Why did Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson draft two slot receivers with the first two picks?

[msadows]

Man, is you're refrain a tired one. When are you going to stop being a wet blanket and unsubstantiated critic?

So Loveland is a guaranteed backup, but whichever OT they reached mightily for at #10 was a guaranteed starter? Ersery is as raw as the OT we eventually DID take, at #56!

And if you're implying they should have taken a G instead, at #10, they would not have started, either. We have established starters at all 3 interior slots.

Dude, give your schtick a rest

Loveland/burden will both play heavily in the slot.

I expect kmet to still be the starting TE but that doesnt mean loveland wont be out there a ton. The bears prior to the draft had zaccheus as their starting slot WR, they upgraded a fuckton at that position.

 

[playthrough2001]

Looking through the thread you’re commenting on:



“This pick seems like a luxury when there are so many glaring holes” resulted in 9+ pages in which almost no one is defending the player picked.

Go over to the Athletic and see what Dane Brugler says about the pick and the player.

While you’re there, check out Jahns’ article.

And the Beat Writers Favorite Picks article…

 

[Toast88]

Go over to the Athletic and see what Dane Brugler says about the pick and the player.

While you’re there, check out Jahns’ article.

And the Beat Writers Favorite Picks article…

As I’ve said, I like the player. I’m actually one of the only people in this thread to say good things about him.

 

[Toast88]

Man, is you're refrain a tired one. When are you going to stop being a wet blanket and unsubstantiated critic?

So Loveland is a guaranteed backup, but whichever OT they reached mightily for at #10 was a guaranteed starter? Ersery is as raw as the OT we eventually DID take, at #56!

And if you're implying they should have taken a G instead, at #10, they would not have started, either. We have established starters at all 3 interior slots.

Dude, give your schtick a rest

Never guaranteed anything, but a rookie slot receiver/TE2 probably isn’t going to play most snaps.

“Unsubstantiated critic”? Lol, do you know what “unsubstantiated” means? I’d say it’s very substantiated.

Anyway, tell me what you like about the player. What does he do well? What does he not do well? *Why* am I wrong?

I’m seeing almost nothing in this thread about the actual player, just boring insults.

 

[Toast88]

Loveland/burden will both play heavily in the slot.

I expect kmet to still be the starting TE but that doesnt mean loveland wont be out there a ton. The bears prior to the draft had zaccheus as their starting slot WR, they upgraded a fuckton at that position.

Analytical thought instead of raving insults. Friends, be like this post.

 

[--CyBear--]

Never guaranteed anything, but a rookie slot receiver/TE2 probably isn’t going to play most snaps.

“Unsubstantiated critic”? Lol, do you know what “unsubstantiated” means? I’d say it’s very substantiated.

WR3 will also spell WR1 and WR2. Part of this scheme is having enough pieces to be fresh and stay faster than that the D that you've made run all 1/2. What the Lions O did in the 2nd and 4th quarter of games was phenomenal.

 

[SugarWalls]

I’ve been record loving the LB3 pick.

I don’t know enough about Loveland. But he looks the part.

are you talking about the hippolite guy?

 

[modo]

are you talking about the hippolite guy?

LB3 = Burden
Loveland = Loveland

Hyppolite doesn't get a cool name unless he makes the roster. When he does he can be RH2.

 

[Toast88]

WR3 will also spell WR1 and WR2. Part of this scheme is having enough pieces to be fresh and stay faster than that the D that you've made run all 1/2. What the Lions O did in the 2nd and 4th quarter of games was phenomenal.

Fantastic---Would love to see this come to fruition. Hopefully the QB has enough time and wherewithal to be able to get them the ball, and the offense isn't always having to play from behind.

 

[destiny begins]

WR3 will also spell WR1 and WR2. Part of this scheme is having enough pieces to be fresh and stay faster than that the D that you've made run all 1/2. What the Lions O did in the 2nd and 4th quarter of games was phenomenal.

Basically, at all times, the Bears should have a major mismatch against LBs. They should be eating whether it's Loveland, LB3, or Rome setting up on the line.

 

[Washington]

LB3 = Burden
Loveland = Loveland

Hyppolite doesn't get a cool name unless he makes the roster. When he does he can be RH2.

Thanks man. I had no idea on what LB3 really was thinking Burden was really WR3. I'm old and I have a slow leak in my brain, so I appreciate the guidance on this one.

 

[sam slocum]

Damn. Take like nine years off from this place and it's still the same people saying the same shit.

Go Bears!

 

[destiny begins]

Real recent Ben Johnson quote:

"I think all we did this weekend is we might've just turned up the notch a couple of dials for certain people in this building. That's a good thing."

So this draft was definitely about sending a little bit of a message to current folks. I don't think the coaching staff loved last year's tape all that much, particularly on the O side.

 

[Runruffshod75]

Seems like luxury picks when there are glaring holes and potential studs who could fill those holes.

Would love to look back in a couple of years and be wrong, but I doubt it.

If someone as slow as Loveland is a SLOT WR than this offense is in deep shit.

 

[Toast88]

If someone as slow as Loveland is a SLOT WR than this offense is in deep shit.

That's where he lined up the vast majority of the time, but I do think he has versatility within this offense.

 

[playthrough2001]

If someone as slow as Loveland is a SLOT WR than this offense is in deep shit.

There are many ways to utilize the slot. Obviously, his involvement would be when they want to go Big Slot. They have Burden and Oz for two way go guys.

 

[Runruffshod75]

there is a lot of that going on around here.

Yet outside of a brief window with Lovie Smith the Bears haven't gotten it right for over 3 decades.

Bears fans may not be familiar with what it takes to build a winner, yet we know what a sh!tshow looks like and after starting off the off-season with a handful of quality moves consisting of Johnson, Allen, Thuney & Dalman, it's been a complete nosedive since.

I think that Ryan Poles is a weak GM sandwiched in between Kevin Warren and a first time HC yet to coach even one game but according to the Poles apologists, was just allowed to draft all of his own players.

If your name isn't Andy Reid, Bill Bellichick(with Brady), Sean McVay, Sean Payton or maybe Pete Carroll, and the Harbaugh brothers then you shouldn't be able to just pick all of your own players uncontested.

That first pick feels an awful lot the offenses version of Shea McClellin.

 

[Runruffshod75]

That’s it exactly. Nobody has to like, love, or hate what Poles and Johnson did. However, when you want to criticize with conviction, let’s us know your “master plan.” Give us better insight.

OK. When all of your guys are off the board, you can't trade back and and you are forced into a reach, when all else fails reach for the production. When the first 7 or 8 picks came off the board you could get a general idea how the draft was going to go from start to finish.

I would have reached for Omarion Hampton and the all purpose 1500+ yards & 6-7 TDs from scrimmage for a young QB that desperately needs a reliable running game and a first time HC whose offenses have historically run the ball just a tick under 55% of his offensive snaps.

Your usually right to at least some extent on alot of these players but I'm weary of the Loveland pick. If he pans out I'd rather just utter the words I was wrong and you were right and be done with it.

I don't get it when guys get all wrapped up being right or wrong about individual players when the best suit and ties in the league are getting it right 50% or maybe even 55% of the time.

I like Colston Loveland as a player and liked watching him help Michigan turn the tables on Ohio State. I will support the player and I like the player but I Goddamn hate this pick.

 

[The Doctor]

Of course you should, especially if I had any real power to make said picks. If I have the power, I should be judged on decisions made and missed opportunities, fair game.

I wanted Brock Bowers for 3 years and was told 9 was too high to take him. Then he was arguably the most productive TE last year and given his age, probably will be, barring injury, for the next decade. The very next draft, in nearly an identical draft spot, they take a guy who in his best season gained 65 yds fewer than Bowers did in his worst college season. But I'm supposed to buy that this is a great pick now? Sorry, I can't just forget that.

This is a fair argument but it fails to consider who we had as HC and OC last year. Look at the season Kmet had. That staff didn't know how to use a TE properly. Ben does. If Johnson had been here , I believe Bowers would have beeen a Bear.

 

[playthrough2001]

OK. When all of your guys are off the board, you can't trade back and and you are forced into a reach, when all else fails reach for the production. When the first 7 or 8 picks came off the board you could get a general idea how the draft was going to go from start to finish.

I would have reached for Omarion Hampton and the all purpose 1500+ yards & 6-7 TDs from scrimmage for a young QB that desperately needs a reliable running game and a first time HC whose offenses have historically run the ball just a tick under 55% of his offensive snaps.

Your usually right to at least some extent on alot of these players but I'm weary of the Loveland pick. If he pans out I'd rather just utter the words I was wrong and you were right and be done with it.

I don't get it when guys get all wrapped up being right or wrong about individual players when the best suit and ties in the league are getting it right 50% or maybe even 55% of the time.

I like Colston Loveland as a player and liked watching him help Michigan turn the tables on Ohio State. I will support the player and I like the player but I Goddamn hate this pick.

Drafting Hampton would not have driven me nuts. I consistently thought he was the best player on the field when I watched UNC play and that included Drake Maye in ‘23.

They obviously liked him, but with both on the board at 10, you now know that Johnson preferred Loveland.