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You'e correct.

Can'tler was horrendously mediocre with the added benefit of turning the ball over more than any other player.

My mistake.

Does that change where we're at vis a vis our QBing situation in Chicago really?

Hey, I am the guy who has said on many occasions the guy had a solid yr in 2013 in my opinion. I just thought he looked to have taken a clear step back in 2014, and his accuracy was clearly worse imho.

I think the entire team took a step back due to shitty coaching to be honest.

as far as where are we qb wise the bears are setting in a pretty good spot we have cutler here to hold down the spot until the next guy is found.
 

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He was surrounded by exceptional talent the last two seasons and did nothing with it. He actually regressed.

exceptional? wow what a word for the mediocrity that was the Bear receivers. Brandon Marshall, got his catches, Alshon Jeffrey's got his catches as long as Brandon Marshall was in the game. now who was that next exceptional talent WR? Who was it? Jeffrey was mediocre when Marshall went out. I know I know Cutler should have made him run better routes and actually catch footballs, but who was that next exceptional receiver? Oh yeah the Bear running back. the player Cutler had to drop the ball off to because the other exceptional talented receivers were so wide open cause they knew how to run routes. LMAO. The lunacy that is a Bear fan cutler hater.

Look, again, Cutler needs to be a better QB, no question, but I expect better talent for him to utilize to make improvements, and no matter what you say the word exceptional is far from this team.
 

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All we want is for a Qb to lead, have a winning attitude and always give a chance to win, no matter the score. Then they "wont be treated like a sacrificial lamb upon arrival"

All I want is a head coach who knows how to handle both an offense and a defense. We've haven't had one since 1985.
 

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exceptional? wow what a word for the mediocrity that was the Bear receivers. Brandon Marshall, got his catches, Alshon Jeffrey's got his catches as long as Brandon Marshall was in the game. now who was that next exceptional talent WR? Who was it? Jeffrey was mediocre when Marshall went out. I know I know Cutler should have made him run better routes and actually catch footballs, but who was that next exceptional receiver? Oh yeah the Bear running back. the player Cutler had to drop the ball off to because the other exceptional talented receivers were so wide open cause they knew how to run routes. LMAO. The lunacy that is a Bear fan cutler hater.

Look, again, Cutler needs to be a better QB, no question, but I expect better talent for him to utilize to make improvements, and no matter what you say the word exceptional is far from this team.

If only he had pro-bowl caliber WR's and a TE who could lead the league in receptions at their position and one of the best all-purpose RB's. It's a shame Cutler was surrounded by scrubs
 

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All I want is a head coach who knows how to handle both an offense and a defense. We've haven't had one since 1985.

We didn't have one in 85 either. Buddy Ryan didn't let Ditka have any input into the defense. The D was Buddy's guys and O Ditka's guys.
 

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So we as fans should lower the standard for good QB play because the previous QB's were so bad?
no, we should expect that a quality HC actually show up here and coach. It would be a nice thing to see. Maybe Fox is that guy, it will be debated over the course of the next year. But this organization is so messed up it isn't funny, and why the last management group was fired, as was the previous group under Lovie. Lovie Smith, the HC that knows jack sh1t about offense. wouldn't know what an offense was if it ran him over. Again, I couldn't careless who the QB is, Cutler could go and I'd be fine with it, I'm looking for improvement at all areas of the team, not one. That's the difference between me and you I supposed, I can recognize the limited resources on this team to say they are a good team. There is no I in team, and Cutler is not the reason why the last two years, the defense couldn't tackle or stop an opposing offense. it was offensive to watch the Bear defense the last two years. OFFENSIVE!!
 

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We didn't have one in 85 either. Buddy Ryan didn't let Ditka have any input into the defense. The D was Buddy's guys and O Ditka's guys.

but Ditka stayed out of his way and let him run a damn quality defensive. Best I've ever seen. Ever!!!!
 

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If only he had pro-bowl caliber WR's and a TE who could lead the league in receptions at their position and one of the best all-purpose RB's. It's a shame Cutler was surrounded by scrubs
i agree it is a shame. To spend that much money on your QB and not be ready with a corresponding receiver corp is pathetic. BM was good but wasn't the best, limited separation, Jeffery mostly good while BM present. Forte was the drop off back as a result. Bennett was good at times, but limited in his abilities as well. Again, he was a TE and not a wide receiver. I was looking for the exceptional WR corp the Bears put out on the field every game. I didn't see one. I saw good plays by two receivers, a few from the TE and many catches from a RB.
 

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no, we should expect that a quality HC actually show up here and coach. It would be a nice thing to see. Maybe Fox is that guy, it will be debated over the course of the next year. But this organization is so messed up it isn't funny, and why the last management group was fired, as was the previous group under Lovie. Lovie Smith, the HC that knows jack sh1t about offense. wouldn't know what an offense was if it ran him over. Again, I couldn't careless who the QB is, Cutler could go and I'd be fine with it, I'm looking for improvement at all areas of the team, not one. That's the difference between me and you I supposed, I can recognize the limited resources on this team to say they are a good team. There is no I in team, and Cutler is not the reason why the last two years, the defense couldn't tackle or stop an opposing offense. it was offensive to watch the Bear defense the last two years. OFFENSIVE!!

Very nice deflect considering the post I was responding to had nothing to do with the coaching...but I'll roll with it. Yes the coaching has been bad, last year Trestman had zero control of the team, when Tucker was first hired I had expressed from the get go whether he was the right hire because his defenses were traditionally bad. So I have never once claimed that coaching wasn't to be blamed. Last year was bad from the top down. But when posters throw out the "Cutler is the best we have ever seen" or what I was responding to "Cutler looks like Joe Montana compared to what we had and what's available. Get over yourself....." Its basically fans saying it's ok to settle for mediocrity at the most important position in the game because the Bears have only had shitty play there in previous years.
 

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I love how Cutler is never responsible for his own decision making and performance to despbro and the rest of the Cutler nuthuggers. It's always someone else that's to blame for Cutler continuing to make boneheaded mistakes and failing to realize all that potential.

Is it Cutler's fault he threw the ball directly into the belly of the NT to lose the Bills game? Nope, it's all on Trestman because he apparently is controlling Cutler like a game of Madden and forcing him to make Special person decisions and inaccurate throws...:bizarro:

What a joke.

Good players transcend systems and make the players around them better. But in Cutler's case it's the exact opposite. He apparently needs a top 5 defense, HOF players at every position around him on offense, a HOF coaching staff, and also needs to to be game planned out of the game as much as possible in an effort to minimize his mental mistakes.

The Bears essentially paid $126 million for a guy that needs to be coddled and game planned around like he's some scrub rookie. WHAT A DEAL!!!

In hindsight they would of been better off just keeping Orton. It's not like Cutler brings anything special to the table.
again, me, Cutler played like crap last year, no argument from me. Some of the crap was his fault and some was not. I'll leave it there.
 

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i agree it is a shame. To spend that much money on your QB and not be ready with a corresponding receiver corp is pathetic. BM was good but wasn't the best, limited separation, Jeffery mostly good while BM present. Forte was the drop off back as a result. Bennett was good at times, but limited in his abilities as well. Again, he was a TE and not a wide receiver. I was looking for the exceptional WR corp the Bears put out on the field every game. I didn't see one. I saw good plays by two receivers, a few from the TE and many catches from a RB.

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Marshall and Jeffery both made the pro-bowl the year before and were considered one of the top WR duos in the league. To say Cutler lacked talent at the WR position is plain stupid. He had 4 pass catchers (2WR's, 1TE, and 1RB) that any QB would kill to have.
 

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Very nice deflect considering the post I was responding to had nothing to do with the coaching...but I'll roll with it. Yes the coaching has been bad, last year Trestman had zero control of the team, when Tucker was first hired I had expressed from the get go whether he was the right hire because his defenses were traditionally bad. So I have never once claimed that coaching wasn't to be blamed. Last year was bad from the top down. But when posters throw out the "Cutler is the best we have ever seen" or what I was responding to "Cutler looks like Joe Montana compared to what we had and what's available. Get over yourself....." Its basically fans saying it's ok to settle for mediocrity at the most important position in the game because the Bears have only had shitty play there in previous years.
Ok, but I don't think the fans who make those statements are necessarily stating that it's ok to suck as well. There are areas of Cutler's game that are very new to this fan base. He messes up more than anyone would like. Anyone. Now, who gets the blame can be all over the place on this team, for bad football. The Bears are like the National Conference version of the Cleveland Browns except that the Bears won one, the last game of the year in 1985. After that victory, the Bears are the Cleveland Browns. Can't coach, can't draft, can't pick out FAs worth a damn, once in a while they actually draft an exceptional player or two, but not enough. Every trade ends up falling on its face for the most part. Sounds eerily similar to the Browns. Browns couldn't win with Bernie Kozart, probably one of the best they've ever had, had Archie Griffin at RB for a while couldn't win. Face it, the culture of the Bears is losing big games except once in the SB era. I hate it, it drives me nuts. Cutler is just another one of those players, they bring in and fails. It is who they are.
 

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Marshall and Jeffery both made the pro-bowl the year before and were considered one of the top WR duos in the league. To say Cutler lacked talent at the WR position is plain stupid. He had 4 pass catchers (2WR's, 1TE, and 1RB) that any QB would kill to have.

So what, that doesn't mean they played like that in 2014. They were rewarded for their fine efforts in 2013. That's it. They were both mediocre at best in 2014. And that wasn't because of Cutler.
 

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Marshall and Jeffery both made the pro-bowl the year before and were considered one of the top WR duos in the league. To say Cutler lacked talent at the WR position is plain stupid. He had 4 pass catchers (2WR's, 1TE, and 1RB) that any QB would kill to have.
And again, a team needs more than two WRs to make a difference in big games. It's too bad you can't figure that out.
 

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So what, that doesn't mean they played like that in 2014. They were rewarded for their fine efforts in 2013. That's it. They were both mediocre at best in 2014. And that wasn't because of Cutler.

You admitted that Cutler stinked last year 3 posts above this...So if the person responsible for getting the ball to the pro-bowl WR's is playing like crap, how do you think that will effect the play of the WR's? It's simple math
 

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And again, a team needs more than two WRs to make a difference in big games. It's too bad you can't figure that out.

Most of the time they need great QB play...which never seems to be the case with Cutler
 

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Ok, but I don't think the fans who make those statements are necessarily stating that it's ok to suck as well. There are areas of Cutler's game that are very new to this fan base. He messes up more than anyone would like. Anyone. Now, who gets the blame can be all over the place on this team, for bad football. The Bears are like the National Conference version of the Cleveland Browns except that the Bears won one, the last game of the year in 1985. After that victory, the Bears are the Cleveland Browns. Can't coach, can't draft, can't pick out FAs worth a damn, once in a while they actually draft an exceptional player or two, but not enough. Every trade ends up falling on its face for the most part. Sounds eerily similar to the Browns. Browns couldn't win with Bernie Kozart, probably one of the best they've ever had, had Archie Griffin at RB for a while couldn't win. Face it, the culture of the Bears is losing big games except once in the SB era. I hate it, it drives me nuts. Cutler is just another one of those players, they bring in and fails. It is who they are.

I'm puzzled on what exactly that is....
 

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