ur]

And fans will treat them as though they both went to similar situations, and therefore will make dozens of dumb comparisons and judgements.

Might you please expound this statement. I just want to make sure you're not actually trying to say the Texans are a worse situation than the Bears. Because that is simply not true at all.

 

[bearmick]

Why don't we revisit this in three years? Bi-daily seems annoyingly frequent.

 

[legendxofxlink]

It would be nice if Trubisky had some receivers like Watson. Hopkins is seemingly always open

 

[Rise]

Watson was the most nfl ready and it shows. Great game by him today, congrats to him and Texans fans, exactly what they needed it appears.

Unfortunately this city, from media to fans have a hard time seeing the long game. Trubisky was regarded as the better talent, but raw. Unfairly he will be criticized for not putting up Watson numbers, ignoring this predraft scouting report, and the weapons the Texans have.

Myself I’m not comparing them until the end of season 3. Yeah that’s right 3 seasons. I’m also expecting the Bears to find a coach this offseason that will implement an offensive system that will play to Trubisky’s strengths. He will hopefully play in this system his whole career. It will take 3 seasons for the team to master that offense, so peak Trubisky won’t be until year 4.

Patience is key here, we just need to see improvement and flashes of what he could be this year. Do yourself a favor and don’t compare him to Watson right now or you will be disappointed.

 

[xer0h0ur]

Why don't we revisit this in three years? Bi-daily seems annoyingly frequent.

LOL you know for a fact that ain't gonna happen.

 

[Aquineas]

It would be nice if Trubisky had some receivers like Watson. Hopkins is seemingly always open

Except against Jalen Ramsey (but yes, I agree with your point).

 

[BearsFan51]

Trubisky is coming and what a difference it will be. Watson is a fine kid you're silly if you didn't like him from the get go. Trubisky continues to WOW every time he touches the ball. It starts for him next week.

 

[Midway Fields]

People can talk stats, "accuracy" , so-called "better pure passer" etc. but in the end, it's all about W-L record.

They showed stat during the Texans game, they’ve started the most qbs the last few years.......and wait for it..........

Still had a winning record.

You are wrong. Deshaun Watson may be a stud but he was also drafted to a good team. It was literally the perfect team to be drafted by.

 

[Bearly]

Oh bullcookies. YOu have to be kidding me. Watson has a helluva lot more talent than Osweiler and Hoyer. He is doing very well as a rookie quarterback for Houston and as I am watching the scores right now his team is leading 24-7 against Tennessee and he as two tds in the first half and no ints. There is no rookie quarterback better than Watson right now in the NFL. Trubs hasn't played and that is not his fault. I hope Trubisky turns out better than Watson being a Bear's fan but bumrapping Watson isn't fair.

And I never did. Just giving R&S some reality. It is so obvious that you can usually only see 2 diametrically opposed answers to any given question. It's so unfortunate.
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[run and shoot]

Quote Originally Posted by SugarWalls View Post
......you openly say Rodgers is better than the others,


Actually I said.....

BTW...I like Rodgers over the other 2

Here's 1 example.....'the media' / 'talking heads'....calls Peyton Manning "the greatest ever", however, after further review his post season record in $$$$ games is mediocre at best. When we think of winning $$ games who do we want out there Brady or Manning?

Quote Originally Posted by SugarWalls View Post
Qb play is crucial but there's more to it than simply counting up wins and losses.

LOL....apparently ownership agrees with u
.....and this is the main reason.... why we've been a loser for the past 8 seasons


Here's the takeaway:
We can always talk about who's " better than the other", but ya gotta discuss who makes the plays in crunch time.

Well, all the scrub QBs that have played with Houston over the past 3 years are combined winners. So far, Watson is a loser. You keep saying one thing yet Watson goes to a playoff caliber team and they have a losing record. He only played 1/2 of the 1st game but accounted for 4 positive points in that 1/2.

He's playing better overall and I hope he continues to do so but your arguments are goofy rotating nonsense as they relate to what's happened so far. These are the same things people said about Tebow. I'm not making that comparison. You are by inference. It's unfair to the kid. Let him play for a while longer and see how he and Ds adjust before you go spouting off about what a winner he is. It's not college any more. How's Clemson doing without him? Same #2 ranking as last year and they also lost the top WR in draft.

If he wins 9 games, he's no more of a winner than Osweiler or Hoyer. Let's set the bar a little higher than just record. I think he's got it him.

Please go back, read and process what I responded too:

Quote Originally Posted by SugarWalls View Post
You understand the irony in your statement and what I was trying to say right? If you want to say that the best QB's are the ones that win the games, then you are put in a situation where you could argue Eli or Ben are better than Rodgers becaus they have won those super bowls and 'made those plays.' Yet you openly say Rodgers is better than the others, which I agree with.

It's more than wins and losses. The defenses won those Super Bowls for the giants and also played a huge role for the steelers as well. Qb play is crucial but there's more to it than simply counting up wins and losses.

......but if u watch the tape those Qb's also made plays in those games......no?

Quote Originally Posted by SugarWalls View Post
......you openly say Rodgers is better than the others,

 

[Zhang Liao]

How can anyone answer this question right now?

Time will tell.

So far Watson has shown some flashes, Trubisky not so much (obviously)

 

[TexasBearfan]

How can anyone answer this question right now?

Time will tell.

So far Watson has shown some flashes, Trubisky not so much (obviously)

Dear Mr. Liao, is there an ancient treatment for a painful boil on the taint...asking for a friend..

 

[Myk]

Why don't we revisit this in three years? Bi-daily seems annoyingly frequent.

We could talk about what's right with the team but the board would die from boredom.

 

[bearmick]

We could talk about what's right with the team but the board would die from boredom.

Yeah, but if we're going to have a Watson vs Trubisky "Did we take the right one?" debate every time either of them play, it's going to get tedious. It already has. We won't know for a good while who will have the better career. Trubisky looked good in PS action and should start going forward. Watson is already starting and has been really good. I just don't get the need to revisit the choice every 5 mins.

What does appear to be pretty apparent is that two groups of people were wrong - those who thought Watson didn't have NFL skills, and those who thought Glennon would be a solid starter. Both of these thoughts are looking pretty awful.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I didn't like Watson at all. I liked Mahomes followed by Trubisky.

I do think Mahomes and Watson went to teams best suited for them. Trubisky not set up nearly as well in terms of both weapons around him and coaching and long time losing culture, if we're to be honest.

I'd still have hope in Trubisky and if things don't go well immediately. The Rams, thus far, are a good example of how quickly both a young QB and mediocre team can turn it around with an upgrade at HC and an added weapon here or there.

 

[The Hawk]

2 passing TDs, a rushing TD, and counting.

Yeah, but according to Bearly he is a LOSER.

 

[The Hawk]

Watson was the most nfl ready and it shows. Great game by him today, congrats to him and Texans fans, exactly what they needed it appears.

Unfortunately this city, from media to fans have a hard time seeing the long game. Trubisky was regarded as the better talent, but raw. Unfairly he will be criticized for not putting up Watson numbers, ignoring this predraft scouting report, and the weapons the Texans have.

Myself I’m not comparing them until the end of season 3. Yeah that’s right 3 seasons. I’m also expecting the Bears to find a coach this offseason that will implement an offensive system that will play to Trubisky’s strengths. He will hopefully play in this system his whole career. It will take 3 seasons for the team to master that offense, so peak Trubisky won’t be until year 4.

Patience is key here, we just need to see improvement and flashes of what he could be this year. Do yourself a favor and don’t compare him to Watson right now or you will be disappointed.

IT is the people who downgrade Watson that I do not understand. It is like they want to justify the Bear's selection of Trubisky over Watson. Why? There was some discussion by a few people questioning the additional draft picks necessary but it certainly isn't a big deal over-all. As for comparing the two, I think that they will be compared every year that they play because of where they were drafted. QBs drafted in the same class always get compared.

It Trubisky turns out to be as Watson then he certainly will be a very good quarterback. But what is happening right now with the Texans should make Bear's fans very pissed off because while Watson accounted for 5 touchdowns today, Trubisky picked up more splinters in his ass and the BEars team got humbled on national TV once again. Sucks right now being a Bear fan. You just cannot justify the mental midgets running this team.

 

[The Hawk]

And I never did. Just giving R&S some reality. It is so obvious that you can usually only see 2 diametrically opposed answers to any given question. It's so unfortunate.
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Spare me your foolish insult. You said that Watson was a loser did you not? I actually let you off lightly as the wonderfully good person that I am

 

[Rise]

IT is the people who downgrade Watson that I do not understand. It is like they want to justify the Bear's selection of Trubisky over Watson. Why? There was some discussion by a few people questioning the additional draft picks necessary but it certainly isn't a big deal over-all. As for comparing the two, I think that they will be compared every year that they play because of where they were drafted. QBs drafted in the same class always get compared.

It Trubisky turns out to be as Watson then he certainly will be a very good quarterback. But what is happening right now with the Texans should make Bear's fans very pissed off because while Watson accounted for 5 touchdowns today, Trubisky picked up more splinters in his ass and the BEars team got humbled on national TV once again. Sucks right now being a Bear fan. You just cannot justify the mental midgets running this team.

Oh no doubt it sucks right now, believe me I am hurting right with you. I work with a Milwaukee based team, it is so bad I don't even get made fun of, just looked at with pity, which is worse honestly. That said if Trubisky long term turns out to be the best QB in this class we are good. Anything less is a failure on the part of the Bears. I fully expected Watson to be better this year, but I expect the gap to narrow with each week, and year. If it does not we can just add this to the long line of blunders this clown organization has had since really my whole life.

Watson has set the bar extremely high this week, I mean he had pretty much a perfect game. Could you imagine the excitement around here if we had a game like that from any QB? Trubisky, pressure is on, welcome to the NFL.

 

[The Hawk]

How can anyone answer this question right now?

Time will tell.

So far Watson has shown some flashes, Trubisky not so much (obviously)

Some flashes? Watson tied an NFL record today with his four TD passes and one running TD that was a rookie record established by FRAN FREEKING TARKINGTON and hasn't been done since. Watson has more than just showed "flashes". He has shown himself to be pretty special.