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Taking into account the salary dump the trade allowed us and my belife that Phillipe Paradis is going to find an NHL roster sooner rather than later on the 3rd or 4th line I think we robbed Brian Burke. Still that is not an accomplishment because Brian Burke is a fucking moron, ever since he left Anaheim he lost his mind. The Phil Kessel trade is maybe the worst trade of all time.
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So far it looks like we owned the Leafs.
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Agree 100% Matthew
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When it comes to worst trades of all time, it takes a fair bit to top the one where Chicago traded away Phil Esposito. . .
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Stalberg's last 5 games: 0 points.
Quit sucking his nuts. He's a bum.
8 of the 12 games this month, he's had 0 points.
Zero consistency.
Quit sucking his nuts. He's a bum.
8 of the 12 games this month, he's had 0 points.
Zero consistency.
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The Eric Lindros trade might be the #1 worst trade in the history of the NHL though...
That or when the Pens traded Markus Naslund away for Alek Stojanov.
Still Phil Kessel for Tyler Seguin and possibly another top 3 pick in this years draft... On top Boston dodged having to pay Kessel his new contract. If Boston ends up getting Adam Larsson, Hopkins, or Courtier in this draft with the Toronto pick I will laugh my ass off.
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Lindros was traded for based upon his prospect status -everyone in the league seemed to know he was on the block and Quebec simply took the best deal available.
See Lindros had an excellent junior career -however his playing style was not conducive to longevity in the NHL -actually what it was conducive to was for having a predilection for acquiring concussions.
In fact he was being called the Next One at the time and hyped to the moon (anyone with hockey cards from that era would know it ...) it is also what really turns me off from the marketing hype. . . (and while I won't at this point ever agree with your prediction that Crosby might end up being one of the top 15 players of all time -I wouldn't even agree that he would be one of the top 15 forwards of all time at this stage... too much history in the NHL -and that is really a hell of a career if it ever were to happen). . .
I will agree that he would be in the top 5 of all time hyped and marketed players. Daigle would be another one ... all three of those guys are up there in that regard -which all that really does is reflect on the league's marketing strategy of the Gary Bettman era. . . in other words, trying to be the NBA.
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However, how exactly does anyone break down a trade that was a salary dump and largely involving prospects in return? Forget it - not worth even responding to - just more bored guys' writings ( there is a distinction between the odd messageboard post and a blog, and a column in a paper that someone gets paid for - but I suppose in the end it is actually all about the same thing. ) . But you don't usually get what you pay for in a lot of cases.
See Lindros had an excellent junior career -however his playing style was not conducive to longevity in the NHL -actually what it was conducive to was for having a predilection for acquiring concussions.
In fact he was being called the Next One at the time and hyped to the moon (anyone with hockey cards from that era would know it ...) it is also what really turns me off from the marketing hype. . . (and while I won't at this point ever agree with your prediction that Crosby might end up being one of the top 15 players of all time -I wouldn't even agree that he would be one of the top 15 forwards of all time at this stage... too much history in the NHL -and that is really a hell of a career if it ever were to happen). . .
I will agree that he would be in the top 5 of all time hyped and marketed players. Daigle would be another one ... all three of those guys are up there in that regard -which all that really does is reflect on the league's marketing strategy of the Gary Bettman era. . . in other words, trying to be the NBA.
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However, how exactly does anyone break down a trade that was a salary dump and largely involving prospects in return? Forget it - not worth even responding to - just more bored guys' writings ( there is a distinction between the odd messageboard post and a blog, and a column in a paper that someone gets paid for - but I suppose in the end it is actually all about the same thing. ) . But you don't usually get what you pay for in a lot of cases.
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Lindros is probably the highest touted prospect in NHL history along with Crosby. Still Lindros did kind of live up to the hype, he was a dominant player with rare skills for a man of his size. The concussions slowed his career and limited his potential as well as cut his career short. I still think Eric Lindros deserves a spot in the Hockey Hall of Fame.
Also Lindros demanded a trade from Quebec because he did not want to live or play in a French City.
Also Lindros demanded a trade from Quebec because he did not want to live or play in a French City.
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If I remember correctly, Eric's mommy was key in Eric's demand for a trade. Mommy wanted him to go to a city where he could be marketable to make more $ in endorsements and whatnot.
As for Steeger - Stalberg/Paradis/DiDo/financial flexibility, I've never liked the idea of declaring winners or losers of a trade so early on...and I doubly dislike it when finances motivated said trade.
As for Steeger - Stalberg/Paradis/DiDo/financial flexibility, I've never liked the idea of declaring winners or losers of a trade so early on...and I doubly dislike it when finances motivated said trade.
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stalberg is my guy!!! **** versteeg
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money money money........good move for the hawks. period.
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Yep -I'm aware of that ... I'm just not sure how the Lindros trade was one of the worst in NHL history when pretty much every team in the league was lining up to throw a huge package of players/picks/money at the Nordiques.
It wasn't a bad trade when it happened for either side, and it was a trade that was going to be made because of Lindros' demands. Injuries are what dominated and ultimately ended Lindros' career (his brother's as well for that matter).
Quebec back then was getting loaded ... they annually got a top pick- had ones in Owen Nolan and Mats Sundin immediately before Lindros -so I don't know if it ever did work out the way that his family planned it. I'm sure he got his money -but he never won anything. Quebec/Colorado did however ... and the trade even further loaded an already loaded team...
It wasn't a bad trade when it happened for either side, and it was a trade that was going to be made because of Lindros' demands. Injuries are what dominated and ultimately ended Lindros' career (his brother's as well for that matter).
Quebec back then was getting loaded ... they annually got a top pick- had ones in Owen Nolan and Mats Sundin immediately before Lindros -so I don't know if it ever did work out the way that his family planned it. I'm sure he got his money -but he never won anything. Quebec/Colorado did however ... and the trade even further loaded an already loaded team...
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I guess I can see your point, but no doubt that trade made Colorado the powerhouse team it became, and had Philly not made the trade those assets that made Colorado an eventual Stanley Cup Championship contender every season would have made Philly that much better.
Food for thought: Did you know New York offered: Doug Weight, Tony Amonte, Alexei Kovalev, John Vanbiesbrouck, three first round draft picks (1993, 1994 & 1995) and $12 million for Lindros, but the league made the trade invalid. That would have been fucking crazy deal.
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Hawks win trade without a doubt IMO.
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Perfect example yesterday: 12:27 & 0 shots.
Quit pretending this guy is actually good because he isn't.
Quit pretending this guy is actually good because he isn't.
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The deal was about dumping the salary about Verseteeg which had to be done.
The only measure of the trade that matters is what Stallberg, DiDomenico, and Paradis do for the Hawks over their career's or by trades effects if they are traded ever.
It isn't about WINNING, it's about getting good enough value back.
The only measure of the trade that matters is what Stallberg, DiDomenico, and Paradis do for the Hawks over their career's or by trades effects if they are traded ever.
It isn't about WINNING, it's about getting good enough value back.
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I don't think so. DiDomenico is a turd. Paradis isn't that good.
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Make that 9 of 13.
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Again, no we didn't.
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