Who Stays, Who Goes?

[HSBOB]

I really think Blowman is still running this team but using Davidson or whatever his name is as a ruse.

If they keep this clown after this year, I’ll be 100% sure.

They say Scotty still has Rocky's ear and if so,I'm sure he has Prince Daniel's too. I fully expect both Q and SB to be reinstated this summer............I see Q going back behind Florida's bench and a chance that SB gets brought back here too. Both guy's replacements are interim for a reason.
It TURNS my stomach to even think that but the law firm went out of it's way to paint SB in the most positive light and so did Prince Daniel.......YIKES!!!!!

 

[JimAKABlkhwks918]

They say Scotty still has Rocky's ear and if so,I'm sure he has Prince Daniel's too. I fully expect both Q and SB to be reinstated this summer............I see Q going back behind Florida's bench and a chance that SB gets brought back here too. Both guy's replacements are interim for a reason.
It TURNS my stomach to even think that but the law firm went out of it's way to paint SB in the most positive light and so did Prince Daniel.......YIKES!!!!!

What a horrifying picture you paint...I truly hope that isn't in the works...

 

[hawkinmontreal]

What a horrifying picture you paint...I truly hope that isn't in the works...

No way SB gets reinstated, I know the Hawks stink, but this is just delusional.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Bowman and Q must enter a glass cage.
Only one can return.
No fucking way Q would work for that little shit again without getting to punch him first.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I promise the way Q would tell it to friends over a glass of wine is that he respects Stan and his integrity…blah ditty blah but trading Panarin is the single stupidest management decision he has seen in hockey.

Gretzky was the most upsetting to fans…but realistically that move was like if we traded Kane 2 or 3 years ago.

 

[Granada]

I'm starting to lose my patience with Kurashev.

The thing about this year's team is, they can't walk and chew gum at the same time -- meaning, they can't be a competent defensive team and a moderately successful offensive team at the same time. They started playing better under King once the Hawks put more of an emphasis on defense; but now, their offense is taking a huge hit. At the end of the day, this team is still trying to find an identity. It seems like they're trying to be a d-first, transition team, but they don't have the speed nor the passing to be such. They are not as aggressive, because that was leading to way too many odd-mans and goals against; but because they aren't aggressive, they're struggling to generate any offense. They're trying to find a happy medium, but they can't -- and considering we're already half-way through the season already, they either will never find it, or they will find it too late.

 

[LordKOTL]

If your keeping a competitive team then it’s bad hockey to let Fleury go. Keep everyone or sell everyone, don’t be in between.

Timing is also key. This season was Jacked up by Bowman the Beancounter. I think the best time to really start selling would be the TDL of *next* season, not this one. I think if Fleury wants out, he'll get out. If not he'll stay. I think it's also in the 'hawks interest to be good enough not to get the top-2 picks in this draft, but then tank out next season and get plenty of picks. Moving Toews (assuming he waives), Kane (assuming he waives), and possibly Debrincat *next* season at the TDL to contenders might maximize the return as well as prevent the 'hawks from eating too much salary for too long.

Couple that with fleury not re-signing and carrying the team means that the 'hawks would be de facto bottom feeders.

They say Scotty still has Rocky's ear and if so,I'm sure he has Prince Daniel's too. I fully expect both Q and SB to be reinstated this summer............I see Q going back behind Florida's bench and a chance that SB gets brought back here too. Both guy's replacements are interim for a reason.
It TURNS my stomach to even think that but the law firm went out of it's way to paint SB in the most positive light and so did Prince Daniel.......YIKES!!!!!

I honestly don't think they'll be back anytime soon. When Voynov wanted to make a comeback to the NHL after going Bobby Hull on his wife, the negative reaction to the NHL for even considering letting him back in was palpable. I think less than a year in this current era between being drummed out and let back in is way too soon for anyone connected to the Beach fiasco.

 

[HSBOB]

Timing is also key. This season was Jacked up by Bowman the Beancounter. I think the best time to really start selling would be the TDL of *next* season, not this one. I think if Fleury wants out, he'll get out. If not he'll stay. I think it's also in the 'hawks interest to be good enough not to get the top-2 picks in this draft, but then tank out next season and get plenty of picks. Moving Toews (assuming he waives), Kane (assuming he waives), and possibly Debrincat *next* season at the TDL to contenders might maximize the return as well as prevent the 'hawks from eating too much salary for too long.

Couple that with fleury not re-signing and carrying the team means that the 'hawks would be de facto bottom feeders.

I honestly don't think they'll be back anytime soon. When Voynov wanted to make a comeback to the NHL after going Bobby Hull on his wife, the negative reaction to the NHL for even considering letting him back in was palpable. I think less than a year in this current era between being drummed out and let back in is way too soon for anyone connected to the Beach fiasco.

So what amounts to nearly a full year suspension and the 5M in salary that goes along with it isn't enough of a penalty for Q for following the orders of the team President? Every other coach and executive did the same,even the AC Beach asked for help from but only SB and Q faced punishment?
Do you equate Q's following orders to a man physically abusing his wife?

If Beach went to Q with the allegations and Q did nothing,I'd want him out for good to be honest but Beach went to Vincent and he only went to McD.
Everyone in the meeting was told management was on it and they'd handle it.
So Q shoulda been the only guy in the meeting to blow up the season and his career along with it by doing what management said not to do?

 

[Raskolnikov]

So what amounts to nearly a full year suspension and the 5M in salary that goes along with it isn't enough of a penalty for Q for following the orders of the team President? Every other coach and executive did the same,even the AC Beach asked for help from but only SB and Q faced punishment?
Do you equate Q's following orders to a man physically abusing his wife?

If Beach went to Q with the allegations and Q did nothing,I'd want him out for good to be honest but Beach went to Vincent and he only went to McD.
Everyone in the meeting was told management was on it and they'd handle it.
So Q shoulda been the only guy in the meeting to blow up the season and his career along with it by doing what management said not to do?

I’m really pissed off about Q getting fired because he built that Panthers team up and should be padding his stats right now, racking up wins and climbing into the GOAT coach conversation.

 

[LordKOTL]

So what amounts to nearly a full year suspension and the 5M in salary that goes along with it isn't enough of a penalty for Q for following the orders of the team President? Every other coach and executive did the same,even the AC Beach asked for help from but only SB and Q faced punishment?
Do you equate Q's following orders to a man physically abusing his wife?

If Beach went to Q with the allegations and Q did nothing,I'd want him out for good to be honest but Beach went to Vincent and he only went to McD.
Everyone in the meeting was told management was on it and they'd handle it.
So Q shoulda been the only guy in the meeting to blow up the season and his career along with it by doing what management said not to do?

It's less about what Q did or didn't do--we've been over that before. It's about perception of the 'hawks and the league and trying to stay ahead of the implication that they protect a rapist.

If Gary Bettman lets any person who resigned because of the Beach incident back into the league after less than a year after the scandal fully broke, he'd be roasted alive in the media. He knows this. Rocky knows this. Danny knows this.

Whether you, I, or anyone else think Q got a raw deal or not is irrelevant--I seriously doubt the NHL will allow anyone connected with the Beach fiasco into the league so soon after the report which implied a cover-up broke--even for guys who may not have had culpability but resigned anyway.

 

[KBIB]

They say Scotty still has Rocky's ear and if so,I'm sure he has Prince Daniel's too. I fully expect both Q and SB to be reinstated this summer............I see Q going back behind Florida's bench and a chance that SB gets brought back here too. Both guy's replacements are interim for a reason.
It TURNS my stomach to even think that but the law firm went out of it's way to paint SB in the most positive light and so did Prince Daniel.......YIKES!!!!!

I really don’t think Q is coming back next year.

Too soon.

Cani see him coming back in the future? Of course. The NHL is a boys club. These guys defend on protect each other until the bitter end.

Maybe in five years. When nobody remembers the Beach shit and when it’s brought up at a presser Q can say he did his time and that’s that.

There was that one juniors coach who was molesting players and he was given chances on top of chances. The guy who molested Theo Fleury. The guy was on the greatest Canadian list for awhile and was still coaching kids over seas after all of that. These guys look out for each other.

 

[LordKOTL]

I really don’t think Q is coming back next year.

Too soon.

Cani see him coming back in the future? Of course. The NHL is a boys club. These guys defend on protect each other until the bitter end.

Maybe in five years. When nobody remembers the Beach shit and when it’s brought up at a presser Q can say he did his time and that’s that.

There was that one juniors coach who was molesting players and he was given chances on top of chances. The guy who molested Theo Fleury. The guy was on the greatest Canadian list for awhile and was still coaching kids over seas after all of that. These guys look out for each other.

Exactly. Or he'll come out contrite and say he wish he could have done more, he's involved with sexual assault advocacy charities, and the like. There will be a positive spin on it and he'll be back, but not this soon--for Q at least. Regardless of his actual guilt and culpability, the NHL has enough PR savvy to know the incident has to quiet down and get lost among all of the newer incidents which will happen in the future before revisiting this.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I really don’t think Q is coming back next year.

Too soon.

Cani see him coming back in the future? Of course. The NHL is a boys club. These guys defend on protect each other until the bitter end.

Maybe in five years. When nobody remembers the Beach shit and when it’s brought up at a presser Q can say he did his time and that’s that.

There was that one juniors coach who was molesting players and he was given chances on top of chances. The guy who molested Theo Fleury. The guy was on the greatest Canadian list for awhile and was still coaching kids over seas after all of that. These guys look out for each other.

Q doesn’t have 5 years.
If he’s not back by 2023 he’s done, IMO.

 

[HSBOB]

I really don’t think Q is coming back next year.

Too soon.

Cani see him coming back in the future? Of course. The NHL is a boys club. These guys defend on protect each other until the bitter end.

Maybe in five years. When nobody remembers the Beach shit and when it’s brought up at a presser Q can say he did his time and that’s that.

There was that one juniors coach who was molesting players and he was given chances on top of chances. The guy who molested Theo Fleury. The guy was on the greatest Canadian list for awhile and was still coaching kids over seas after all of that. These guys look out for each other.

You're comparing following the orders of a team president who assured everyone he'd deal with the issue to a habitual child molester?

 

[HSBOB]

It's less about what Q did or didn't do--we've been over that before. It's about perception of the 'hawks and the league and trying to stay ahead of the implication that they protect a rapist.

If Gary Bettman lets any person who resigned because of the Beach incident back into the league after less than a year after the scandal fully broke, he'd be roasted alive in the media. He knows this. Rocky knows this. Danny knows this.

Whether you, I, or anyone else think Q got a raw deal or not is irrelevant--I seriously doubt the NHL will allow anyone connected with the Beach fiasco into the league so soon after the report which implied a cover-up broke--even for guys who may not have had culpability but resigned anyway.

Rocky and Danny don't know anything......remember that!

Anyone connected and culpable should mean anyone in the meeting and everyone in the meeting did the same thing.........they followed orders after being assured their team president would handle the issue.

The ex-cop the victim trusted didn't go to the cops and the victim didn't go to the cops either.

If I read correctly,the assault happened before Q was informed of it,so there was obviously nothing he could have done to prevent it and since it was a one time assaul,it wasn't an ongoing situation that Q allowed .

So,it was only SB and Q who should have disobeyed orders and gone to the cops or HR? McD did go to HR after an inexcusable two week wait but even then.......HR only cut Aldrich loose.

 

[Granada]

Honest question here: do we really need to rehash this?

 

[hawkinmontreal]

Honest question here: do we really need to rehash this?

Thank you Granada

 

[Diehardfan]

Honest question here: do we really need to rehash this?

Really......

it's hard enough being a fan of this team as it is.

 

[LordKOTL]

Honest question here: do we really need to rehash this?

Not trying to re-hash this. All I'm saying is that I think it would be PR suicide for the 'hawks and the NHL proper to reinstate anyone who resigned over this fiasco anytime soon--irrespective of actual culpability or guilt.