What The Fahrenheit?

[BigPete]

If it is man made we can take steps to save it. If it is a natural occurrence, then what? My point argument is it just might be the natural cycle of the planet. If it becomes uninhabitable for humans, well we had a good run. I mean some time in the future this planet will get ate up by the son so Earth will not be here forever. The life cycle of Earth won't even register on the universal scale. Okay I started rambling.



Basically this might be the natural cycle and if then do we try to halt it? What unintended consequences will that have?

The hockey stick graph suggests otherwise. Now a critique of the original report is agreeing with that very same hockey stick.



All you have to do is look around though and see how much smoke, haze, smog, pollution there is near urban areas. It didn't come from some alternate plane of existance you know.

 

[BigPete]

Quick!!! Someone find the next Solyndra!!

Forget the politics, what is wrong with solar power on a mass scale?

 

[BigPete]

The hockey stick graph suggests otherwise. Now a critic of the original report is agreeing with that very same hockey stick.



All you have to do is look around though and see how much smoke, haze, smog, pollution there is near urban areas. It didn't come from some alternate plane of existance you know.

 

[winos5]

If it is man made we can take steps to save it. If it is a natural occurrence, then what? My point argument is it just might be the natural cycle of the planet. If it becomes uninhabitable for humans, well we had a good run. I mean some time in the future this planet will get ate up by the son so Earth will not be here forever. The life cycle of Earth won't even register on the universal scale. Okay I started rambling.



Basically this might be the natural cycle and if then do we try to halt it? What unintended consequences will that have?

Polar bears are drowning, glaciers are melting, the Maldives are sinking into the sea, I got a killer sunburn earlier this summer and I worry about my skin cancer risk (pass me a cigarette by the way). Wake up man we are as good as dead!!!!!!!

 

[Tater]

Forget the politics, what is wrong with solar power on a mass scale?

Nothing wrong with it at all. I wish it was affordable right now.

Just let companies improve/produce it on their own, not by pissing away my tax money on it.

I wish THEY would leave the politics and hand-outs to lobbyists out of it.

 

[MassHavoc]

We have fought too damn long, too damn hard, and lost too many damn lives, to give up all that oil in the middle east now for a pipe dream of solar energy that the energy haven't corner the market on yet...







who am I kidding, politicians don't care about other peoples kids.

 

[supraman]

The hockey stick graph suggests otherwise. Now a critique of the original report is agreeing with that very same hockey stick.



All you have to do is look around though and see how much smoke, haze, smog, pollution there is near urban areas. It didn't come from some alternate plane of existance you know.

Prove to me that this smoke, haze, and smog is leading to temperature change. The hockey stick graph goes back to 1000 AD whoopdy do. Again go back farther when there was dramatic climate change that occurred naturally and compare the data.

 

[winos5]

Prove to me that this smoke, haze, and smog is leading to temperature change. The hockey stick graph goes back to 1000 AD whoopdy do. Again go back farther when there was dramatic climate change that occurred naturally and compare the data.

Don't have too. The fossil record that supports natural selection/evolutuion shows wide swings in Earth's climate without the benefit of anthropomorphic climate change theory.

 

[MassHavoc]

It's funny, it's as circular as the other argument we like to have here.



Show me where the temperature change is guaranteed to be man made.

Look at all the Smog, and bad stuff in the air, looks what we are doing to the planet, the temperature is rising

Well look at the fossil records that show that there were temperature swings before all the smog.

Prove to me that there is supposed to be a natural rise in temperature now and that it's not the smog and bad stuff?

 

[winos5]

I'd rather try to convert someone to christianity.

 

[BigPete]

It's funny, it's as circular as the other argument we like to have here.



Show me where the temperature change is guaranteed to be man made.

Look at all the Smog, and bad stuff in the air, looks what we are doing to the planet, the temperature is rising

Well look at the fossil records that show that there were temperature swings before all the smog.

Prove to me that there is supposed to be a natural rise in temperature now and that it's not the smog and bad stuff?

Stop pulling down NHTA's pants and exposing it's ass.

 

[winos5]

CERN Study



Same study, different article



Various quotes regarding this study



The cloud study was to determine the effect of cosmic rays on cloud formation and climate.

 

[roshinaya]

Whether climate change is man-made or not is really pointless in a larger scheme. The current way we are running shit on this planet is unsustainable, be it the use if finite and polluting fossil fuels, the pollution of water, over-fishing or destruction of forests to meet the food demands of an ever-growing population, the fact of the matter is with the current way we are slowly killing ourselves. Instead of bickering about dumb irrelevant shit shouldn't we as a species start figuring out how to tackle these problems?

 

[winos5]

Soylent Green





I'd love to see a remake of this classic 70s sci-fi movie. One of my favs growing up.

 

[winos5]

Skeptical Professor (who was part of the study) attacks Muller's conclusions. Global Warming has infact stopped. There has been no siginificant change in the last decade according to graphs presented in the BEST study.



So apparently the debate rages on.



Oh and yet another Atlantic/Gulf Hurricane season that did not live up to dire predictions sneaks by us.

 

[winos5]

Climategate 2.0



East Anglia University hacked again.



For those that don't like Fox news. Guardian UK article.



Looks like it is more stuff being released from the original hack.

 

[jakobeast]

They were close with the number of storms predicted.

 

[winos5]

They were close with the number of storms predicted.

Are you referring to the Gulf/Atlantic Hurricane season that didn't live up to the hype again.

 

[LordKOTL]

Whether climate change is man-made or not is really pointless in a larger scheme. The current way we are running shit on this planet is unsustainable, be it the use if finite and polluting fossil fuels, the pollution of water, over-fishing or destruction of forests to meet the food demands of an ever-growing population, the fact of the matter is with the current way we are slowly killing ourselves. Instead of bickering about dumb irrelevant shit shouldn't we as a species start figuring out how to tackle these problems?

Exactly, but you say that like it is a problem. Life wll exist for a long time after we're gone.

 

[winos5]

Scientists admit they can't forcast Hurricanes seasons accurately and decide to quit annual forcasts.