Who is the player you'd mostly like to see as a Hawk

[LordKOTL]

People said the same thing about Kane. Last I checked, he's a 3X Cup Champion.

The truth is, you need a balance. No one is saying defense isn't important, but you need offensive production up front as well. The Oilers' success will not hinge on McDavid suddenly becoming a dynamite two-way player; it will hinge on them getting better depth defensively overall.

This--or players which can cover in the D-aspects while an O-specialist is on the ice.

Give the oil a non-worn down Hjammer, Keith, Hossa, or even a Bolland or Kruger and they become a lot better. Move McDavid or Draisaitl to the 'hawks and they're dealing with more of the same.

That's not saying McDavid is a bad player, not in the least--he is one of the best players ion the league right now. If he failed to do much with the Oil (a team with similar makeup to the 'hawks) he's not going to do much more with the 'hawks. IMHO to make the team better the holes, or at least the largest one needs to be plugged, and right now that's the team D. The 'hawks have decent O production and of all the players out there now, in my opinion Hedman plugs the hole the best.

 

[KBIB]

There's a difference between saying "one person makes 'a difference'" (which you never said) and saying (paraphrasing) "one person makes the team a Cup contender" (which you did). Two completely different things, but nice try though

If you don't think a number one defenseman in his prime doesn't turn this team into a cup contender with the talent they have, idk what to tell you

 

[KBIB]

So you throw out a Corsi stat for a nobody like Kampf and declare yourself a genius?

The only meatball here has a screen name that's a cocktail.

Kampf is a nobody?

60% defensive zone starts says otherwise. Had a hand, along with Carpenter is advancing Dachs development in the NHL proves otherwise.

He's pretty much Kruger's second coming. Was Kruger a nobody?

 

[KBIB]

People said the same thing about Kane. Last I checked, he's a 3X Cup Champion.

The truth is, you need a balance. No one is saying defense isn't important, but you need offensive production up front as well. The Oilers' success will not hinge on McDavid suddenly becoming a dynamite two-way player; it will hinge on them getting better depth defensively overall.

Again, you don't know hockey.

Yzerman was the man in Detroit and was almost traded until Bowman challenged him to be better at both ends.

Because the team saw Yzerman do it, they followed suit and committed to a all round game.

As for Kane, how many Cup wins does he's have when scoring 100 points in the regular season? None?

Of course a team needs balance, but if you don't understand the concept that there's a huge difference between what Kane fire compared to McDavid, I really don't know what to tell you.

Kane was drafted to be a piece of a team, while McDavid was brought in to be the team.

 

[KBIB]

Difference, yes, but not SC contender. There's still too many holes in the lineup and virtually no D from the FWDs. It's a step in the right direction but not there yet.

Hedman is good enough to carry the forwards freeloading on D.

 

[Raskolnikov]

This--or players which can cover in the D-aspects while an O-specialist is on the ice.

Give the oil a non-worn down Hjammer, Keith, Hossa, or even a Bolland or Kruger and they become a lot better. Move McDavid or Draisaitl to the 'hawks and they're dealing with more of the same.

That's not saying McDavid is a bad player, not in the least--he is one of the best players ion the league right now. If he failed to do much with the Oil (a team with similar makeup to the 'hawks) he's not going to do much more with the 'hawks. IMHO to make the team better the holes, or at least the largest one needs to be plugged, and right now that's the team D. The 'hawks have decent O production and of all the players out there now, in my opinion Hedman plugs the hole the best.

As usual...Lord is like Moses parting the Red Sea between imbeciles and chaos, creating a dry path of reason for us to follow through.

Thank you sir.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Kampf is a nobody?

60% defensive zone starts says otherwise. Had a hand, along with Carpenter is advancing Dachs development in the NHL proves otherwise.

He's pretty much Kruger's second coming. Was Kruger a nobody?

I'm a big fan of Kampf and Carpenters game as well. Great all-around glue guys and physical. If Murphy was paid what they are I would love him too.

 

[ruprecht]

I'm a big fan of Kampf and Carpenters game as well. Great all-around glue guys and physical. If Murphy was paid what they are I would love him too.

Completely agree.

 

[LordKOTL]

Hedman is good enough to carry the forwards freeloading on D.

Hedman can't play 60 minutes though. It helps, but it doesn't completely solve the issue. Even if he plays ~30, you don't want Keith more than ~25 because then his game goes WAY down, so you have approximately 5 mins per game where the opposition can do real damage. Plus you also have to figure out how much and how long Hedman can carry other players before he himself gets completely worn out.

Don't get me wrong--the guys is excellent. In the vicinity of Prime Keith Excellent, but even Prime Keith couldn't carry everyone over the course of a complete season. At some point other guys had to ante up.

As usual...Lord is like Moses parting the Red Sea between imbeciles and chaos, creating a dry path of reason for us to follow through.

Thank you sir.

Nah, Hossa is moses:

 

[Raskolnikov]

Hedman can't play 60 minutes though. It helps, but it doesn't completely solve the issue. Even if he plays ~30, you don't want Keith more than ~25 because then his game goes WAY down, so you have approximately 5 mins per game where the opposition can do real damage. Plus you also have to figure out how much and how long Hedman can carry other players before he himself gets completely worn out.

Don't get me wrong--the guys is excellent. In the vicinity of Prime Keith Excellent, but even Prime Keith couldn't carry everyone over the course of a complete season. At some point other guys had to ante up.

Nah, Hossa is moses:

To me he is better than prime Keith excellent. Maybe not offensively, but defensively and physically for sure. Keith was alway a magic show of "how the **** did he stop that" along with Crawford complimenting snuffing out fast breaks, which allowed the Hawks to play extremely aggressive to every opponents chagrin and amazement. What Hedman does seems to me more consistent and reliable, but he does also have a great goalie in Vaisilesky. But not the same as Crow....I think Hedman/Vaisilesky compliment each other in a similar way that Keith/Crow did. They are that magic pairing.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Really my biggest fear is that we never see the Keith we saw in 2020 playoff again. That layoff was a gift and our 3 top 100 guys looked fresh and lively. Thats not the normal 72 game season Keith we would get in May/June. Keith was fucking dominant this playoffs and had a ton of life.

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

Kampf is a nobody?

60% defensive zone starts says otherwise. Had a hand, along with Carpenter is advancing Dachs development in the NHL proves otherwise.

He's pretty much Kruger's second coming. Was Kruger a nobody?

Yes!!!!

 

[Granada]

Hedman can't play 60 minutes though. It helps, but it doesn't completely solve the issue. Even if he plays ~30, you don't want Keith more than ~25 because then his game goes WAY down, so you have approximately 5 mins per game where the opposition can do real damage. Plus you also have to figure out how much and how long Hedman can carry other players before he himself gets completely worn out.

Don't get me wrong--the guys is excellent. In the vicinity of Prime Keith Excellent, but even Prime Keith couldn't carry everyone over the course of a complete season. At some point other guys had to ante up.

Nah, Hossa is moses:

Might as well save your breath, KOTL -- I think Martini is beyond saving.

 

[Granada]

Again, you don't know hockey.

Yzerman was the man in Detroit and was almost traded until Bowman challenged him to be better at both ends.

Because the team saw Yzerman do it, they followed suit and committed to a all round game.

As for Kane, how many Cup wins does he's have when scoring 100 points in the regular season? None?

Of course a team needs balance, but if you don't understand the concept that there's a huge difference between what Kane fire compared to McDavid, I really don't know what to tell you.

Kane was drafted to be a piece of a team, while McDavid was brought in to be the team.

There's so much stupid in this post, especially the last line, I really don't even know where to start.

"Kane was drafted to be a piece of the team... not the team..." ? Yeah, because GM's love to blow first overall picks on mere side-pieces of a team.

Kane is literally the fucking face of the franchise with Toews, and has been ever since he was drafted. If you want to pretend otherwise, "I don't know what to tell you," as you like to say.

 

[Diehardfan]

There's so much stupid in this post, especially the last line, I really don't even know where to start.

"Kane was drafted to be a piece of the team... not the team..." ? Yeah, because GM's love to blow first overall picks on mere side-pieces of a team.

Kane is literally the fucking face of the franchise with Toews, and has been ever since he was drafted. If you want to pretend otherwise, "I don't know what to tell you," as you like to say.

You should jump on the "ignore" option. What did it for me was his telling others that they don't know the game. I mean I played the game for 15 years.....there are others here that are still playing or coaching the game. I think I speak for most of us when I say we don't need some dork using a half baked stat like Corsi as a reference point telling us we don't know a game that a lot of us were in involved in for a good portion of our lives.

 

[blackpep72]

One of my favorite hits of all time.

solid hit no doubt