Why Can't The Bears Just Draft a QB and Get the Same Production out of a Rookie QB as they'd potentially get from Wentz?

[Britbuffguy]

The idiots here think they're going to get 2017 Wentz

Makes sense to bank on a guy being what he was 4 years and not 6 months ago.

Same people that told us Foles would return to his Superbowl run I'm sure.

 

[sevvy]

The idiots here think they're going to get 2017 Wentz

Makes sense to bank on a guy being what he was 4 years and not 6 months ago.

Or maybe the idiots here look at his body of work, and not just last season when he literally had the worst offensive line since David Carr. It's much more complex than just saying Carson Wentz is who we saw last year.

I'm not sold on him being a good fit for the Bears, but I don't think he would come in and just throw picks and fumble the ball and completely struggle. He probably would suck a little bit extra because Nagy sucks, too, though. So there's that.

 

[tcmtrinity]

Or maybe the idiots here look at his body of work, and not just last season when he literally had the worst offensive line since David Carr. It's much more complex than just saying Carson Wentz is who we saw last year.

I'm not sold on him being a good fit for the Bears, but I don't think he would come in and just throw picks and fumble the ball and completely struggle. He probably would suck a little bit extra because Nagy sucks, too, though. So there's that.

Not sure where you're (your for those die-hards) going there (their) fella.

 

[msadows]

Drafting a rookie at 20, or in the 2nd round doesn't save Pace and Nagy's jobs.

I'd like to think about building a better team through the draft, and developing a QB. The reality is that Pace and Nagy are only thinking about 2021. If they don't mortgage the future and overpay for a veteran QB, I'll be shocked.

ding ding ding.

Took till post 17 but this guy gets it.

Pace/nagy are fighting for their jobs this season.

 

[satchice]

I’d be on board with trading the farm for Wilson

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Drafting a rookie at 20, or in the 2nd round doesn't save Pace and Nagy's jobs.

I'd like to think about building a better team through the draft, and developing a QB. The reality is that Pace and Nagy are only thinking about 2021. If they don't mortgage the future and overpay for a veteran QB, I'll be shocked.

I don’t want Nagy or Pace back, but the first part of your post is a big unknown. A QB in the 1st or 2nd round could easily save their jobs. The same thing can be said about going all in on any QB during FA. The way I see it, if we have a QB that has a legit season in 2021, George/Ted will not hesitate to bring Pace & Nagy back no matter what their record ends up being.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I’d be on board with trading the farm for Wilson

I would be too, but with Wilson having a no trade clause, theres no way he’s coming to Chicago unless Pace overhauls the OL first. What would Pace have to give up to fix the O Line and get Wilson? It’s always possible, but not realistic.

 

[LetsGo34]

The idiots here think they're going to get 2017 Wentz

Makes sense to bank on a guy being what he was 4 years and not 6 months ago.

Same retards start Kaepernick for QB threads.

 

[46plank]

I agree mostly with the OP. Wentz, as he played last year does not give you much of an edge over drafting a mid 1st rd QB. And if you are trading a 1st rd for Wentz and paying him 20-25 mil a year, you are expecting him to play much better than a mid 1st rd rookie.

After all, the rookie would only be making around 4 mil a year and give you 15-20 mil in extra cap space. Thats the difference in resigning Arob. Or going out and upgrading the OL and adding offensive playmakers. That's why, to me, Wentz is worth more like a 2nd + 4th rounder.

Pick #20 is more than enough to me. I personally would lean toward the draft, but can understand Nagy & Pace leaning toward Wentz in that he can likely bring more to the table in the immediate future and potentially salvage their jobs.

But, who are you drafting at 20? Trask?

 

[BobInIndy]

I've watched the Bears for over 50 years.
Tell me when they have ever 'developed' a QB?
Few QBs that come to the Bears, improve their stats.
It's not in their (Bears) culture and currently Nagy hasn't shown that he can develop a QB.
Nor can it be shown that Nagy can adjust his scheming to use the skills of a QB.
Getting a Rookie would be a waste with Nagy.

 

[Nail Polish]

I've watched the Bears for over 50 years.
Tell me when they have ever 'developed' a QB?
Few QBs that come to the Bears, improve their stats.
It's not in their (Bears) culture and currently Nagy hasn't shown that he can develop a QB.
Nor can it be shown that Nagy can adjust his scheming to use the skills of a QB.
Getting a Rookie would be a waste with Nagy.

Bob..Not only have they not developed a QB, the established ones they trade for regress under their tutelage

 

[TL1961]

A question so profoundly clueless it needed its own thread.

They draft at #20. There isn't a QB that will last that long worth having.

 

[run and shoot]

Unfortunately, I haven't seen much in the development of any QB on the Bears.
Drafting a Rookie, for development, seems to be an oxymoronic phrase.
Our best bet is to trade for an experienced person.
At least you'll know what you will get.

Actually I think ya know ya got when ya draft and develop yer own. I'll have to do some research, but I bet most teams get to a SB with their own drafted Qb

 

[Leomaz]

A question so profoundly clueless it needed its own thread.

They draft at #20. There isn't a QB that will last that long worth having.

In your opinion. The problem is thinking that the only quarterback worth having has to be drafted in the upper half of the first round. In my opinion I think they can trade down and still get a quarterback worth having.......

 

[Leomaz]

Actually I think ya know ya got when ya draft and develop yer own. I'll have to do some research, but I bet most teams get to a SB with their own drafted Qb

Tampa Bay
New Orleans
Oakland
Denver
San Francisco
St. Louis
Green Bay
Just to name a few

 

[mecha]

you spend a lot in trades if it's for a player that's like the missing link to you winning a Super Bowl. like a true "win now" situation. the Bears are not in a true "win now" situation. getting the greatest quarterback ever isn't going to change what the Bears are, a one and done playoff team at best. they have a lot of work to do just on the coaching level. they maybe have made some good hires that will yield positive results going forward. they lied themselves into believing they could "win now" with hiring "offensive guru" Nagy and the Mack deal in 2018, it's completely derailed the team's progress since. with Fangio they were able to fudge their way by, and if not for one of the worst kickers in the league, they maybe could've been successful. it doesn't mask the fact Nagy isn't an offensive guru, or at least he's so fundamentally deficient in every other area of being a head coach it hasn't been able to come to fruition yet.

Tampa Bay
New Orleans
Denver
Just to name a few

you just cited the best quarterbacks of the last generation in Brady, Brees, and Manning (even though he was broken down and was carried by their defense). not that this has anything to do with it though, right?

 

[Leomaz]

you spend a lot in trades if it's for a player that's like the missing link to you winning a Super Bowl. like a true "win now" situation. the Bears are not in a true "win now" situation. getting the greatest quarterback ever isn't going to change what the Bears are, a one and done playoff team at best. they have a lot of work to do just on the coaching level. they maybe have made some good hires that will yield positive results going forward. they lied themselves into believing they could "win now" with hiring "offensive guru" Nagy and the Mack deal in 2018, it's completely derailed the team's progress since. with Fangio they were able to fudge their way by, and if not for one of the worst kickers in the league, they maybe could've been successful. it doesn't mask the fact Nagy isn't an offensive guru, or at least he's so fundamentally deficient in every other area of being a head coach it hasn't been able to come to fruition yet.



you just cited the best quarterbacks of the last generation in Brady, Brees, and Manning (even though he was broken down and was carried by their defense). not that this has anything to do with it though, right?

they went to Super Bowls with teams that didn’t draft them is what I was pointing out

 

[mecha]

they went to Super Bowls with teams that didn’t draft them is what I was pointing out

they may be the lone exceptions. I guess is what I'm getting at.

 

[RiDLer80]

Pace and Nagy know their asses are on the line this season with another mediocre record so they can't wait for a rookie QB to develop.

 

[run and shoot]

Actually I think ya know ya got when ya draft and develop yer own. I'll have to do some research, but I bet most teams get to a SB with their own drafted Qb

Tampa Bay
New Orleans
Oakland
Denver
San Francisco
St. Louis
Green Bay
Just to name a few

?....Ok you forced me do to some research on this. But I'm curious. So lets take a look at all SB's Winning and losing quarterbacks.

Lets see how many of them actually drafted their own Qb. I'll put a star/asterisk by the SB teams who drafted their own Qb. In the early days the AFL may have drafted a Qb....but that Qb might've went with the NFL as a rookie. So thats up for grabs. But it's still like taking your own Qb from scratch since he's a rookie.
Let me know if I made any mistakes.




Super Bowl Starting QBs 1 to 55

Super Bowl	Date ​	Starting Quarterback/Team	College	Date of Birth	Age
I​	1/15/67 ​	BART STARR, Green Bay Packers *	Alabama	1/9/34	33
LEN DAWSON, Kansas City Chiefs*	Purdue *	6/20/35	31
II​	1/14/68 ​	BART STARR, Green Bay Packers *	Alabama	1/9/34	34
Daryle Lamonica, Oakland Raiders*	Notre Dame *	7/17/41	26
III​	1/12/69 ​	JOE NAMATH, New York Jets *	Alabama	5/31/43	25
Earl Morrall, Baltimore Colts	Michigan State	5/17/34	34
IV​	1/11/70 ​	LEN DAWSON, Kansas City Chiefs*	Purdue	6/20/35	34
Joe Kapp, Minnesota Vikings	California	3/19/38	31
V​	1/17/71 ​	JOHNNY UNITAS, Baltimore Colts *	Louisville	5/7/33	37
Craig Morton, Dallas Cowboys	California	2/5/43	27
VI​	1/16/72 ​	ROGER STAUBACH * , Dallas Cowboys	Navy	2/5/42	29
BOB GRIESE, Miami Dolphins *	Purdue	2/3/45	26
VII​	1/14/73 ​	BOB GRIESE, Miami Dolphins *	Purdue	2/3/45	27
Bill Kilmer, Washington Redskins	UCLA	9/5/39	33
VIII​	1/13/74 ​	BOB GRIESE, Miami Dolphins *	Purdue	2/3/45	28
FRAN TARKENTON, Minnesota Vikings	Georgia	2/3/40	33
IX​	1/12/75 ​	TERRY BRADSHAW, Pittsburgh Steelers	Louisiana Tech	9/2/48	26
FRAN TARKENTON, Minnesota Vikings *	Georgia	2/3/40	34
X​	1/18/76 ​	TERRY BRADSHAW, Pittsburgh Steelers *	Louisiana Tech	9/2/48	27
ROGER STAUBACH, Dallas Cowboys *	Navy	2/5/42	33
XI​	1/9/77 ​	KEN STABLER, Oakland Raiders*	Alabama	12/25/45	31
FRAN TARKENTON, Minnesota Vikings *	Georgia	2/3/40	36
XII​	1/15/78 ​	ROGER STAUBACH, Dallas Cowboys *	Navy	2/5/42	35
Craig Morton, Denver Broncos	California	2/5/43	34
XIII​	1/21/79 ​	TERRY BRADSHAW, Pittsburgh Steelers *	Louisiana Tech	9/2/48	30
ROGER STAUBACH, Dallas Cowboys *	Navy	2/5/42	36
XIV​	1/20/80 ​	TERRY BRADSHAW, Pittsburgh Steelers *	Louisiana Tech	9/2/48	31
Vince Ferragamo, Los Angeles Rams *	California, Nebraska	4/24/54	25
XV​	1/25/81 ​	Jim Plunkett, Oakland Raiders	Stanford	12/5/47	33
Ron Jaworski, Philadelphia Eagles *	Youngstown State	3/23/51	29
XVI​	1/24/82 ​	JOE MONTANA, San Francisco 49ers *	Notre Dame	6/11/56	25
Ken Anderson, Cincinnati Bengals * *	*Augustana (IL)	2/15/49	32
XVII​	1/30/83 ​	Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins	Notre Dame	9/9/49	33
David Woodley, Miami Dolphins * *	Louisiana State	10/25/58	24
XVIII​	1/22/84 ​	Jim Plunkett, Los Angeles Raiders	Stanford	12/5/47	36
Joe Theismann, Washington Redskins	Notre Dame	9/9/49	34