Who is the player you'd mostly like to see as a Hawk

[KBIB]

White flag noted.

When statistics are brought into the mix the first responders cry out "troll"

Love it

 

[KBIB]

Right -- people (namely Martini) need to remember that Hedman was huge but he certainly didn't do it all on his own, especially on the back-end. McDonough was also huge, as was Sergachev. Their blue-line as a whole was terrific, it wasn't solely Hedman. You need a legit top-4 to even think about being a Cup contender.

Ok.

Say the Hawks did have Hedman. Which takes the burden and minutes away from Keith, and that you could realistically have either Hedman or Keith out there 45 minutes a game.

Yeah.....one person doesn't make a difference.....

 

[KBIB]

Whoops

Martini has a point because he knows hockey and isn't into meatball logic like some of the rabble here.

Because McDavid and Kane would be soooo much better lol

Two players who are effective with the puck on their stick. Does the NHL now have two pucks on the ice at the same time?

Meatballs are gonna meatball ??

 

[Raskolnikov]

Ok.

Say the Hawks did have Hedman. Which takes the burden and minutes away from Keith, and that you could realistically have either Hedman or Keith out there 45 minutes a game.

Yeah.....one person doesn't make a difference.....

Well...the particular guy you are talking about, the old guys don't need "statistics" to see that he makes the entire game and season easier for everybody else. He snuffs out most entry's before they even get to the baseline, he takes pucks from opponents at will, nobody can possess anywhere around him and he is a huge bully physically.

I think he cuts down on a huge % of required work from his teammates. His consistency is amazing, all those #2's around him look like #1's.

But yes...I like your points and our penalty kill is hilarious if it didn't make me sick. Is that the stand there and stick your stick between your legs like you have to pee defense or what the **** is that shit? We got problems...one player can't fix them.

Either McDavid or Hedman would make a huge difference.

 

[Raskolnikov]

two pucks?

Like McDavids speed wouldn't translate off-puck from Kaner? lol. Or have you ever heard of 4 lines?

Keep attacking everyone but try to make sense. Everyone understands you but this is a ridiculous hypothetical. We are going to have to find difference makers from alot less than McDavid or Hedman.

I mean I'm just hoping Alex Vlasic can get accelerated and help out Boqvist/Mitchell/Beudin with some size, or they all impress and one can get traded out for some size, and Vlasic comes up too.

There is the long stick they hope improves the penalty kill. Vlasic.

 

[KBIB]

Well...the particular guy you are talking about, the old guys don't need "statistics" to see that he makes the entire game and season easier for everybody else. He snuffs out most entry's before they even get to the baseline, he takes pucks from opponents at will, nobody can possess anywhere around him and he is a huge bully physically.

I think he cuts down on a huge % of required work from his teammates. His consistency is amazing, all those #2's around him look like #1's.

But yes...I like your points and our penalty kill is hilarious if it didn't make me sick. Is that the stand there and stick your stick between your legs like you have to pee defense or what the **** is that shit? We got problems...one player can't fix them.

Either McDavid or Hedman would make a huge difference.

I don't think McDavid would make as much of a difference as many think he would.

Nobody could keep up with him first off. You can't play Kane with him second, and he's horrible in his own zone.

Not that the Hawks are stalwarts in their own end, but you kick Toews and Dach down a line each to compensate McDavid

two pucks?

Like McDavids speed wouldn't translate off-puck from Kaner? lol. Or have you ever heard of 4 lines?

Keep attacking everyone but try to make sense. Everyone understands you but this is a ridiculous hypothetical. We are going to have to find difference makers from alot less than McDavid or Hedman.

I mean I'm just hoping Alex Vlasic can get accelerated and help out Boqvist/Mitchell/Beudin with some size, or they all impress and one can get traded out for some size, and Vlasic comes up too.

There is the long stick they hope improves the penalty kill. Vlasic.

Somebody said McDavid would compliment Kane. It wouldn't work. Kane drives possession by himself and putting a monster like McDavid on the same line would cause Kane to lose his effectiveness.

Why would you put two possession monsters on the same line who play two different games?

Breadman always gave the puck to Kane, he knew where his butter was bread, no pun. Why would you want McDavid doing that when he's so north/south? Doesn't make sense.

Another line? Sure. Who on this team keeps up outside of reforming the McD/Debrincat/Strome line? And even then, how the hell do they afford that and how many goals do those three give up a game?

Four? Five?

 

[Raskolnikov]

I don't think McDavid would make as much of a difference as many think he would.

Nobody could keep up with him first off. You can't play Kane with him second, and he's horrible in his own zone.

Not that the Hawks are stalwarts in their own end, but you kick Toews and Dach down a line each to compensate McDavid
Somebody said McDavid would compliment Kane. It wouldn't work. Kane drives possession by himself and putting a monster like McDavid on the same line would cause Kane to lose his effectiveness.

Why would you put two possession monsters on the same line who play two different games?

Breadman always gave the puck to Kane, he knew where his butter was bread, no pun. Why would you want McDavid doing that when he's so north/south? Doesn't make sense.

Another line? Sure. Who on this team keeps up outside of reforming the McD/Debrincat/Strome line? And even then, how the hell do they afford that and how many goals do those three give up a game?

Four? Five?

McDavid would make a huge difference. You lose all credibility at the start. Figure it out. Superstars matter.
100 point guys matter. Having two of them matters alot, on the same line or not. I think I agree with you there. They might be more impactful separated...

think about the choices your opposition would have to make to defend them on two different lines. Pick your poison, and the other is seeing second hand defenders.

 

[KBIB]

McDavid would make a huge difference. You lose all credibility at the start. Figure it out. Superstars matter.
100 point guys matter. Having two of them matters alot, on the same line or not. I think I agree with you there. They might be more impactful separated...

think about the choices your opposition would have to make to defend them on two different lines. Pick your poison, and the other is seeing second hand defenders.

The Oilers had two 100 point guys (97 on McD).

Where were they in the playoffs?

 

[Raskolnikov]

The Oilers had two 100 point guys (97 on McD).

Where were they in the playoffs?

I guess you are right. McDavid doesn't make much of a difference. Who wants that guy anyway? Idiots.

 

[KBIB]

I guess you are right. McDavid doesn't make much of a difference. Who wants that guy anyway? Idiots.

McDavid won't be effective until he starts to focus on his own end.

Yzerman did more with less early in his career but didn't start winning Cups until he became a complete player. A number one defenseman is more valuable to a team then a guy who can get 100 points unless those 100 points are 100 goals.

 

[KBIB]

And if people think I'm trolling, I apologise.

I just know a little bit more about hockey then the knee jerk reactions being sneezed out here and if my opinion is that uncomfortable, by all means I respect your social media distancing with blocking me.

 

[Raskolnikov]

McDavid won't be effective until he starts to focus on his own end.

Yzerman did more with less early in his career but didn't start winning Cups until he became a complete player. A number one defenseman is more valuable to a team then a guy who can get 100 points unless those 100 points are 100 goals.

Let me know when they clone Gretsky and we can talk about real life together.

I just never heard anyone in the hockey business really take McJesus's name in vain before. But I will take your word for it he is putting up hollow Oveckin type seasons and not playing defense, I understand you.

Most think his speed alone causes other teams to completely change their identity. Thats worth something to me.

 

[KBIB]

Let me know when they clone Gretsky and we can talk about real life together.

Plz tell me your not comparing Gretzky to McDavid.....

 

[Raskolnikov]

Plz tell me your not comparing Gretzky to McDavid.....

who the hell scores 100 goals?

You are the one that brought it up. Look...I understand his limitations. I was one of the ones that said Hedman. There are probably a few power forwards I would take before McDavid too. Hossa is my favorite player, I love Toews. I like tough guys that win both directions. But McDavid is a huge piece and a great weapon, he just needs the right line, and you might be correct to point out its not Kane. I think I agree.

 

[KBIB]

who the hell scores 100 goals?

You are the one that brought it up. Look...I understand his limitations. I was one of the ones that said Hedman. There are probably a few power forwards I would take before McDavid too. Hossa is my favorite player, I love Toews. I like tough guys that win both directions. But McDavid is a huge piece and a great weapon, he just needs the right line, and you might be correct to point out its not Kane. I think I agree.

I'm just pointing out points really aren't as important as preventing them.

 

[Granada]

Ok.

Say the Hawks did have Hedman. Which takes the burden and minutes away from Keith, and that you could realistically have either Hedman or Keith out there 45 minutes a game.

Yeah.....one person doesn't make a difference.....

There's a difference between saying "one person makes 'a difference'" (which you never said) and saying (paraphrasing) "one person makes the team a Cup contender" (which you did). Two completely different things, but nice try though

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

Whoops

Martini has a point because he knows hockey and isn't into meatball logic like some of the rabble here.

Because McDavid and Kane would be soooo much better lol

Two players who are effective with the puck on their stick. Does the NHL now have two pucks on the ice at the same time?

Meatballs are gonna meatball ??

So you throw out a Corsi stat for a nobody like Kampf and declare yourself a genius?

The only meatball here has a screen name that's a cocktail.

 

[Granada]

Whoops

Martini has a point because he knows hockey and isn't into meatball logic like some of the rabble here.

Because McDavid and Kane would be soooo much better lol

Two players who are effective with the puck on their stick. Does the NHL now have two pucks on the ice at the same time?

Meatballs are gonna meatball ??

Wow, what simplistic logic. You rip on "meatball logic," then say something like the bolded (4th line). Talk about irony.

 

[Granada]

McDavid won't be effective until he starts to focus on his own end.

Yzerman did more with less early in his career but didn't start winning Cups until he became a complete player. A number one defenseman is more valuable to a team then a guy who can get 100 points unless those 100 points are 100 goals.

People said the same thing about Kane. Last I checked, he's a 3X Cup Champion.

The truth is, you need a balance. No one is saying defense isn't important, but you need offensive production up front as well. The Oilers' success will not hinge on McDavid suddenly becoming a dynamite two-way player; it will hinge on them getting better depth defensively overall.

 

[LordKOTL]

Ok.

Say the Hawks did have Hedman. Which takes the burden and minutes away from Keith, and that you could realistically have either Hedman or Keith out there 45 minutes a game.

Yeah.....one person doesn't make a difference.....

Difference, yes, but not SC contender. There's still too many holes in the lineup and virtually no D from the FWDs. It's a step in the right direction but not there yet.