Monsieur Tirets
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Do you happen to be a teacher?
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Yeah, that's how it all started. The beginning of the thread. My OP was attempting to suggest that the way that Coaches are considered is similar to the way teachers are. We've all had good or bad teachers or coaches, so we feel we actually 'know' how to do it.
I've had as much success as one can have as a teacher, and if anything, it has taught me that that means squat in terms of 'success' next year with my next group. Nothing is a given. You just try your best...
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He isn't the biggest weakness but he plays the most important position and I don't think he's a championship QB. We have the infrastructure now to bring in and mold a young QB into Trestman's system, and pay a fraction of what we would need to give Cutler who I don't think is the guy for this offense.
Even if you don't agree with that, you shouldn't take the kind of offense over it that you seem to.
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Losing is a culture not a choice.
If we plan on totally rebuilding next year with a new QB and new defensive scheme then I think we should lose out. Because if that's the case next year and the year after really don't matter, and all the losses we will pile up won't really have a lasting impact. The only possible casualty would be the coaching staff, and maybe the front office, but even then they would have Trestman's fourth year to prove themselves before they were shitcanned. If they all get fired at that point then they obviously earned it.
If the goal is to compete next year then I don't know how people can think that losing out is somehow good for the organization. Look at the Panthers, they were dogshit last year and in perfect position to lose out going into week 14 to improve their draft spot. Instead, they won out and now they are vying for a bye-week in the playoffs. The Bears winning out this year would actually give them something to build on going into next year, particularly on the offensive side of the ball where they are implementing a brand new system. Winning out might also indicate that the Bears don't need to replace/upgrade so many players going into next year. I would rather have guys currently on the team step-up and play well going into next year instead of them playing like shit so they must be replaced. There is a lot more involved in losing out than just getting slightly better draft pick, it means that there are more players that have to be replaced, it means there is something wrong with the schemes and coaching, it means there are chemistry problems, it means this team won't be competing for a long fucking time.
You know what else? Going back to at least 1995 there has been at least one pro-bowler drafted in the second round (usually 2 or more). So regardless where the Bears draft in the first round it's almost a certainty there will be a potential pro-bowler on the board. So it's not like winning out means we must draft a bad player in the first round, it just means Emery has to do a bit better during player evaluations.
If we plan on totally rebuilding next year with a new QB and new defensive scheme then I think we should lose out. Because if that's the case next year and the year after really don't matter, and all the losses we will pile up won't really have a lasting impact. The only possible casualty would be the coaching staff, and maybe the front office, but even then they would have Trestman's fourth year to prove themselves before they were shitcanned. If they all get fired at that point then they obviously earned it.
If the goal is to compete next year then I don't know how people can think that losing out is somehow good for the organization. Look at the Panthers, they were dogshit last year and in perfect position to lose out going into week 14 to improve their draft spot. Instead, they won out and now they are vying for a bye-week in the playoffs. The Bears winning out this year would actually give them something to build on going into next year, particularly on the offensive side of the ball where they are implementing a brand new system. Winning out might also indicate that the Bears don't need to replace/upgrade so many players going into next year. I would rather have guys currently on the team step-up and play well going into next year instead of them playing like shit so they must be replaced. There is a lot more involved in losing out than just getting slightly better draft pick, it means that there are more players that have to be replaced, it means there is something wrong with the schemes and coaching, it means there are chemistry problems, it means this team won't be competing for a long fucking time.
You know what else? Going back to at least 1995 there has been at least one pro-bowler drafted in the second round (usually 2 or more). So regardless where the Bears draft in the first round it's almost a certainty there will be a potential pro-bowler on the board. So it's not like winning out means we must draft a bad player in the first round, it just means Emery has to do a bit better during player evaluations.
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Nice. Top to bottom. Thank you.
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I don't understand why it bothers other posters when there are multiple threads on the same topic. If it bothers you then you shouldn't open it. They don't own this message board.
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cheers!
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You play to win the game. Herm Edwards said it, and I agree. There is also the point that may not have been mentioned. A coaches win/loss record is usually a factor in contract negotiations and in worst case, being fired. I don't think any coach would jeopardize their jobs and throw away games to get a draft pick.
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The infamous Kerouac. Great quote, thank you for sharing it!
Here's one that your post instantly reminded me of ...
“To know how to suggest is the art of teaching.”
Henri-Frédéric Amiel
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That's a solid point of view Buck .. well said!
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I would suggest you quote whom to which you are responding so that your post makes sense.
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Play to win... Just do it without risking the future of the franchise or putting next season at risk...
If Cutler is your guy sit him and let him heal...
If Marshall is injured let him take it easy and don't target him so much...
If Briggs is rushing back and is going to play 90% keep him out the extra week and wait for him to be 100%... its as simple as that we saw what happened to Jay when he played with his groin injury... it led to more injuries...
If Cutler is your guy sit him and let him heal...
If Marshall is injured let him take it easy and don't target him so much...
If Briggs is rushing back and is going to play 90% keep him out the extra week and wait for him to be 100%... its as simple as that we saw what happened to Jay when he played with his groin injury... it led to more injuries...
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That makes sense to me, good post.
One caveat is that as long as Cutler is healthy to play he should play. If you're playing to win that is ...
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So you're saying that the bears should play cutler over mccown next season, if he is still a bear. I agree with that.
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If you waited until everyone was truly 100% in order to play them..........there would be no one on the field.
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It was from mine, about five up. I'm the OP of this thing...