Who is our new 'Talent Guy'?

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It's only a splash if they play with the captain and form the Hayes-Toews-Hayes line.
 

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Geez Ton. That's a hell of a reply you posted up there. I haven't seen you so worked up about an issue since all your long posts trying to convince the world what a great goaltender Huet was. BTW, you excited to get a Cristobal Huet Ice Hogs bobblehead doll next year? I'd stock up. :D



And Ron, you say that Dale was responsible for drafting Keith and Seabrook? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Nice try. You ever going to stop making shit up to support your nonsensical arguments? Sure doesn't look that way. I have a very strong memory of both those picks, and can say with certainty they were Mike Smith picks (with help of course from the amateur scouts). Reminds me of when you argued that Kane was sober during the taxi incident and cited your famous "inside info." Funny, the same people who believed that bullshit are the same ones who believe your fairy tale about Dale drafting 2 & 7.



And Ron, when I think of you and Dale, I can't help but think of ALL those bitter arguments you had with Elbows on the O boards back in the day. Elbows would argue what a great gm Dale was, and you would call both Dale and Elbows idiots -- of course using the most offensive and abrasive adjectives possible. RK style, you know. I think my personal favorite was how you argued that Dale got "fleeced" when he traded Bochenski for Versteeg. So have you ever sent Elbows a pm apologizing and telling him how totally wrong you were to question his obvious wisdom? You really should.



So Dale takes over a team, and is making lots of moves and making headlines. Splashmaster Dale! Ring a bell anybody? They're hasn't been this much hype about Dale since he took over the Hawks and signed Khabby, Aucoin, Cullimore, Lapointe, etc etc. One thing is certain, only a master evaluator of talent like Dale would grossly overpay so many overrated UFAs. What a fucking genius. And he didn't learn his lesson, as the Campbell contract proves.



Somebody even mentioned how Dale drafted character guys. That's hilarious. Of course Dale SAID that, but in reality he has an uncanny knack for finding and drafting the few hockey players who lack character, including punks like Beach, Aliu and Tony Salmelainen. Speaking of Salmelainen, anybody remember when Dale declared the Salmelainen the best skater in Europe??? Good stuff.



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“I remember, personally, when I was drafted by Chicago, I remember he was the guy doing all the interviewing.” Keith stated, ” I’m not exactly sure what his title was at the time, but I got the feeling that he really pushed for them to draft me.”



Keith added, “I’m thankful for him for that. And a lot of guys have stories like that where he’s behind the players and he really cares for his players and believes in them. That’s the type of guy he is.”



You named 3 players that may lack character out of the many he drafted. I won't even bother with the rest of that garbage.
 

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[quote name="Ton"]“I remember, personally, when I was drafted by Chicago, I remember he was the guy doing all the interviewing.” Keith stated, ” I’m not exactly sure what his title was at the time, but I got the feeling that he really pushed for them to draft me.”



Keith added, “I’m thankful for him for that. And a lot of guys have stories like that where he’s behind the players and he really cares for his players and believes in them. That’s the type of guy he is.”



You named 3 players that may lack character out of the many he drafted. I won't even bother with the rest of that garbage.[/quote]





Don't throw facts out there to the Guy. He's a waste of fucking breath. If he wants to make shit up let him. I'm sad there are fans like him out there. No better than the bandwagon ones.



Shame. I'm also not responding to his idiocy anymore. Also don't tell the dumb **** that since Campbells return in the Nashville Series the Hawks were 14-4. More concrete evidence that contract, while over paid, helped bring the DUMB fan a Stanley Cup.



So he continues to slam the ONLY guy that helped him see a Stanley Cup in his life time. And this guy has TWELVE seats so I'm told. Yikes!
 

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Is Dale a nice guy and good guy who was loved by the players? Yes. And that was a real nice thing for Duncan to say about Dale, but the truth is Duncan was drafted for his skating ability. Credit for that goes to the scouts. And by acccident to Smith, who was a strange bird and at that time had a hard on for drafting defensemen.



Keith's skating was so talked about that I went to the prospects camp the next week primarily for the purpose of seeing him. It was amazing. Duncan made such an impression that I can tell you the exact place i was sitting on the Edge bleachers when i first saw him on the ice. (I admittedly do not see many prospects live, but that's only happened to me one other time, when i saw Ovie in Moscow when he was 18.) I couldn't believe nobody took Duncan in the first round, and especially that Smith took Babchuk before Keith. Of course the question with Duncan was whether he would add weight and muscle (he looked like he weighed 150 pounds) but i still would have taken him in the first round. The upside looked massive.



As Mike Smith said in his interview afterward, the pick was something of a risk because of the question about whether Duncan would fill out, but the potential based on his skating made it worth the risk. Smith was a fool who i wouldn't hire to cut my grass, but he did get the Keith and Seabrook picks right.



-5Minutes
 

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“I remember, personally, when I was drafted by Chicago, I remember he was the guy doing all the interviewing.” Keith stated, ” I’m not exactly sure what his title was at the time, but I got the feeling that he really pushed for them to draft me.”



Keith added, “I’m thankful for him for that. And a lot of guys have stories like that where he’s behind the players and he really cares for his players and believes in them. That’s the type of guy he is.”




Mike Smith was doing nothing. He was on the way out. Dale was being put there by Pulford and thus Tallon was doing most of the work.



His name is on those trades by NAME only as the FUCKING QUOTE ABOVE PROVES.



Again Larry let me spell this out for you since the aptitude of concept is lost. With out Dale Tallon NONE of us get to see this team just win the STANLEY CUP. So continue on with your bashing.



He did not always do things correct but at times there were OTHER influences on him, especially early. But I know from where you sit and KNOW not a single sole in the organization you know everything.



Pity.....
 

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Oh sure, and Dale also drafted Babchuk in the first round of the 2002 draft.
 

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Proof will come in 3 to 5 years when we see how the players the Panthers drafted turn out.
 

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[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]Oh sure, and Dale also drafted Babchuk in the first round of the 2002 draft.[/quote]



Puckjim in 3....2....1.....
 

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[quote name="Maiden"]Proof will come in 3 to 5 years when we see how the players the Panthers drafted turn out.[/quote]



It will be interesting to watch both Florida and Atlanta. Funny DUDLEY took his draft pick Alui to Atlanta with him in trade. This guy can't get ANY picks right it appears. Who did what, when and how is a mystery to those that have no clues. LOL!





I'm sure like here mistakes will be made but both teams will be built like the second attempt here in Chicago. Tallon most certainly made mistakes but his good far out weighed his bad.



When this team competes for the Cup for the next MANY years, it will make someones argument here mean less and less.



I most certainly didn't always agree, especially early, but the fact these guys WON THE FUCKING STANLEY CUP, speaks VOLUMES.



Later this Summer I will remember this conversation when I hoist that ****** over my HEAD!
 

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[quote name="R K"]



It will be interesting to watch both Florida and Atlanta.





I'm sure like here mistakes will be made but both teams will be built like the second attempt here in Chicago. Tallon most certainly made mistakes but his good far out weighed his bad.



When this team competes for the Cup for the next MANY years, it will make someones argument here mean less and less.



I most certainly didn't always agree, especially early, but the fact these guys WON THE FUCKING STANLEY CUP, speaks VOLUMES.



Later this Summer I will remember this conversation when I hoist that ****** over my HEAD![/quote]



You're meeting Tallon and hoisting him over your head??? That's a bit much for a thank you don't ya think? :D
 

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No credit to Tallon though, who was Director of Hockey Ops at the time and once again, Keith stated that he was interviewed by Tallon and the process went through him.



Nice 5min.



Who cares though, if you want to talk wheres your mention of Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Brouwer, Versteeg, Kopecky, Hjalmarsson, Bolland, Ladd, Eager, Bickell, Fraser, Madden, Niemi, Hendry, Campbell, Sopel, Huet... you know, 19 of the 23 players on the Cup that were brought here when Tallon was GM. Hell if you include Keith and Seabrook that's 21 out of 23 -- but if you don't believe that, either way that's 19 out of 23. Also if you want to include Buff on that list, which I know you don't, there's another one.
 

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I'd hoist him up there too. We just won the FUCKING STANLEY CUP and someones still out there bitching about the guy who was primarily responsible for it. I can't help but chuckle.
 

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[quote name="Ton"]No credit to Tallon though, who was Director of Hockey Ops at the time and once again, Keith stated that he was interviewed by Tallon and the process went through him.



Nice 5min.



Who cares though, if you want to talk wheres your mention of Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Brouwer, Versteeg, Kopecky, Hjalmarsson, Bolland, Ladd, Eager, Bickell, Fraser, Madden, Niemi, Hendry, Campbell, Sopel, Huet... you know, 19 of the 23 players on the Cup that were brought here when Tallon was GM. Hell if you include Keith and Seabrook that's 21 out of 23 -- but if you don't believe that, either way that's 19 out of 23. Also if you want to include Buff on that list, which I know you don't, there's another one.[/quote]



again you throw concrete facts out there. It's the small mistakes that cost us the Stanley Cup. Wait...........



And I think Hossa and Kopecky were not Dales. 80% of the team that won the Cup, was Tallon/Dudley.
 

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[quote name="R K"]



It will be interesting to watch both Florida and Atlanta. Funny DUDLEY took his draft pick Alui to Atlanta with him in trade. This guy can't get ANY picks right it appears. Who did what, when and how is a mystery to those that have no clues. LOL!





I'm sure like here mistakes will be made but both teams will be built like the second attempt here in Chicago. Tallon most certainly made mistakes but his good far out weighed his bad.



When this team competes for the Cup for the next MANY years, it will make someones argument here mean less and less.



I most certainly didn't always agree, especially early, but the fact these guys WON THE FUCKING STANLEY CUP, speaks VOLUMES.



Later this Summer I will remember this conversation when I hoist that ****** over my HEAD![/quote]



Funny that when Tallon became GM he kept players such as Keith and Seabrook and traded other highly touted "Smith" picks in Ruutu, Yakubov, Babchuk, Munro, etc.. etc.. without having much confidence in them the same way Dudley acquired one of HIS picks because... well, it was HIS PICK!
 

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[quote name="R K"]I'd hoist him up there too. We just won the FUCKING STANLEY CUP and someones still out there bitching about the guy who was primarily responsible for it. I can't help but chuckle.[/quote]



Speaking of responsible, there is a certain man who looks like a Dr Seuss character who enjoys taking credit for winning the Cup. What exactly did that person do to take so much credit for winning the Cup?
 

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[quote name="Ton"]



Funny that when Tallon became GM he kept players such as Keith and Seabrook and traded other highly touted "Smith" picks in Ruutu, Yakubov, Babchuk, Munro, etc.. etc.. without having much confidence in them the same way Dudley acquired one of HIS picks because... well, it was HIS PICK![/quote]



Well if 5 minutes knew anyone IN this organization he'd know that other teams have tried to pry Seabrook and Keith from the Hawks since about year TWO on the team. With massive offers. Wonder why Tallon never traded them.



Also in the bad you can count HUET on the "new Regime". That's 5.6 mil thats a HUGE thorn in their side right now. Not Tallon.





As for the bolded part you'd think the Alui trade happening last week was rather OBVIOUS who's pick it was. Then he slams Tallon for a 5th round NHL draft pick. Again it's sad this team has fans like that. They make up what ever they want and RUN like FORREST GUMP with it.
 

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[quote name="Maiden"]



Speaking of responsible, there is a certain man who looks like a Dr Seuss character who enjoys taking credit for winning the Cup. What exactly did that person do to take so much credit for winning the Cup?[/quote]



Raised the cost on 5 minutes TWELVE TICKETS!!
 

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[quote name="R K"]



again you throw concrete facts out there. It's the small mistakes that cost us the Stanley Cup. Wait...........



And I think Hossa and Kopecky were not Dales. 80% of the team that won the Cup, was Tallon/Dudley.[/quote]



Hey, you mean Dale didn't sign Kopecky and Hossa?! But RK, he was GM at the time, this is not possible.



-5min



Seriously though, since he isn't acknowledging the fact that the GM doesn't make every single move, might as well name every player that WAS brought in when Tallon was GM -- which is still 19 out of 23 players. If you want to be technical, take out Campbell and Huet, Hossa and Kopecky, add Keith Seabrook and Byfuglien, there ya go.
 

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[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]

So Dale takes over a team, and is making lots of moves and making headlines. Splashmaster Dale! Ring a bell anybody? They're hasn't been this much hype about Dale since he took over the Hawks and signed Khabby, Aucoin, Cullimore, Lapointe, etc etc. One thing is certain, only a master evaluator of talent like Dale would grossly overpay so many overrated UFAs. What a fucking genius. And he didn't learn his lesson, as the Campbell contract proves.-5Minutes[/quote]

A Hockey News Article from 7/31/2008.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/1 ... dia=videos



It is well-known new Hawks president John McDonough is not a big fan of either Tallon or Savard and that McDonough was the driving force behind the signings of unrestricted free agents Cristobal Huet and Brian Campbell.



In fact, industry insiders maintain Tallon didn’t want to sign either player July 1, but McDonough insisted the Hawks sign them as both hockey and marketing moves.



The Atlanta Thrashers had the inside track on Campbell in the first hours of free agency. He was reportedly about to accept Atlanta’s offer when McDonough apparently ordered Tallon to improve the Chicago’s offer to Campbell, who ended up signing with the Blackhawks for $56.8 million over eight years.



It was much the same with Huet. The night before free agency opened, the Capitals thought they had a deal done with Huet for $15 million over three seasons. But again, apparently at McDonough’s insistence, the Hawks sweetened their offer, adding another year and $565,000 per season.




ADDING ANOTHER FUCKING YEAR AND 500K PER. 7 MILLION EXTRA!!!!



Sorry about that.
 

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