What trade would be most ideal for the Bulls this season?

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They'd love Dougie in Utah. Pau would not re-sign but the Jazz would go into the trade knowing that and would essentially be saving 7 mil or so in cap. Doug/Niko are building pieces and the future picks (Kings pick, 2016 1st, 2018 1st) could help them rebuild as they're obviously not challenging anybody in the West right now. It's an extremely long shot and won't happen but that's how I would sell it.

The Jazz are likely the 8th seed so they could use Gasol as a nice rental. But the best the Bulls could ever get in return in a second round pick probably. They can always try and sell them but stepping down from Hayward who is a real nice two way, all-around player to Dougie is just not realistically going to happen.
 

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If the Bulls could somehow position themselves to scoop up Batum in free agency, that'd be pretty damn amazing.

He's a shooter and a defensive player with all-around skills. The perfect fit for the Bulls between Butler at the 2 and Gibson/Mirotic/Portis holding down their front line.
 

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If the Bulls could somehow position themselves to scoop up Batum in free agency, that'd be pretty damn amazing.

He's a shooter and a defensive player with all-around skills. The perfect fit for the Bulls between Butler at the 2 and Gibson/Mirotic/Portis holding down their front line.

I think they should have enough money with Noah/gasol expiring and the cap going up. Can't say for certain though.
 

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I think they should have enough money with Noah/gasol expiring and the cap going up. Can't say for certain though.

It might just be worth standing pat.

5- Gibson
4- Portis+Mirotic
3- Batum+Dunleavy+McDermott+Snell
2- Butler
1- Rose

I'd see them as a solid team in all three areas: offense, defense, rebounding. And at every position. I'd slide Batum up to the 4 to play small.
 

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I really hope the Bulls don't plan to re-sign Gasol. I'd be happy with:

Rose/vet or draft pick
Jimmy/mdj/snell
Batum/doug
Niko/taj
Bobby/vet or draft pick

I think that would be more suitable for Hoiball. Bobby would just need to get a little stronger.
 

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Gibson, Mirotic, Portis front line would get pounded inside. Jesus. Why the hell do you guys want to trade Gasol?

He is a top 5 center and if your math analytics say otherwise they are too boxy and aren't being interpreted or equations formed by smart enough people.

Fucktards man. Gasol is phenomenal. You guys are insane. You want the best player at every position.

I'm loving Mirotic at the SF spit. He is extra long and it's a good spot to develop him into a starter. He gives you versatility because he can guard 4's with length and can grow to guard 5's by adding strength and small ball 5's already.

We also have Snell, and we are damn lucky to have a scoring machine in Doug at back up SF. All you guys do is clamor for a SF and we have like 5 guys that can play the position. We have a nearly perfectly balanced roster, and are in waiting mode to see how good Rose can get. That's how good we will be, no more, no less.

It's all on Rose and with his contract that's how it should be. It isn't the worst position to be in in the NBA, accept it. We don't have much to trade that wouldn't hurt us that could bring anything back. We are frustratingly stagnant but you have to just accept it and move on. We are much better than most of you realize. That makes this process even more frustrating.

You have your star players, and then you have to build role players around them that compliment them. This front office has done a fantastic job of that.

You trade Noah because he is a poor fit to his teammates and system. A future second is fine, he has very little value to this NBA. He might be worth his salary though, and if he gives us a defensive tool and emotional edge and teaches Portis things than maybe he should stay here and give us that competitive edge of unfinished business against our gravest enemies.

Gibson is playing too well. If Sacramento blew up their ship I would be ok with trying to acquire *** or Cousins at fair value.

The best thing for us is to roll the continuity card and stick together. Gasol looks like he is starting to enjoy his teammates at times, maybe he stays. ?? We should sign him if he wants to, he impacts the game in many ways. He is an all star and fucking awesome. I love his game.

Who are you people? Unless you can acquire Durant, Westbrook, Cousins, or other players who play beyond max contract value you can't improve this team.

We have a rare opportunity if the Kings can pick 12th or so, and give us something for Deng. For that reason I would trade Noah for a second, and Snell, to stockpile picks if you could even get that for them. If not keep them.

All ammo we can acquire to add that SF or future PG in that 5-10 lottery range on a trade up from Kings pick, because other than free agency where we may have a max slot to offer in the void of Noah and Gasol if they walk, that is our only chance at significant improvement.

Our other stock is in the development of Portis, Mirotic, and McDermott.

Another reason to get what value you can for Noah, Gibson, Snell. If the previous 3 can't fill that void, then you failed. Or you roll with what you got.


Look, the Rose situation is very frustrating, particularly because of how he views his own value. And **** it all to hell because he might actually get his value to return to near max value just as this contract expires. Lol. What can you do?

You either pay him his value or let him walk. It comes down to if you believe he can be part of the championship formula at his value point. We don't have to make that decision today, so don't.

The front office job is to give us the best chance at success and u think they have just about done that.

Trading something with actual value like Mirotic...I mean that's the real tough decision they have to make. We have too many high end role player bodies for a trio of superstars that are just a tiche low end, because of Roses health.

I say believe in what we have. If Gasol walks then we have money. Try to keep him unless you can get Cousins in free agency. Dunleavy was a stupid contract to complicate things given the young players behind him.

Is Noah leadership worth his value in expiring contract because he has no basketball value in this NBA?

Look we are stuck with this group, but it's a good group. I wish you would spend your time supporting the chance we have rather than bitching about things we don't, so I don't have to waste my time on a pointless tirade of backlash.

You make me sick, spineless quiting jellyfish without a clue.
 

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I see someone didn't take their meds today. Deep breaths, bud. It's going to be ok.
 

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I bet the Thunder and Clippers would throw the Bulls a 1st for Gasol if the trade is possible by league rules.

I'd say so although the pick obtained would be a very low one. Perhaps they can do a sign and trade deal and get someone who could actually help?
 

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Gibson, Mirotic, Portis front line would get pounded inside. Jesus. Why the hell do you guys want to trade Gasol?

He is a top 5 center and if your math analytics say otherwise they are too boxy and aren't being interpreted or equations formed by smart enough people.

Fucktards man. Gasol is phenomenal. You guys are insane. You want the best player at every position.

I'm loving Mirotic at the SF spit. He is extra long and it's a good spot to develop him into a starter. He gives you versatility because he can guard 4's with length and can grow to guard 5's by adding strength and small ball 5's already.

We also have Snell, and we are damn lucky to have a scoring machine in Doug at back up SF. All you guys do is clamor for a SF and we have like 5 guys that can play the position. We have a nearly perfectly balanced roster, and are in waiting mode to see how good Rose can get. That's how good we will be, no more, no less.

It's all on Rose and with his contract that's how it should be. It isn't the worst position to be in in the NBA, accept it. We don't have much to trade that wouldn't hurt us that could bring anything back. We are frustratingly stagnant but you have to just accept it and move on. We are much better than most of you realize. That makes this process even more frustrating.

You have your star players, and then you have to build role players around them that compliment them. This front office has done a fantastic job of that.

You trade Noah because he is a poor fit to his teammates and system. A future second is fine, he has very little value to this NBA. He might be worth his salary though, and if he gives us a defensive tool and emotional edge and teaches Portis things than maybe he should stay here and give us that competitive edge of unfinished business against our gravest enemies.

Gibson is playing too well. If Sacramento blew up their ship I would be ok with trying to acquire *** or Cousins at fair value.

The best thing for us is to roll the continuity card and stick together. Gasol looks like he is starting to enjoy his teammates at times, maybe he stays. ?? We should sign him if he wants to, he impacts the game in many ways. He is an all star and fucking awesome. I love his game.

Who are you people? Unless you can acquire Durant, Westbrook, Cousins, or other players who play beyond max contract value you can't improve this team.

We have a rare opportunity if the Kings can pick 12th or so, and give us something for Deng. For that reason I would trade Noah for a second, and Snell, to stockpile picks if you could even get that for them. If not keep them.

All ammo we can acquire to add that SF or future PG in that 5-10 lottery range on a trade up from Kings pick, because other than free agency where we may have a max slot to offer in the void of Noah and Gasol if they walk, that is our only chance at significant improvement.

Our other stock is in the development of Portis, Mirotic, and McDermott.

Another reason to get what value you can for Noah, Gibson, Snell. If the previous 3 can't fill that void, then you failed. Or you roll with what you got.


Look, the Rose situation is very frustrating, particularly because of how he views his own value. And **** it all to hell because he might actually get his value to return to near max value just as this contract expires. Lol. What can you do?

You either pay him his value or let him walk. It comes down to if you believe he can be part of the championship formula at his value point. We don't have to make that decision today, so don't.

The front office job is to give us the best chance at success and u think they have just about done that.

Trading something with actual value like Mirotic...I mean that's the real tough decision they have to make. We have too many high end role player bodies for a trio of superstars that are just a tiche low end, because of Roses health.

I say believe in what we have. If Gasol walks then we have money. Try to keep him unless you can get Cousins in free agency. Dunleavy was a stupid contract to complicate things given the young players behind him.

Is Noah leadership worth his value in expiring contract because he has no basketball value in this NBA?

Look we are stuck with this group, but it's a good group. I wish you would spend your time supporting the chance we have rather than bitching about things we don't, so I don't have to waste my time on a pointless tirade of backlash.

You make me sick, spineless quiting jellyfish without a clue.

Jellyfish can kill someone if they are not careful around them. Calling Gasol "phenomenal" is pretty fucking hilarious:)
 

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I really hope the Bulls don't plan to re-sign Gasol. I'd be happy with:

Rose/vet or draft pick
Jimmy/mdj/snell
Batum/doug
Niko/taj
Bobby/vet or draft pick

I think that would be more suitable for Hoiball. Bobby would just need to get a little stronger.
I could get behind that lineup. Batum would be a pretty solid pick up. He's had a nice bounce back year in Charlotte as their second option behind Kemba. I think he'd be a good fit for Hoiball. It also gives us 3 ball handlers in the starting group who can create on the perimeter which is great.
 

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Bulls should start prepping toward a rebuilding phase

as we stands now we have a few nice pieces in Jimmy/Portis/Niko/McDermott that will help our transition to a new core

outside of the ones i named i don't think anybody is worth keeping
 

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Gibson, Mirotic, Portis front line would get pounded inside. Jesus. Why the hell do you guys want to trade Gasol?

He is a top 5 center and if your math analytics say otherwise they are too boxy and aren't being interpreted or equations formed by smart enough people.

Fucktards man. Gasol is phenomenal. You guys are insane. You want the best player at every position.

I'm loving Mirotic at the SF spit. He is extra long and it's a good spot to develop him into a starter. He gives you versatility because he can guard 4's with length and can grow to guard 5's by adding strength and small ball 5's already.

We also have Snell, and we are damn lucky to have a scoring machine in Doug at back up SF. All you guys do is clamor for a SF and we have like 5 guys that can play the position. We have a nearly perfectly balanced roster, and are in waiting mode to see how good Rose can get. That's how good we will be, no more, no less.

It's all on Rose and with his contract that's how it should be. It isn't the worst position to be in in the NBA, accept it. We don't have much to trade that wouldn't hurt us that could bring anything back. We are frustratingly stagnant but you have to just accept it and move on. We are much better than most of you realize. That makes this process even more frustrating.

You have your star players, and then you have to build role players around them that compliment them. This front office has done a fantastic job of that.

You trade Noah because he is a poor fit to his teammates and system. A future second is fine, he has very little value to this NBA. He might be worth his salary though, and if he gives us a defensive tool and emotional edge and teaches Portis things than maybe he should stay here and give us that competitive edge of unfinished business against our gravest enemies.

Gibson is playing too well. If Sacramento blew up their ship I would be ok with trying to acquire *** or Cousins at fair value.

The best thing for us is to roll the continuity card and stick together. Gasol looks like he is starting to enjoy his teammates at times, maybe he stays. ?? We should sign him if he wants to, he impacts the game in many ways. He is an all star and fucking awesome. I love his game.

Who are you people? Unless you can acquire Durant, Westbrook, Cousins, or other players who play beyond max contract value you can't improve this team.

We have a rare opportunity if the Kings can pick 12th or so, and give us something for Deng. For that reason I would trade Noah for a second, and Snell, to stockpile picks if you could even get that for them. If not keep them.

All ammo we can acquire to add that SF or future PG in that 5-10 lottery range on a trade up from Kings pick, because other than free agency where we may have a max slot to offer in the void of Noah and Gasol if they walk, that is our only chance at significant improvement.

Our other stock is in the development of Portis, Mirotic, and McDermott.

Another reason to get what value you can for Noah, Gibson, Snell. If the previous 3 can't fill that void, then you failed. Or you roll with what you got.


Look, the Rose situation is very frustrating, particularly because of how he views his own value. And **** it all to hell because he might actually get his value to return to near max value just as this contract expires. Lol. What can you do?

You either pay him his value or let him walk. It comes down to if you believe he can be part of the championship formula at his value point. We don't have to make that decision today, so don't.

The front office job is to give us the best chance at success and u think they have just about done that.

Trading something with actual value like Mirotic...I mean that's the real tough decision they have to make. We have too many high end role player bodies for a trio of superstars that are just a tiche low end, because of Roses health.

I say believe in what we have. If Gasol walks then we have money. Try to keep him unless you can get Cousins in free agency. Dunleavy was a stupid contract to complicate things given the young players behind him.

Is Noah leadership worth his value in expiring contract because he has no basketball value in this NBA?

Look we are stuck with this group, but it's a good group. I wish you would spend your time supporting the chance we have rather than bitching about things we don't, so I don't have to waste my time on a pointless tirade of backlash.

You make me sick, spineless quiting jellyfish without a clue.

Well said brotha. But I almost want the Bulls to trade Gasol so I can see who these meatball Bulls fans unfairly blame next as the scapegoat holding the team down.


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Gibson, Mirotic, Portis front line would get pounded inside. Jesus. Why the hell do you guys want to trade Gasol?

Gasol gets pounded inside plenty against the elite bigs. The Bulls' defense improves by default without Gasol because of his inability to play transition defense and defend the pick and roll.

He is a top 5 center and if your math analytics say otherwise they are too boxy and aren't being interpreted or equations formed by smart enough people.

Borderline top 5. Cousins, Horford, Drummond, Whiteside, Towns, Jefferson, Dwight Howard, Jordan, Duncan, and his brother are all right there with him.

Fucktards man. Gasol is phenomenal. You guys are insane. You want the best player at every position.

I didn't see anybody in this thread talking about Curry, Harden, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, or Cousins. So I'm not sure where this rage is coming from.

I'm loving Mirotic at the SF spit. He is extra long and it's a good spot to develop him into a starter. He gives you versatility because he can guard 4's with length and can grow to guard 5's by adding strength and small ball 5's already.

I'm not at all. The Bulls' offense and defense have both been better with Mirotic at the PF position this season. The statistics speak for themselves.

We also have Snell, and we are damn lucky to have a scoring machine in Doug at back up SF. All you guys do is clamor for a SF and we have like 5 guys that can play the position. We have a nearly perfectly balanced roster, and are in waiting mode to see how good Rose can get. That's how good we will be, no more, no less.

McDermott is terrible on defense. Snell is pretty okay on defense and is a one dimensional spot up shooter on offense and brings nothing much else to the table. Dunleavy being healthy was their only chance to be solid at the 3 and now he's out.

It's all on Rose and with his contract that's how it should be. It isn't the worst position to be in in the NBA, accept it. We don't have much to trade that wouldn't hurt us that could bring anything back. We are frustratingly stagnant but you have to just accept it and move on. We are much better than most of you realize. That makes this process even more frustrating.

Better than most of CCS realizes or not, the Bulls have basically zero percent chance at a championship this season. The Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs are all clearly better than the Bulls by a long shot. They have a logjam at between the 4 and 5 positions right now and that needs to be addressed. They are paying a combined 35M this season for 4 players in those positions alone. If I have to choose between Portis and Gasol, I'm picking Portis. If I'm choosing between Mirotic and Gasol, I'm picking Mirotic. Between Gibson and Gasol, I'm picking the younger two-way player in Gibson.

You have your star players, and then you have to build role players around them that compliment them. This front office has done a fantastic job of that.

And now that they must realize that their fantastic job wasn't quite good enough to reach the actual contending teams, they need to retool to give themselves a better chance at a championship within the next few years.

You trade Noah because he is a poor fit to his teammates and system. A future second is fine, he has very little value to this NBA. He might be worth his salary though, and if he gives us a defensive tool and emotional edge and teaches Portis things than maybe he should stay here and give us that competitive edge of unfinished business against our gravest enemies.

You were right about everything there until you said Noah might be worth his salary.

Gibson is playing too well. If Sacramento blew up their ship I would be ok with trying to acquire *** or Cousins at fair value.

Yes.

The best thing for us is to roll the continuity card and stick together. Gasol looks like he is starting to enjoy his teammates at times, maybe he stays. ?? We should sign him if he wants to, he impacts the game in many ways. He is an all star and fucking awesome. I love his game.

If resigning Gasol worth not signing a player like Batum in the offseason or a wing? I really don't think so. I love his game and what he brings to this team. But the Bulls need to see what Portis and Mirotic can contribute and continue their development as young players. Noah is an odd man out. And if it comes down to Gasol or Gibson, I'm keeping Gibson more likely than not seeing as though it just makes more sense from most schools of thought.

Who are you people? Unless you can acquire Durant, Westbrook, Cousins, or other players who play beyond max contract value you can't improve this team.

Bullshit.

We have a rare opportunity if the Kings can pick 12th or so, and give us something for Deng. For that reason I would trade Noah for a second, and Snell, to stockpile picks if you could even get that for them. If not keep them.


All ammo we can acquire to add that SF or future PG in that 5-10 lottery range on a trade up from Kings pick, because other than free agency where we may have a max slot to offer in the void of Noah and Gasol if they walk, that is our only chance at significant improvement.

Our other stock is in the development of Portis, Mirotic, and McDermott.

Another reason to get what value you can for Noah, Gibson, Snell. If the previous 3 can't fill that void, then you failed. Or you roll with what you got.


Look, the Rose situation is very frustrating, particularly because of how he views his own value. And **** it all to hell because he might actually get his value to return to near max value just as this contract expires. Lol. What can you do?

You either pay him his value or let him walk. It comes down to if you believe he can be part of the championship formula at his value point. We don't have to make that decision today, so don't.

Okay...

The front office job is to give us the best chance at success and u think they have just about done that.

Trading something with actual value like Mirotic...I mean that's the real tough decision they have to make. We have too many high end role player bodies for a trio of superstars that are just a tiche low end, because of Roses health.

I say believe in what we have. If Gasol walks then we have money. Try to keep him unless you can get Cousins in free agency. Dunleavy was a stupid contract to complicate things given the young players behind him.

Is Noah leadership worth his value in expiring contract because he has no basketball value in this NBA?

Look we are stuck with this group, but it's a good group. I wish you would spend your time supporting the chance we have rather than bitching about things we don't, so I don't have to waste my time on a pointless tirade of backlash.

You make me sick, spineless quiting jellyfish without a clue.

A lot of ranting and emotions goin' on...
 

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Rami's plan of action:

Try to trade Gasol and Noah for picks to inherit cap space in the offseason. And if you can't let them become URFA's.

Let Noah walk. Negotiate with Gasol if Batum if every decent starting caliber SF/wing signs elsewhere.

Sign a Kosta Koufos type to play the back-up 5.

Draft combo guards and wings.
 

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Eric Gordon doesn't play defense. Trust me. Sometimes he decides to play offense. Y'all can have him.
 

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Rami's plan of action:

Try to trade Gasol and Noah for picks to inherit cap space in the offseason. And if you can't let them become URFA's.

Let Noah walk. Negotiate with Gasol if Batum if every decent starting caliber SF/wing signs elsewhere.

Sign a Kosta Koufos type to play the back-up 5.

Draft combo guards and wings.

I like this plan.

There's a lot of third tier FA centers that we could take a look at. Ezeli, Motiejunas, Zaza, Mozgov, maybe even Noah if he would want to come back for a low $$ and low years.

Batum and Ezeli would go a very long way. Then draft the best wing or PG.
 

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Well said brotha. But I almost want the Bulls to trade Gasol so I can see who these meatball Bulls fans unfairly blame next as the scapegoat holding the team down.
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Bulls would certainty lose something on offesne but defensively i don't think you can win with him commanding the paint. sure if hes standing in front of the rim he can block shots....but if he has to move his feet? fahgettaboudit

every game Stacey is breaking out the bmo harris telestrator to show Gasol's lapses in the pick & roll
 

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Bulls would certainty lose something on offesne...but i defensively i don't think you can win with him commanding the paint. sure if he standing in front of the rim he can block shots.

but every game Stacey is breaking out bmo harris telestrator to show Gasol's lapses in the pick & roll

Gasol is in the "Bill Walton 1986 Celtics" part of his career. Realistically, he's not going to be good enough to be a starter with major minutes on a team that wins a championship. He has value but also clear weakness. He doesn't fit Hoiberg's offense because he's just not fast enough in transition. With Rose and Butler in the backcourt, this team should be constantly running uptempo. They simply can't with Gasol because it negates his value. With Portis, Mirotic, and Gibson though, I'd say they are much more ideal fits.
 

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Eric Gordon doesn't play defense. Trust me. Sometimes he decides to play offense. Y'all can have him.

He is capable. That is the most important thing. When nobody else on your team plays defense, it kind of has a corroding effect.
 

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