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Who is it you think they should have hired? Fox was the obvious choice for a whole slew of reasons. Trestman was an "upstart" coach. How did that work out?
What was the point of hiring John Fox going into rebuild mode?
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It seems to me no one wants to see the Bears as having playoff possibilities this year for fear of being called a kool aid drinking Pace homer.
The Bears significantly upgraded the DL with Hicks and sounding like Bullard. They went from the absolute worst ILB tandem in the NFL to arguably the best. OLB the same at worst. DB's are also at worst the same, and depending on Amos' improvement and Bush, et al, possibly better.
The O line is a question mark, but no more so than Leno, Slausen, skinny Grasu, Ducasse/Omameh, miscast Long. WR likely much better, QB same, RB a likely downgrade,but not off a cliff. TE is a train wreck, but last year's version of Bennett was meh.
Add to this going from a top 3 SOS schedule to bottom 5 and I don't see how playoffs should not be every fans expectation. The fact that Fox and Fangio could drive that Yugo to 6 wins and within 4 points or fewer in regulation of 5 more wins was quite an achievement.
I might be way off, but I know sure as fuck I am having more fun right now than the Eyeores on this board. And if they go 6-10, oh well, I would get no sense of satisfaction from #calledit, anyway.
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I understand what you are saying and if they had a job to put together the best ONE YEAR run in 2016 with what resources were available, those players would still be on the team. But, the Bears are looking to build their team through the draft and with young FA additions so they can have a team that has a competitive window for several years. 2016 is in no way the finished product (if it is, they failed). But with that said, I honestly do believe that Fox and Pace have it in their minds that they can make the playoffs this year. What they are going to use as reasoning is the fact that while the Bears were 6-10 last year, they played the toughest schedule and were competitive in those games. Fox was actually on the Boers and Bernstein show today and mentioned this.
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So the guy who only ended up coaching in Chicago because of the guy you said they shouldn't have hired?
We'll see how he ends up doing as a HC. To make another risky move with an upstart offensive minded coach after the one they just hired blew up in their face would seem highly questionable. Its a pretty big stretch to say hiring Gase would have been a better move.
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John Fox is an above average, underrated coach who has done well in his head coaching career. The Bears got extremely lucky he was let go, as he built a super bowl contending team.
Some people want the OC/DC HC route because it's exciting; personally I'm happy the Bears went with Fox.
The Bears were competitive in every game last season. That's great and a huge step. Expect this team to compete this coming season.
Some people want the OC/DC HC route because it's exciting; personally I'm happy the Bears went with Fox.
The Bears were competitive in every game last season. That's great and a huge step. Expect this team to compete this coming season.
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Right now, this team will not score 10 points a game. That defense better be able to shut a helluva lot of teams down. I say that 4-12 is probably where they are record wise.
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I will bet you 1,000 dollars that the Bears average more than 10 points a game this year. Deal?
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I want in on that.
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Playoffs certainly aren't out the realm of possibilities, but it's not the most likely scenario either. Having an easy schedule is great and all, but it could very well end up being the toughest... that's why i put little weight in to that. We just don't know.
People clamoring 4-12 (hawk) are on the extremely pessimistic side of the equation, people saying 10-6 (12-4 if you're desp) are on the extremely optimistic side of the equation... but like most things in life, reality will fall somewhere in between.
8-8 is a safe bet imo.
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Keep Fox around for this year because it is his second year and he always improves the team by his second year.
Then replace him with 91 year old (92 by then) Marv Levy ... just to piss off Optimus Prime.
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Fox is actually one of the better coaches in the league when it comes to rebuilding. He has been awful when his teams are expected to compete though. Look at what he did in Denver. He built that defense from the ground up. His teams in Carolina were also very good, but he could never get them over the hump. Fox is the perfect fit for what the Bears are trying to do right now which is to get a solid foundation in place. If that is successful, Fox will be shown the door (just like in Denver) and a new coach will be brought in that can hopefully put the team over the top.
It's no different than what Theo did with the Cubs. He went through a couple scrappy coaches that were more or less foreman just overseeing a demolition project and then when the new high rise was almost finished Theo went and got an interior design expert to put the finishing touches on the project.
It's no different than what Theo did with the Cubs. He went through a couple scrappy coaches that were more or less foreman just overseeing a demolition project and then when the new high rise was almost finished Theo went and got an interior design expert to put the finishing touches on the project.
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Carolina had a SB appearance with Fox, as did Denver. How is that not "getting a team over the hump"?
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Is OP suggesting that we can expect the rebuild to take 5 years? Cause thats absurd.
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Without John Fox there is no way that Vic Fangio would have come over and taken over a talentless mess of a defense.
That alone makes him a huge upgrade at HC.
That alone makes him a huge upgrade at HC.
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Ok.
That's fine. I wasn't disagreeing with the plan, I was simply stating what it is.
That's fine. If the Bears make the playoffs this year IMO they "sneak" in. If the plan goes as prescribed I think 2017 and 2018 are the years where the Bears make the playoffs because they "should" not because IMO, if they make it this year they kind of sneak in as a 9-7 2nd WC team.
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No.
Renteria was a first time MLB manager, Fox is a veteran coach with 2 SB appearances. The cubs fired Renteria after a 73-89 season when a once a decade or longer chance to hire a great manager materialized. The Bears are not going to fire Fox if he all but wins the Super Bowl. Thinking that the Bears hired Fox to just get the Bears back to a playoff contender and then replace him was spawned in No Clue Talking Out My Ass Land. The thought that Pace would fire a coach that has the team ascending because he was unable to win his last two SB appearances is just silly. Fox will be treated just like every other coach once his teams stagnate or regress he will be fired, not until then, end of stupid story.
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My hope is that there is meaningful football in December. If they were to sneak in, that would be great. Just looking ahead at the schedule.. Packers, Redskins, at Vikings are the last 3. Get to those games still in the hunt and play tough and hopefully they will build on that going into 2017.
