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Making him out to be more than he really is.
Making him out to be more than he really is.
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tbo will ignore my recent post im sure.
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I'm not comfortable with either, but given our options I'll take Emery.
Crawford lets in too many ridiculous shots from 40 feet that should never see the back of the net. He gets out of position. He doesn't know how to move his defenders and ends up screened by his own guys more often than the other team.
Emery can look awful, but I think he has the ability to occasionally make insane saves and he is the more likely of the two to steal a game. I also think that of the two he's the more likely to be able to get hot and carry us in the playoffs.
Neither should be our netminder but I'll take Emery all day long over Crawford, who in my opinion is just an average backup goalie in the league.
Crawford lets in too many ridiculous shots from 40 feet that should never see the back of the net. He gets out of position. He doesn't know how to move his defenders and ends up screened by his own guys more often than the other team.
Emery can look awful, but I think he has the ability to occasionally make insane saves and he is the more likely of the two to steal a game. I also think that of the two he's the more likely to be able to get hot and carry us in the playoffs.
Neither should be our netminder but I'll take Emery all day long over Crawford, who in my opinion is just an average backup goalie in the league.
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I'm fine with the opinion, but the bolded part is a little far-fetched. I'm sure Crawford is screaming at his own guys to get out of the way, that falls on the Dman if they screen the goalie. Also, Oduya screened Emery pretty bad last game...and that definitely wasn't Emery's fault.
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Emery is a good backup goalie - and can do the job -which was my point in writing that they could do worse than resigning Emery, as he has proven that he can also fill in for extended periods of time. No guy of his age should ever be content to stay as a backup -so I suppose the point is more along the lines of he seems to be in a position where he has to be on a team where there is a chance of that happening. (Which happens to be the Hawks right now). Since I doubt they can move Crawford -that also seems to describe the Hawks next season.
As for the defense -I wouldn't get too hung up on guys that haven't made it to the NHL level yet- as that is a trap to get into... I remember being about the same age as many posters here -when the Hawks were regularly being blitzed by the Oilers in the playoffs, and they sold these season preview books (for all sports- forgot what exactly they were called) -but all they ever could point to each season was that the Hawks were developing speed to contend with the Oilers -and maybe this would be the Hawks' year...
you know who those guys were? Ken Yaremchuk, and Tom McMurchy -you might know Yaremchuk (but since it was awhile back- maybe not), and the other guy would be a 'who?' .... Also Pat Foley was regularly gushing about a guy, Bill Watson, his one partial season with the Hawks - simply because he had won a Hobey Baker Award in college (the hockey equivalent of the Heisman he'd always point out.... ) -well Watson so impressed the team that they shipped him off to Alberta for pretty much nothing and his 'promising career' never happened.
Then consider Bruce Cassidy who had great numbers in junior -and got badly injured and never had more than a cup of coffee with the Hawks - he was supposed to be Doug Wilson and Paul Coffey combined into one guy ...
Or rather take Cam Barker, and a littler earlier --Ty Jones, Jack Skille ... being 'highly touted' doesn't often mean that much. Misses are easier to find than hits.
As for the defense -I wouldn't get too hung up on guys that haven't made it to the NHL level yet- as that is a trap to get into... I remember being about the same age as many posters here -when the Hawks were regularly being blitzed by the Oilers in the playoffs, and they sold these season preview books (for all sports- forgot what exactly they were called) -but all they ever could point to each season was that the Hawks were developing speed to contend with the Oilers -and maybe this would be the Hawks' year...
you know who those guys were? Ken Yaremchuk, and Tom McMurchy -you might know Yaremchuk (but since it was awhile back- maybe not), and the other guy would be a 'who?' .... Also Pat Foley was regularly gushing about a guy, Bill Watson, his one partial season with the Hawks - simply because he had won a Hobey Baker Award in college (the hockey equivalent of the Heisman he'd always point out.... ) -well Watson so impressed the team that they shipped him off to Alberta for pretty much nothing and his 'promising career' never happened.
Then consider Bruce Cassidy who had great numbers in junior -and got badly injured and never had more than a cup of coffee with the Hawks - he was supposed to be Doug Wilson and Paul Coffey combined into one guy ...
Or rather take Cam Barker, and a littler earlier --Ty Jones, Jack Skille ... being 'highly touted' doesn't often mean that much. Misses are easier to find than hits.
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Im not arguing that, u said he was on a tryout because he isnt good. That is false, he was on a tryout because of his injury...if he was healthy im sure he would have gotten a contract as a backup somewhere
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Looking at your sigm Tbo- and realizing that if I pulled the "I was a Hawk fan since I was 3" - would put me back in the Original 6 period.... man, now I'm petrified.
Ok, on to the 58 game thing, that's sort of a red herring, to be honest, as there are not many goalies that end up with that many games in a season - a guy like Belfour- when combined by Keenan's use of him was a freak - in terms of that guy played like 70 games out of 80 in a season --- that isn't the norm, and hasn't been the norm, excepting in extraordinary circumstances -such as Broduer, Roy, and Belfour -obviously some others too- but a lot of teams have to go with the more equal distribution of games among a tandem -just basically out of necessity, as opposed to any other reason.
There isn't anything wrong with using goalies in that way- although even those teams go with the hot goalie when going into the playoffs.
you did nail things, though -- injuries ... guys like Emery don't generally become journeymen players without extenuating circumstances - Emery's is injuries.
Ok, on to the 58 game thing, that's sort of a red herring, to be honest, as there are not many goalies that end up with that many games in a season - a guy like Belfour- when combined by Keenan's use of him was a freak - in terms of that guy played like 70 games out of 80 in a season --- that isn't the norm, and hasn't been the norm, excepting in extraordinary circumstances -such as Broduer, Roy, and Belfour -obviously some others too- but a lot of teams have to go with the more equal distribution of games among a tandem -just basically out of necessity, as opposed to any other reason.
There isn't anything wrong with using goalies in that way- although even those teams go with the hot goalie when going into the playoffs.
you did nail things, though -- injuries ... guys like Emery don't generally become journeymen players without extenuating circumstances - Emery's is injuries.
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Emery's problems have included more than injuries. The dude's a mental meltdown waiting to happen. They don't call him Slash for nothing. Either way, I like him.
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injury and not bing good= tryout. end of story.
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barring a meltdown or more it looks likely that crawford won the job back and will probably be the goalie in the playoffs.
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good. hope Emery's brief Hawk career ends watching from the bench.
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:] Considering that this is a team that has gone from one meltdown to the next - that is uncharacteristically optimistic of you, Dewey. :tiptoe:
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Hawks keep playing defense like they have lately and either goalie would look good in net.
If Craw had found his A-game the last two contest would've been shutouts. He's still hovering around the B/C range, imo.
If Craw had found his A-game the last two contest would've been shutouts. He's still hovering around the B/C range, imo.
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Is there a special reason why you hate Emery so much? Or were you just letdown by his play this year?
Not trolling, I'm genuinely curious.
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For my money, Emery has done exactly what they paid him to do... he wasn't expected to be the starting goalie -but he managed to do more than most backups are expected to do.
Put me in the unclear about what the problem with him is.
Put me in the unclear about what the problem with him is.
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They're both inconsistent. It seems though that Emery does better against the bad teams and Crawford does better against the good teams. Once the playoffs start, I'd like to have one consistent goalie. I'd go with Crawford.
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i would still be more comfortable with crawford in net over emery. this emery love on this board is fucking stupid.
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Craw is the guy next season. Hawks need to add a guy like Harding.
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Harding would be interesting...but might be too risky if the Hawks go with Crawford/Harding.
I do think that some of these young studs will move in the offseason. Bernier, Lindback, or Schneider - but all 3 are in the West which is important to note. Also could see Thomas traded because of Rask - Thomas has 1 more year on his contract.
Harding to me benefits a lot from the system that the Wild have played in the past. I think he is a goalie who puts up above .9% a year no matter what but I would shy away from him and go a different route.