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He seemed to utilize him better towards the end of the season
He seemed to utilize him better towards the end of the season
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When we completely changed our offensive scheme to compliment the run game because the pass game wasn't making the strides it should have(Mostly on mitch for that one), plus robinson/miller being injured played a part in it too.
The offense we ran weeks 1-14 is what Nagy wants to run, not the one we ran the final 4 weeks of the season.
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You keep repeating this claim.. Can you link where Nagy actually said this? I'd love to see where you're getting this from.
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I'd trade him for a low 3rd/high 4th. I think that's a realistic ask and gives Pace a real shot at finding a good develpmental player at NB, S, OL, TE that can fill in at a pinch. That's all we can really ask for at this stage.
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Actually paying attention when I watched the game. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out the offense was completely different after the rams game and Mitch’s struggles while trying to expand the playbook.
When did Nagy ever during the season give away any of his gameplay or scheming?
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So you pulled it straight out of your ass... Gotcha. [emoji108]
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Agreed, but one has to wonder how that affected the pass game. Is it a coincidence that the pass game was less explosive later in the season? Who knows...?
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Pace is on a ridiculous heater in the 5th round, compared to the rest of the league,
I wonder if that may influence his demands.
I wonder if that may influence his demands.
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I think with Howard it is about volume of carries.
He does not turn out chunk plays, so for him to be productive he needs more carries it takes 1-18 yard run to offset 2 bad runs. It takes 4-6 yard runs to do the same thing.
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I know, right? Pace can fill the roster with the 5ths he hits. I think Howard is worth a 4th to a team ready for him, but I'd take a 5th. It's not like Pace is going to use a 5th to get his Hunt-type, but this scouting staff sure makes good use of a 5th... which make me much more open to trading Howard.
I really wish Howard doesn't go down so easy when he gets foot and ankle contact... seems like Howard can work on that part of his game and balance... run through the shoreline water at the beach.
Howard does have good vision that zone blocking affords, but it's not easy for Nagy to incorporate the other plays into the disguises. It certainly seems like Howard rushes better with more carries, but it seems like the zone blocking has to be committed to, and some defenses are going to be up to the challenge by stacking the box. Can't expect magic there.
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Wasn’t Howard recently tied or leading the league in 20+ yards runs a year or two ago?
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I wonder whether he might be tempted more by two lower round picks, maybe even a 5th and a 6th, instead of a 4th. Gives him two shots at it or allows him to move up if he really likes someone.
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I think he had 2 this season and one was in week 17.
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Cool. That’s not at all what I asked.
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Jordan Howard 20+ yard runs
16: 10 tied for 3rd
17: 5
18: 5
So it doesn’t look like it is a Nagy created phenomenon.
16: 10 tied for 3rd
17: 5
18: 5
So it doesn’t look like it is a Nagy created phenomenon.
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I only give up Howard if we sign hunt. Howard’s value is much lower going into this next season compared to the last due to his production in this offense. MAYBE we would get a 4th or 5th now for him. But I’d hold him if that’s our best offer. We aren’t paying him anything right now.
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As much as I love me some Jordan Howard I am resigned to the fact he doesn't fit Nagy's scheme. In Fox's scheme (and I use the term lightly) you could depend on him to get 2 to 8 yards a carry. Howard is an old school running back and should be used as a battering ram for a team that wants to set up the pass with the run. Nagy, however, wants a scalpel.
Had the Bears gone farther in the playoffs I think his value would be higher but right now I think a 4th would be the best one could expect.
Had the Bears gone farther in the playoffs I think his value would be higher but right now I think a 4th would be the best one could expect.
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And if he averages 3.7YPC next season again while hurting the pass game he really shouldn't be on the team.
That's what a lot of people in here don't really understand(Not saying you are one). Howard is a good back, but he is a bad fit. Ideally we should have found a replacement to groom in the draft last year since we all heard the rumors of a howard trade even a year back, and knew he wouldn't be a fit. Unfortunately, Nagy had to try to make him fit into the offense. Selling low is better than never being able to sell, and I'm pretty confident we could get a 5th if not a 4th for Howard.
If we keep just pushing howard out there hoping for the best we are more often than not going to get the worst. I don't know the solution to our RB issues, but Howard isn't the answer.
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Not a question of bad RBs. Some guys are better hitting the hole as designed. Others are better cutting back. That was how Shanny was able to churn out 1,000 yard runners as he would find the one cut guys.