Updates to the Kane situation

[italianbeef]

My bias?

Because I believe Kane COULD of gotten into this situation (or at least be capable with the past issues that he has had) doesn't mean I believe he DID do it.

I've said numerous times on here that I don't know if he did it and am waiting for facts to make my opinion.

Right, you're 50/50 on this.

I think you're the only one who truly believes that.

And if a fact about the girl's past came out, you'd be the first to cry "misogyny" and "victim blaming".

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Right, you're 50/50 on this.

I think you're the only one who truly believes that.

Lmao, isn't this coming from the guy who is pro-Kaner didn't do it, despite no evidence?

The only thing I've argued on is the lack of evidence to make a decision either way. I've also argued that you and the others who think "false rape accusations" are a common thing done.




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[Shantz My Pants]

And if a fact about the girl's past came out, you'd be the first to cry "misogyny" and "victim blaming".

Not if it was pretty damaging and relevant evidence and actually factual. But we haven't seen any of that have we?


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[italianbeef]

Not if it was pretty damaging and relevant evidence and actually factual. But we haven't seen any of that have we?

Of course not. Her privacy is protected by law, Kane is free to be smeared in the media and court of public opinion.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Of course not. Her privacy is protected by law, Kane is free to be smeared in the media and court of public opinion.

Have you not seen any of the comments made on social media about this, specifically Twitter? Women saying the girl is a liar/**** because "they'd let Kane have sex with me" or guys saying "it's not true and she's a lying slut because Kane could have any woman he wants so why would he rape her"?

You don't think these journalists are not worried about Kane's camp coming back at them with defamation law suits? **** Graham said if in his interview that he can't discuss due to lawyers getting involved. Everything Graham has said him self has been backed by the police. Saying Kane is the subject to a rape allegation? The fucking police spokesman held a PC for it the day the allegations came out.

Get your head out of the fucking clouds and think logically.


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[italianbeef]

Have you not seen any of the comments made on social media about this, specifically Twitter? Women saying the girl is a liar/**** because "they'd let Kane have sex with me" or guys saying "it's not true and she's a lying slut because Kane could have any woman he wants so why would he rape her"?

Like you do here, you obviously ignore the anti-Kane sentiment in the Twitterverse. You were probably too busy sifting through crap to find those.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Typically the anti-Kane sentiment is calling him a douchebag **** sucker who rapes women. I've read all that too.

Also, nobody here has come out and said Kane did it because most logical people are waiting for facts. If someone did come out and say it, I'd say the same thing. But nobody is that stupid to say it. On the other hand others have no problem claiming it's a lie.

I'm done arguing with you on this bullshit. You've obviously painted Kane as someone who would never rape a women and that this chick is crying wolf.


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[italianbeef]

I'm done arguing with you on this bullshit. You've obviously painted Kane as someone who would never rape a women and that this chick is crying wolf.

Lame strawman.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Lame strawman.

The entire thread/discussion is a straw man until further information is released.

Person 1: Kane's a rapist. Women keep gettin' raped.
Person 2: Kane's a dreamboat. He would never rape anyone. Just look at his beautiful girlfriend. Damned jersey chasers.
Person 3: I'm sitting this one out until more info is released.
Person 4: **** the Blackhawks and Jay Cutler.
Ares: I'm sitting this one out until more info is released, also **** Jay Cutler.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I don't think "frenchdip" knows what a strawman argument is.

 

[DMelt36]

Of course not. Her privacy is protected by law, Kane is free to be smeared in the media and court of public opinion.

Outside of the legislation in place, the reason that Patrick Kane is treated differently is because Kane has a national platform with the ability to respond to these claims. Said female does not have that platform (nor does she have as many people rushing to her defense as Kane does, in spite of the lack of facts in either direction)

 

[DMelt36]

You don't think these journalists are not worried about Kane's camp coming back at them with defamation law suits? **** Graham said if in his interview that he can't discuss due to lawyers getting involved.

FWIW, those defamation lawsuits are virtually impossible for a person of fame to win. They'd have to prove "actual malice," which is to say that they'd have to prove that Graham was spreading information he knew to be false or was deliberately attempting to tarnish Kane's reputation. Very hard to do and, like you said, probably not the case here.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

FWIW, those defamation lawsuits are virtually impossible for a person of fame to win. They'd have to prove "actual malice," which is to say that they'd have to prove that Graham was spreading information he knew to be false or was deliberately attempting to tarnish Kane's reputation. Very hard to do and, like you said, probably not the case here.

Oh for sure, celebrities are in a league of their own for defamation lawsuits, but according to MF and Italian Beef, Graham is trying to slander Kane and tarnish his reputation and also sway the public opinion without directly doing it.

Right...


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[Bigfoot]

Person 4: **** Jay Cutler.

Now you have made this a Cutler thread well done sir.

 

[italianbeef]

Oh for sure, celebrities are in a league of their own for defamation lawsuits, but according to MF and Italian Beef, Graham is trying to slander Kane and tarnish his reputation and also sway the public opinion without directly doing it.

Right...

He directs people to look at Deadspin to dig up Kane's past, snarkily questions his eyewitnesses' credibility because they are friends with him, and says things like this:

"I think that there a lot of people in Buffalo that look at it and shrug and say, ‘Well, that’s just one more thing that Patrick Kane has done that makes us embarrassed.’”

"A person who, let's face it, also has a bit of a track record. If you were to ask me when I woke up this morning to name three people in sports....Uh, I'm gonna tell you today that somebody's going to be investigated for rape, how long would it take for you to get to Patrick Kane? I mean, this is a guy who is out there in public doing things in a sloppy manner for the course of his career. He's been in court before, he's had allegations levied at him before...uh, take a look at Deadspin, you know, all the different things...he lives his life in a very loose and carefree manner."

He then followed that last diatribe up with "Now, that's not to say that warrants any suspicion."

Then why did you bring it up? It doesn't warrant suspicion but you would have guessed him first thing in the morning if asked blind who was being investigated?

If that isn't trying to sway public opinion, what is it?

Please don't say "objective reporting". He's editorializing for ****'s sake.

 

[Ares]

The entire thread/discussion is a straw man until further information is released.

Person 1: Kane's a rapist. Women keep gettin' raped.
Person 2: Kane's a dreamboat. He would never rape anyone. Just look at his beautiful girlfriend. Damned jersey chasers.
Person 3: I'm sitting this one out until more info is released.
Person 4: **** the Blackhawks and Jay Cutler.

Ares: I'm sitting this one out until more info is released, also **** Jay Cutler.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Ares: I'm sitting this one out until more info is released, also **** Jay Cutler.

#updated

 

[MassHavoc]

So I have no idea whether he did it or not, and I'll wait for the full info to settle itself which I don't see happening for a real long time apparently with the pace that it is going, but I am curious if anyone knows the answer to a question.

Say Kane is innocent and didn't rape her, is there any recourse on the alleged victim here? I believe there would be varying degrees here i.e. do they not have enough evidence to charge him, vs. the evidence shows he didn't rape her. So I believe that if the evidence shows him innocent then she can be prosecuted for filing a false report correct? But do charges have to happen first before she can be prosecuted... and if no charges are filed, can a civil suit still be brought up or defamation or anything like that? I mean, if somehow he's found innocent, he's still lost millions? Does he have any real recourse? Can he even be found innocent if no charges are filed? If he were to file counter claims would the alleged victim be named in that suit? There is so much going on here that is just a mess, I was just curious how it works out from a legal standpoint on both sides, not even specifically here but whenever a high profile rape case is prosecuted?

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Now you have made this a Cutler thread well done sir.

Bearmick on his way here now......never miss an opportunity for a good Cutler slam. #calledit

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

So I have no idea whether he did it or not, and I'll wait for the full info to settle itself which I don't see happening for a real long time apparently with the pace that it is going, but I am curious if anyone knows the answer to a question.

Say Kane is innocent and didn't rape her, is there any recourse on the alleged victim here? I believe there would be varying degrees here i.e. do they not have enough evidence to charge him, vs. the evidence shows he didn't rape her. So I believe that if the evidence shows him innocent then she can be prosecuted for filing a false report correct? But do charges have to happen first before she can be prosecuted... and if no charges are filed, can a civil suit still be brought up or defamation or anything like that? I mean, if somehow he's found innocent, he's still lost millions? Does he have any real recourse? Can he even be found innocent if no charges are filed? If he were to file counter claims would the alleged victim be named in that suit? There is so much going on here that is just a mess, I was just curious how it works out from a legal standpoint on both sides, not even specifically here but whenever a high profile rape case is prosecuted?

To add, I'm curious why the fact that he is being investigated for rape ever went public. Seems when perpetrators of whatever other crimes are being investigated that's it's hush hush until prosecutors file charges.