Who still thinks CHI should have traded Deng & Noah & a pick for Carmelo Anthony?

[Glide2keva]

This from a Heat fan who sees something that everyone else has been saying for a while.

I do not like the 2012 Heat so far. I liked the 2011 version, despite their flaws. But, the 2012 version has come back with the nonchalance and entitlement of defending champs even though they didn't win a damn thing. Neither the 2011 nor the 2012 Heat could take a punch, but the 2012 variety will just simply go away as long as you keep hitting them. Or else they may mount a bid to come back furiously at the end and score a late-round knockout, so to speak, but it's almost always going to be too late.

I was watching the game last night on NESN (Boston network) instead of ESPN. The Celtics' broadcasters referred to the Heat D as "hope-you-miss-defense." And that's the kind of defense the Heat play for at least half the game; they just have a great record because they can run over most teams before it matters.

In terms of offense, first, Spoelstra is obviously too weak to apply the reins to James or Wade, but what truly concerns me is that he doesn't seem to want to control Chalmers or Cole either. More than that, the Heat seem to have no offensive plan other than depending on their ability to make individual plays. Two-thirds of the offense is generated by the scoring/passing/defense-drawing ability of James and Wade. However, Wade has had unsettling finishing problems this year, and James can't determine in which game situations when to assert and when to defer and often he defers when he should assert and vice-versa.

Of course, the Heat's size problems and the accompanying rebounding troubles are well known, and that largely goes back to defense, but that 's not the biggest danger sign. I'm not exaggerating when I say good teams have "solved" the Heat. On offense, you can hurt them with a PG that can penetrate, by making extra passes in the interior or off penetration, and you can kill them on the 3 pt line. And defensively, the Bulls and Thunder in the past two weeks have shown two ways to beat them. The Bulls (without Rose) played James/Wade 1-on-1 and gave up 71 pts to them but still won. The Thunder, on the other hand, swarmed both whenever they had the ball and considered each defensive possession successful if someone else other than those two had to make the play (in my opinion, the Thunder's strategy is less risky).

I'm not saying that the Heat definitely won't win the title. If they get transcendent performances from their stars in the right series, they could simply out-talent the rest of the field. But, that's the only way they can win. As a cohesive basketball team, they are fundamentally flawed.

Opinions?

 

[FirstTimer]

This from a Heat fan who sees something that everyone else has been saying for a while.



Opinions?

I think the writer is stupid.

Wade has been banged up. Lebron sure didn't seem Non-chalent coming back with an improved post game etc.

The Heat are smart enough to realize the real challenge is in the playoffs. I would think any intelligent basketball fan would understand that the regular season doesn't mean a hell of a lot(in a certain context) seeing as what the Heat did to the Bulls last season and especially given the compressed scheduling this year.

 

[FirstTimer]

Sure seems like the Thunder "solved" the Heat by losing to them a week ago.

article.

What was the source? Some fucking dumbass on BR?

 

[Glide2keva]

Sure seems like the Thunder "solved" the Heat by losing to them a week ago.

article.

What was the source? Some fucking dumbass on BR?

It wasn't an article. It was an answer to a question this guy was asked. This was his opinion as a Heat fan. He's not a professional at all.

And of course you would disagree with him, given how you love to talk about the heat.

 

[Glide2keva]

I think the writer is stupid.

Wade has been banged up. Lebron sure didn't seem Non-chalent coming back with an improved post game etc.

The Heat are smart enough to realize the real challenge is in the playoffs. I would think any intelligent basketball fan would understand that the regular season doesn't mean a hell of a lot (in a certain context) seeing as what the Heat did to the Bulls last season and especially given the compressed scheduling this year.

Yeah because what they did to the Bulls really helped them against Dallas.

Oh wait.

 

[FirstTimer]

It wasn't an article. It was an answer to a question this guy was asked. This was his opinion as a Heat fan. He's not a professional at all.

SOURCE

And of course you would disagree with him, given how you have a brain.

Fixed.

Yeah because what they did to the Bulls really helped them against Dallas.

Oh wait.

Not the point of ANYTHING I said.

So nice try being clever...too bad you failed yet again.

 

[Bear06]

Nicca pleaze......You way out of line.
I don't appreciate your disrespect you constantly throw my way.
Those are ignorant false statements and utterly sad personal insults coming from you, who probably never played team sports in your life like me and probably a few others have here.
The only thing you know about basketball is what you google and then re-word when you post, faker.....And your facts arnt even facts half the time....
I know more about basketball (considering I played all through school) in just one of my brain cells than you know in your whole xerox machine brain...I may not word it as well as you, but the best knowledge you can get about basketball is actually playing it which I did on the street and in school. And I'm not claiming to be great but I was pretty dam good until I broke my foot twice in a year during my junior year in highschool....
I know this is just a messageboard, but you really do strike a nerve with me and its very insulting...Your fake oldman grampa act don't intimidate or fool me.
I don't claim to know all even though I'm 30 plus. I witnessed the glory years too but you don't see me contsantly flaunting it in peoples face...You can say all you want that I don't act like the old man I am, but I'm just a lifelong Bulls fan that likes to feel young and be social with other Bulls fans in my spare time for fun....Sports is about fun...
...Your probably not even as old as you claim..just a guy who spends all day on google trying to look smart on a messageboard to impress people which is kind of pathetic when you think about it.

You really just don't know brah...
You can take your personal insults and shove them up your ass.
I'm done trying to get along with you.
I'm done with you.
You can go to Hell, and please don't talk to, about or with me from this point forward.


Any conversation or confrontation with you I would prefer to have off the internet in the flesh.
Don't ever disrespect me.
Let me know and we can settle it..
Pm me.
If not, then just STFU!!!!!!!!!!

You can respond to this if you like, and I'm sure your reasoning will just be to have the last word like always as if that really proves anything.... I have absolutely nothing more to say to you except, "**** YOU VERY MUCH"..
I'm not playing your stupid personal attack game with you no more. Got it?

Now go back to your googling and act like your smart from other peoples literature that you read.
You probably learned basketball from a handbook like Daniel son tried to learn Karate before he met Mr. Miyagi....

You pissed me off just now to the point I almost don't want to post no more.
Besides I thought you were going to put me on ignore, LIAR...

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[FirstTimer]

Nicca pleaze......You way out of line.
I don't appreciate your disrespect you constantly throw my way.
Those are ignorant false statements and utterly sad personal insults coming from you, who probably never played team sports in your life like me and probably a few others have here.
The only thing you know about basketball is what you google and then re-word when you post, faker.....And your facts arnt even facts half the time....
I know more about basketball (considering I played all through school) in just one of my brain cells than you know in your whole xerox machine brain...I may not word it as well as you, but the best knowledge you can get about basketball is actually playing it which I did on the street and in school. And I'm not claiming to be great but I was pretty dam good until I broke my foot twice in a year during my junior year in highschool....
I know this is just a messageboard, but you really do strike a nerve with me and its very insulting...Your fake oldman grampa act don't intimidate or fool me.
I don't claim to know all even though I'm 30 plus. I witnessed the glory years too but you don't see me contsantly flaunting it in peoples face...You can say all you want that I don't act like the old man I am, but I'm just a lifelong Bulls fan that likes to feel young and be social with other Bulls fans in my spare time for fun....Sports is about fun...
...Your probably not even as old as you claim..just a guy who spends all day on google trying to look smart on a messageboard to impress people which is kind of pathetic when you think about it.

You really just don't know brah...
You can take your personal insults and shove them up your ass.
I'm done trying to get along with you.
I'm done with you.
You can go to Hell, and please don't talk to, about or with me from this point forward.


Any conversation or confrontation with you I would prefer to have off the internet in the flesh.
Don't ever disrespect me.
Let me know and we can settle it..
Pm me.
If not, then just STFU!!!!!!!!!!

You can respond to this if you like, and I'm sure your reasoning will just be to have the last word like always as if that really proves anything.... I have absolutely nothing more to say to you except, "**** YOU VERY MUCH"..
I'm not playing your stupid personal attack game with you no more. Got it?

Now go back to your googling and act like your smart from other peoples literature that you read.
You probably learned basketball from a handbook like Daniel son tried to learn Karate before he met Mr. Miyagi....

You pissed me off just now to the point I almost don't want to post no more.
Besides I thought you were going to put me on ignore, LIAR...

This is possibly the worst post in the history of CCS.

Talk about a textbook case of internet ass hurt.

:lol:

Good work hou. You broke SP94 into an all out ***** mode. This post reminds me of Bosh after the Finals.

SP94=*****.

 

[Bear06]

Dude is a Special person who should give it up...who the hell is he to tell me what I should say on what forum? And because I said Lebron James is a great player that is sacrilege?

Dude should grow up. He is probably 18 years old and never say Jordan play a day in his life. That is why he is blocked....he is an idiot.

You are correct I'm 18 I was too young to watch Jordan play with the Bulls but I did watch when Jordan played the Bulls when he was a Wizard when I was 7 years old. Also the only fucking idiot in here is you and don't ever disrespect me you old piece of trash. All your talk is all BULLSHIT always praising LeChoke, Melo and the other big superstars, can you just shut the **** up about MELO he is never going to play for the Bulls. YES he is better than Deng but Deng fits in this team Melo wouldn't. Just check the Nuggets record without Melo the dude is a team cancer, Deng is a team player.

 

[Bear06]

This is possibly the worst post in the history of CCS.

Talk about a textbook case of internet ass hurt.

:lol:

Good work hou. You broke SP94 into an all out ***** mode. This post reminds me of Bosh after the Finals.

SP94=*****.

Don't **** with SP94 you Heatle, he is a crazy muthafucka he will F YOU UP straight up.

 

[FirstTimer]

You are correct I'm 18

I had you pegged for 12.

Also the only fucking idiot in here is you and don't ever disrespect me

What the hell will your ass do about it.

:rolling:

Oh yeah.

**** you.

LeClutch.

Fixed.

Don't **** with SP94 you Heatle, he is a crazy muthafucka he will F YOU UP straight up.

Internet threats are cute.

 

[houheffna]

This from a Heat fan who sees something that everyone else has been saying for a while.



Opinions?

It shows that the grass isn't greener on the other side. If you talk to Yankees fans, they are usually complaining more than complimenting their team. Same with Steelers fans, Packers fans, Celtics fans...these are teams who win fairly consistently over the years, yet their fans don't as a whole always look at the bright side. Putting things in perspective is only helping the fan himself.

Now I am sure there are fans down there who think Rose is a pile of shit and would rather have Chalmers. I am sure some down there think Noah and Deng are completely overrated and the Bulls are performing a magic show. I am also sure that there was a minority of fans down there who felt Rose was MVP. You know who they sound like?

The full spectrum of fans in a lot of cities.

I think fans in certain cities are highly intelligent. Chicago definitely ain't one of those cities.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

opcorn:

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

It shows that the grass isn't greener on the other side. If you talk to Yankees fans, they are usually complaining more than complimenting their team. Same with Steelers fans, Packers fans, Celtics fans...these are teams who win fairly consistently over the years, yet their fans don't as a whole always look at the bright side. Putting things in perspective is only helping the fan himself.

Now I am sure there are fans down there who think Rose is a pile of shit and would rather have Chalmers. I am sure some down there think Noah and Deng are completely overrated and the Bulls are performing a magic show. I am also sure that there was a minority of fans down there who felt Rose was MVP. You know who they sound like?

The full spectrum of fans in a lot of cities.

I think fans in certain cities are highly intelligent. Chicago definitely ain't one of those cities.

can be summed up by one word:expectations

 

[houheffna]

I had you pegged for 12.


What the hell will your ass do about it.

:rolling:

Oh yeah.

**** you.


Fixed.





Internet threats are cute.

Why is this lame acting like him and SP94 are the Road Warriors? Lol...

Please stop.

 

[houheffna]

can be summed up by one word:expectations

Absolutely right...my expectations are different from the average 18 year old's expectations...Why? Most likely because I saw a dynasty up close and personal. I saw Jordan and Pippen make it work. I saw Phil Jackson grow into one of the great coaches in organized sports history.

Do I see SOME of the parts to a dynasty...yes. Am I satisfied? No.

Yes, my expectations are high...that definitely sums it up in one word.

 

[Glide2keva]

It shows that the grass isn't greener on the other side. If you talk to Yankees fans, they are usually complaining more than complimenting their team. Same with Steelers fans, Packers fans, Celtics fans...these are teams who win fairly consistently over the years, yet their fans don't as a whole always look at the bright side. Putting things in perspective is only helping the fan himself.

Now I am sure there are fans down there who think Rose is a pile of shit and would rather have Chalmers. I am sure some down there think Noah and Deng are completely overrated and the Bulls are performing a magic show. I am also sure that there was a minority of fans down there who felt Rose was MVP. You know who they sound like?

The full spectrum of fans in a lot of cities.

I think fans in certain cities are highly intelligent. Chicago definitely ain't one of those cities.

Wow, good post.

 

[Glide2keva]

Absolutely right...my expectations are different from the average 18 year old's expectations...Why? Most likely because I saw a dynasty up close and personal. I saw Jordan and Pippen make it work. I saw Phil Jackson grow into one of the great coaches in organized sports history.

Do I see SOME of the parts to a dynasty...yes. Am I satisfied? No.

Yes, my expectations are high...that definitely sums it up in one word.

Our expectations are high also.

Some of us just don't feel we need to get a superstar at every position in order to win. Does that mean we have low expectations?

Come on man.

 

[Axl Rose]

Why is this lame acting like him and SP94 are the Road Warriors? Lol...

Please stop.

:rolling:

 

[rc_roadster]

Melo played well on Sunday, ok.

Noah and Deng bring it EVERY NIGHT.

I'll take passion and heart every time over unpredictable skill.