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Ton, i have to disagree with some of your comments. First off, the general comment on McD. When he took over he cleaned out the front office that did administrative work, all Dollar Bill loyalists who were clowns that most people wouldn't hire to wash their dishes. He did not clean out the scouting department. Say what you want about McD, and yes he is a cut throat bastard who demands results, but the truth is, nobody is better at marketing. And while it is true that he knows zero about hockey, nonetheless it didn't take him too long to figure out that Tallon/Dudley didnt know too much either. So he went out and got the very best hockey mind alive to run the show. Any complaints about that?
As for Dudley, all you need to about him was the trade made yesterday. Gm's were laughing at Stan when he was demanding a first round pick for Buff and said it would not happen. Dudley gave us a 1st, 2d, and a good prospect. LMFAO. And in return Dudley got a player who only shows up in the playoffs, but Thrashers are not going to the playoffs. Thrash also got some other players who are a dime a dozen.
As for Tallon, what more is there to say. He "built" this team? Yeah right. Big keys Keith and Seabs were 100% Mike Smith draft picks, Toews and Kane were draft picks Tallon got because his plan for to win the Cup (giving overrated UFAs big $$) turned a bad team into the worse team in the NHL. Buff was huge in the playoffs, but he was also a Smith pick. And don't forget it was Tallon who wanted to sign Havlat over Hossa (are you kidding me?). And it was Tallon who drafted (no) Skille when Kopitar was the obvious pick. And Dale hired coaches with no experience like Yawney and Savard. Compare them to Q.
And it was Tallon who gave away players like (to name few off the top of my head) Bourque, Vrbata and Craig Anderson -- which makes trading for players like Sharp and Steeger a wash. And it was Tallon who gave Campbell that asinine contract when anybody who knew how to evaluate hockey talent knew that the nucleus of Keith, Seabs, Kane and Toews would be a dynasty with the right support players and cap management. But Dale could not see that.
Dale is a great guy and his heart is shaped like the Indianhead, but if your longing for the days when Dale and Dudley oversaw the draft and amateur scouting, IMHO, we are MUCH MUCH better off now.
-5Minutes
P.S. yes Ron, I know you disagree. You have a whole thread devoted to Dale which i chose not to post in, as i thought i would leave it as a love for Dale thread for his devoted fans. Your opinion is well known, and telling me who wrong i am in an offensive way is not really necessary. Gracias
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Well. I don't know where to start... but I'll give it a shot.
Keith and Seabs = Smith picks? Really? Keith himself stated in an interview that Tallon was the one doing all the interviewing before the draft and he believes that Tallon was the one who pushed for him. Seabs is a similar story.
As for Scotty, what does he have to do with this Stanley Cup winning team? I can care less about him right now.
Tallon brought us Toews, Kane, Bolland, Brouwer, Bickell, Byfuglien, Hjalmarsson, Ladd, Sharp, Versteeg, Campbell, Niemi... and Keith and Seabrook (both have stated that they were highly coveted by TALLON not SMITH)... thats only off the top of my head but there is more probably... most of those guys were taken in the draft, which you basically backhand Dale for his biggest accomplishments -- Kane and Toews, it was highly debated that Tallon should take Kessel, Backstrom, Turris over those guys... neither were Ovechkin or Malkin in their draft year so Dale COULD have screwed up. Imagine if he had taken Kessel and Turris -- NO chance we would be where we are today.
If you believe Bowman was the one who brought in Hossa and co, then you should believe that McDonough was the one who wanted Huet (and Campbell, for the "big splash" although I think Campbell is a good signing).
Dale was practically on an internship after Smith was fired (if not a little bit before Smith was fired, when he was Director of Hockey Ops)... the entire time Pulford was GM Tallon was the one that was being prepared for the job and was directly responsible for things such as the draft.
If you haven't read this then read it, it basically states my entire opinion of Tallon so I'm not going to repeat myself.
About Bourque, Vrbata, and Anderson... I can only laugh at that. Vrbata is a perimeter player that does not fit with the Hawks, Bourque had too many injury problems as well as inconsistency problems (playing with Iginla doesn't hurt) and Anderson -- well I always liked the guy so I can't really bash him but he bounced around plenty through the NHL so Tallon was not the only one to fuck up there.
No GM is perfect, but Tallon gave us a CUP WINNER in Chicago, how you can completely ignore the accomplishments that man has done for the city of Chicago is pretty unbelievable.
McDonough is a guy I never really had a problem with, I think his marketing skills are elite, no doubt... in fact I think he should market for the NHL... but the President of a club? Not sure he belongs in that role. Lets be honest, he has no business firing people in hockey operations when he doesn't have a clue about the game himself.
Dale is a top notch talent evaluator in the NHL, don't discredit his accomplishments just because he isn't here anymore.
I have full confidence in Bowman, but with Dale here, we would have the best front office in the NHL by a long shot. Dudley works himself in there too, but I wouldn't say hes as special as Dale -- it didn't hurt me as much to see him leave. Dale, on the other hand, was such an integral part of this team its not even debatable.
Tell me one thing, you feel more confident in Al MacIssac and Kevin Cheveldayoff (I actually like that addition but thats besides the point) than Dale Tallon and Rick Dudley? I sure don't. Although it might be a good front office, it is not as great as it use to be.
As much as I like Stan, our front office was stacked and now the only cup that says "AWESOME" on it is Stans when in the past there another two that filled the cupboard.
Ton, i have to disagree with some of your comments. First off, the general comment on McD. When he took over he cleaned out the front office that did administrative work, all Dollar Bill loyalists who were clowns that most people wouldn't hire to wash their dishes. He did not clean out the scouting department. Say what you want about McD, and yes he is a cut throat bastard who demands results, but the truth is, nobody is better at marketing. And while it is true that he knows zero about hockey, nonetheless it didn't take him too long to figure out that Tallon/Dudley didnt know too much either. So he went out and got the very best hockey mind alive to run the show. Any complaints about that?
As for Dudley, all you need to about him was the trade made yesterday. Gm's were laughing at Stan when he was demanding a first round pick for Buff and said it would not happen. Dudley gave us a 1st, 2d, and a good prospect. LMFAO. And in return Dudley got a player who only shows up in the playoffs, but Thrashers are not going to the playoffs. Thrash also got some other players who are a dime a dozen.
As for Tallon, what more is there to say. He "built" this team? Yeah right. Big keys Keith and Seabs were 100% Mike Smith draft picks, Toews and Kane were draft picks Tallon got because his plan for to win the Cup (giving overrated UFAs big $$) turned a bad team into the worse team in the NHL. Buff was huge in the playoffs, but he was also a Smith pick. And don't forget it was Tallon who wanted to sign Havlat over Hossa (are you kidding me?). And it was Tallon who drafted (no) Skille when Kopitar was the obvious pick. And Dale hired coaches with no experience like Yawney and Savard. Compare them to Q.
And it was Tallon who gave away players like (to name few off the top of my head) Bourque, Vrbata and Craig Anderson -- which makes trading for players like Sharp and Steeger a wash. And it was Tallon who gave Campbell that asinine contract when anybody who knew how to evaluate hockey talent knew that the nucleus of Keith, Seabs, Kane and Toews would be a dynasty with the right support players and cap management. But Dale could not see that.
Dale is a great guy and his heart is shaped like the Indianhead, but if your longing for the days when Dale and Dudley oversaw the draft and amateur scouting, IMHO, we are MUCH MUCH better off now.
-5Minutes
P.S. yes Ron, I know you disagree. You have a whole thread devoted to Dale which i chose not to post in, as i thought i would leave it as a love for Dale thread for his devoted fans. Your opinion is well known, and telling me who wrong i am in an offensive way is not really necessary. Gracias
[/quote]Well. I don't know where to start... but I'll give it a shot.
Keith and Seabs = Smith picks? Really? Keith himself stated in an interview that Tallon was the one doing all the interviewing before the draft and he believes that Tallon was the one who pushed for him. Seabs is a similar story.
As for Scotty, what does he have to do with this Stanley Cup winning team? I can care less about him right now.
Tallon brought us Toews, Kane, Bolland, Brouwer, Bickell, Byfuglien, Hjalmarsson, Ladd, Sharp, Versteeg, Campbell, Niemi... and Keith and Seabrook (both have stated that they were highly coveted by TALLON not SMITH)... thats only off the top of my head but there is more probably... most of those guys were taken in the draft, which you basically backhand Dale for his biggest accomplishments -- Kane and Toews, it was highly debated that Tallon should take Kessel, Backstrom, Turris over those guys... neither were Ovechkin or Malkin in their draft year so Dale COULD have screwed up. Imagine if he had taken Kessel and Turris -- NO chance we would be where we are today.
If you believe Bowman was the one who brought in Hossa and co, then you should believe that McDonough was the one who wanted Huet (and Campbell, for the "big splash" although I think Campbell is a good signing).
Dale was practically on an internship after Smith was fired (if not a little bit before Smith was fired, when he was Director of Hockey Ops)... the entire time Pulford was GM Tallon was the one that was being prepared for the job and was directly responsible for things such as the draft.
If you haven't read this then read it, it basically states my entire opinion of Tallon so I'm not going to repeat myself.
About Bourque, Vrbata, and Anderson... I can only laugh at that. Vrbata is a perimeter player that does not fit with the Hawks, Bourque had too many injury problems as well as inconsistency problems (playing with Iginla doesn't hurt) and Anderson -- well I always liked the guy so I can't really bash him but he bounced around plenty through the NHL so Tallon was not the only one to fuck up there.
No GM is perfect, but Tallon gave us a CUP WINNER in Chicago, how you can completely ignore the accomplishments that man has done for the city of Chicago is pretty unbelievable.
McDonough is a guy I never really had a problem with, I think his marketing skills are elite, no doubt... in fact I think he should market for the NHL... but the President of a club? Not sure he belongs in that role. Lets be honest, he has no business firing people in hockey operations when he doesn't have a clue about the game himself.
Dale is a top notch talent evaluator in the NHL, don't discredit his accomplishments just because he isn't here anymore.
I have full confidence in Bowman, but with Dale here, we would have the best front office in the NHL by a long shot. Dudley works himself in there too, but I wouldn't say hes as special as Dale -- it didn't hurt me as much to see him leave. Dale, on the other hand, was such an integral part of this team its not even debatable.
Tell me one thing, you feel more confident in Al MacIssac and Kevin Cheveldayoff (I actually like that addition but thats besides the point) than Dale Tallon and Rick Dudley? I sure don't. Although it might be a good front office, it is not as great as it use to be.
As much as I like Stan, our front office was stacked and now the only cup that says "AWESOME" on it is Stans when in the past there another two that filled the cupboard.
