Who is the player you'd mostly like to see as a Hawk

[Tater]

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One of my favorite hits of all time.

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

You answered the question for me

Q) Who would I like to see in the hawks?

A) The best player in the leauge....Connor McDavid

End of story.

Why is this so challenging and such a debate?

Because you called everyone who disagreed with your personal choice a clueless idiot who clearly doesn't know anything about hockey.

The way you answered above is all you had to do the first time.

Be less of a jagoff.

 

[HSBOB]

You answered the question for me

Q) Who would I like to see in the hawks?

A) The best player in the leauge....Connor McDavid

End of story.

Why is this so challenging and such a debate?

No one's doubted McDavid's offensive production is as good or better than any player's but offensive production alone does not make the league's best player.
McDavid saw his best FO year this year @47.7%,Toews saw his worst in his rookie season @53.2% and this could have been a factor in the Hawks owning the Oil this year........both PO's and regular season. Two way play enters into the league's best player also and even though McDavid had 97pts in 64 games,he still managed a -6.
McDavid had 9pts in 4 play-in games and the Oil were lucky to win a game.

 

[Raskolnikov]

My bringing up how vital Bickell was to the last run, and his illness basically ending the era...reminds me of an actual answer to this OP.

We should really make a package to trade for Vasily Podkolzin....or a similar player.

Thats obviously what Kane has missed, the formula from the cup runs that was broken...was a power forward. Hossa was another power forward in effect w his defense, but hall of fame skill to boot. So 2 of them are needed.

I get really mad about the mini-me's, but they are fine if you balance them out with beasts that remove physical pressure and season long attrition on the micro skilled hockey guys. Hinostroza couldn't function because those guys were gone, and many of our youth got shipped out for not developing, when we werent' protecting them well enough to develop without being banged up all the time.

We really need a guy or two like Podz that is a wrecking ball, creates chaos for skill guys to seize opportunities, and remove that physical pressure and attrition.

 

[HSBOB]

Connor McDavid together with Kaner would be unstoppable

But isn't it more fun watchin' him skate with Carpenter and Nolander?

 

[HSBOB]

My bringing up how vital Bickell was to the last run, and his illness basically ending the era...reminds me of an actual answer to this OP.

We should really make a package to trade for Vasily Podkolzin....or a similar player.

Thats obviously what Kane has missed, the formula from the cup runs that was broken...was a power forward. Hossa was another power forward in effect w his defense, but hall of fame skill to boot. So 2 of them are needed.

I get really mad about the mini-me's, but they are fine if you balance them out with beasts that remove physical pressure and season long attrition on the micro skilled hockey guys. Hinostroza couldn't function because those guys were gone, and many of our youth got shipped out for not developing, when we werent' protecting them well enough to develop without being banged up all the time.

We really need a guy or two like Podz that is a wrecking ball, creates chaos for skill guys to seize opportunities, and remove that physical pressure and attrition.

But hasn't it become apparent that SB has no interest in the type of player you described? Patrick Maroon twisted in the UFA breeze all last summer until TB signed him for 900K right before camp and TB also added the recently bought out Shatenkirk for 1.7M while we added Smith for 3.2M and 2 mediocre D-men for 4-4.6M each.
I completely share your appreciation of Bickell and especially his PO performances.
'13' needed what Big Buff brought back in '10' and Bickell answered the bell,he was a physical force against a Boston team that was as big and bad as any and he out played em too. He followed up in '14' with a very respectable 7gls in 19gms and in a way '15' was impressive too. His condition had already started to affect his hand-eye coordination but it didn't stop the big fella from leading the league in PO hits even missing the last four games. Of course the Hawks were gettin' by the Wild in round two that year but Bickell's TWENTY FIVE hits in the first two games had the MN D-men lookin' over their shoulders and the sweep was on. We haven't had that since!

 

[Raskolnikov]

But hasn't it become apparent that SB has no interest in the type of player you described? Patrick Maroon twisted in the UFA breeze all last summer until TB signed him for 900K right before camp and TB also added the recently bought out Shatenkirk for 1.7M while we added Smith for 3.2M and 2 mediocre D-men for 4-4.6M each.
I completely share your appreciation of Bickell and especially his PO performances.
'13' needed what Big Buff brought back in '10' and Bickell answered the bell,he was a physical force against a Boston team that was as big and bad as any and he out played em too. He followed up in '14' with a very respectable 7gls in 19gms and in a way '15' was impressive too. His condition had already started to affect his hand-eye coordination but it didn't stop the big fella from leading the league in PO hits even missing the last four games. Of course the Hawks were gettin' by the Wild in round two that year but Bickell's TWENTY FIVE hits in the first two games had the MN D-men lookin' over their shoulders and the sweep was on. We haven't had that since!

We aren't going to win until SB recognizes the importance of this and fixes it. Its the reason the top two lines struggle and the youth aren't developing right. The skill guys can really feed off the chaos too, loose pucks, quick counter attacks, etc., forecheck.

I'm convinced its what we lack, I was accepting of it for a while because of bad circumstance, bad luck...and contracts...

I like Stan for a few reasons, but this issue got lost in the shuffle and the toll has been huge. They can't go on like this anymore. They got lucky with the short season and thats why you saw us pretend for a moment we could be something.

We aren't built for the attrition of a full season and the skill guys take too much physical heat that adds up.
Its also why Perlini was missed. Perlini, Maroon, Shattenkirk...

We need strength out there if only to get to the playoffs fresher.

 

[HSBOB]

We aren't going to win until SB recognizes the importance of this and fixes it. Its the reason the top two lines struggle and the youth aren't developing right. The skill guys can really feed off the chaos too, loose pucks, quick counter attacks, etc., forecheck.

I'm convinced its what we lack, I was accepting of it for a while because of bad circumstance, bad luck...and contracts...

I like Stan for a few reasons, but this issue got lost in the shuffle and the toll has been huge. They can't go on like this anymore. They got lucky with the short season and thats why you saw us pretend for a moment we could be something.

We aren't built for the attrition of a full season and the skill guys take too much physical heat that adds up.
Its also why Perlini was missed. Perlini, Maroon, Shattenkirk...

We need strength out there if only to get to the playoffs fresher.

We have finally seen a few bigger bodied youngsters like Dach and two D prospects but are they even allowed to play a heavy game here? Our three top D prospects are 170 pounders and our only bigger D-man who was willing to toss guys outta the crease and come to a teammate's aid wasn't good enough for our HC it seems.
The new Swiss import Suter is also another 170 pounder who'll get every chance to join an already undersized roster.
Vegas is undoubtedly a better team but they pushed the Hawks around more than they outplayed them IMO........they were a better team than Dallas too but they couldn't push them around and didn't advance because of it.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Kucherov, Mcdavid, Hedman, Point, Crosby in no particular order, but number one has to be Connor the best player currently in the world.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Hedman would be awesome too. He's exactly what we've been missing on the backend. Plus he reminds me of Tree from Mystery, Alaska, so bonus points there as well.

Hedman would be perfect because he'd be a D-man who can actually clear the crease, who could actually play on the top tandem, who can actually get shots through from the point, and who obviously is great defensively.

Tkachuk would be great because he'd be that physical player that Hawks have really never had in the top six, who can actually provide an effective and consistent net-front presence, who hits with purpose, and who makes the smart the play more often than not. This team needs a guy who can actually score gritty goals, and Tkachuk would fit that bill to a tee.

Like you said, overall though, I'd still take MacKinnon if I can only choose one -- but it's still fun to choose other players while identifying the Hawks' greatest needs.

Nathan would be awesome, but you can’t honestly bypass the best player in the world if you have a chance. All the intangibles Nathan has goes without saying, but Connor is all Nathan and more.

 

[Granada]

You answered the question for me

Q) Who would I like to see in the hawks?

A) The best player in the leauge....Connor McDavid

End of story.

Why is this so challenging and such a debate?

A: Who said it was challenging?

B: It's a debate because we're on a message board.

 

[Granada]

Nathan would be awesome, but you can’t honestly bypass the best player in the world if you have a chance. All the intangibles Nathan has goes without saying, but Connor is all Nathan and more.

Right -- I mentioned as much in post #12. I'm not trying to say that McKinnon is better than McDavid; I was just trying to pick players that encompass what the Hawks lack and a player that I always wanted to see on the Hawks, style-wise.

 

[KBIB]

Kucherov, Mcdavid, Hedman, Point, Crosby in no particular order, but number one has to be Connor the best player currently in the world.

The best player in the world right now is Hedman. And it's not particularly close

 

[KBIB]

But hasn't it become apparent that SB has no interest in the type of player you described? Patrick Maroon twisted in the UFA breeze all last summer until TB signed him for 900K right before camp and TB also added the recently bought out Shatenkirk for 1.7M while we added Smith for 3.2M and 2 mediocre D-men for 4-4.6M each.
I completely share your appreciation of Bickell and especially his PO performances.
'13' needed what Big Buff brought back in '10' and Bickell answered the bell,he was a physical force against a Boston team that was as big and bad as any and he out played em too. He followed up in '14' with a very respectable 7gls in 19gms and in a way '15' was impressive too. His condition had already started to affect his hand-eye coordination but it didn't stop the big fella from leading the league in PO hits even missing the last four games. Of course the Hawks were gettin' by the Wild in round two that year but Bickell's TWENTY FIVE hits in the first two games had the MN D-men lookin' over their shoulders and the sweep was on. We haven't had that since!

There was nothing mediocre about Maatta in the playoffs.
CDH? Sure. But Maatta was a beast. Kookoo too.

 

[hawkinmontreal]

The best player in the world right now is Hedman. And it's not particularly close

Sure thing, if your talking about players that are still actively playing for the cup.

 

[KBIB]

Sure thing, if your talking about players that are still actively playing for the cup.

I'm talking in general.

McDavid is not better then Hedman imo.

Put McDavid on the Hawks and they're the exact same team as they are currently.

Put Hedman, and the Hawks are Cup contenders

 

[hawkinmontreal]

I'm talking in general.

McDavid is not better then Hedman imo.

Put McDavid on the Hawks and they're the exact same team as they are currently.

Put Hedman, and the Hawks are Cup contenders

Sure thing buddy, whatever you are smoking please pass it along for all of us to share. Hedmen is a damn good defencemen, but to say the Hawks would be the same team with Connor is laughable and just when I was about to say he is certainly one of the top tier players in the league you go and say, the Hawks are cup contenders with him in the lineup, thanks for the laugh. The Hawks are pure fucking garbage, you can have Hedman and Mcdavid and they still aren’t cup contenders.

 

[KBIB]

Sure thing buddy, whatever you are smoking please pass it along for all of us to share. Hedmen is a damn good defencemen, and just when I was about to say he is certainly one of the top tier players in the league you go and say, the Hawks are cup contenders with him in the lineup, thanks for the laugh. The Hawks are pure fucking garbage you can have Hedman and Mcdavid and they still aren’t contenders.

You obviously don't know the value or impact of a number one defenseman in his prime on a team with as much talent as the Hawks.

Carry on

 

[hawkinmontreal]

You obviously don't know the value or impact of a number one defenseman in his prime on a team with as much talent as the Hawks.

Carry on

Yes the Hawks are stacked with talent, hence why they missed the playoffs three years in a row, and please don’t tell me this year counts.
If you honestly think you are going to school me about hockey and the Hawks, your barking up the wrong tree. Anyone who can honestly say they would pass on Mcdavid obviously knows nothing about the sport of hockey. There is not one single GM who would ever take Hedman over Connor, and to imply Mcdavid is not an impact player, go crawl back in the hole you came out of.

 

[Diehardfan]

Ok, it's a mindless thread....for laughs, I get it. But anyone who thinks adding one player to a bad hockey team makes them a contender is simply a fan being a fan. Sure, a hot goalie can win you a round but the teams that win a very high percentage of the time are teams that are deep. They roll 3 good lines, sometimes 4....they don't over rely on one defensive pairing. I'm not saying adding a good player won't help but it's not the world beater fans think it is.