Why did Ryan Poles and Ben Johnson draft two slot receivers with the first two picks?

[dennehy]

Is it really? I thought he didn't have much of a history.
Odds are he played up "I have a headache" until Flus was fired, because I kind of remember he got better right after that.

The good news is if Bears have a functional oline we won't need much defense. We should be able to hold our own against Peyton Manning's Colts or Tom Brady's Patriots. On paper we should be the team the league fears having to play.
If we have the oline figured out.

The bad news is we will still need oline until we've built one out of the draft so continuity is going to be fleeting at best.

Your memory is really bad, he never played another snap last season. That's three or four documented concussions, including one where he missed three months.

 

[modo]

To answer the OPs question, I believe the Bears want to create as many mismatches as possible in the passing game. Both Burden and Loveland are very twitchy players off the line giving defenses issues in coverage. A team that is not loaded with speed everywhere will have to make tougher decisions on coverage and hope their players can diagnose plays quickly. If not a couple mismatches here and there should help the Bears move down the field better. The Bears were a good redzone team last year. That is partly on Caleb Williams who did well in the redzone and also the fact that they have good targets. That should continue with adding Loveland as a big target for Williams.

What about the oline you ask?

Well the Bears obviously went huge in the offseason to improve the interior. I don't think fans really feel the impact of this until they see it in play.

Well what about the LT position specifically you ask?

I advocated for improving the LT position last season. I would have been fine with a top LT to take the reins if the Bears could get it. A lot of other teams with better draft choices also had the same thought for their own team. Rather than select the 5th OT at 10 they Bears opted to wait for the second round to draft a guy that can push for the LT position. Bears no longer have to rely on KA to be the swing tackle. It is entirely possible That Trapilo could displace Jones or at a minimum provide a reliable backup. Its not like this guy was drafted late. It was the second round.

What about running back you asshole, why didn't they draft a RB for god's sakes????

Well, talentwise, was any running back availble at the time a better talent than Luther Burden III? The Bears did not think so.

The Bears did not trade up for an OT or if they tried teams were not biting. So instead they went out and got someone who they thought could be a difference maker and help create mismatches.

The Bears did not trade up for a RB early either....imaging the dick ripping on this board if they traded up to get a RB? And this is why we are here discussing this....because of dick ripping by fans....

 

[dennehy]

Again, you don’t have to be a chef to know the food is subpar.

I couldn’t be an NFL GM. But I can still tell that Poles sucks. I’m sure you can as well?

What would I have done? Not picked an injured backup tight end who appears to have a low ceiling.

It’s not rocket science, my dude.

I'm not a big fan of this draft, but don't you have to eat the food to know that it's subpar?

 

[Myk]

I think Loveland could have easily been the pick even if Banks was on the board.

That is my fear with as fast as the pick came in. That would be my problem with Poles.

 

[TL1961]

Johnson postgame presser:

“I know Williams got sacked 8 times, but did you see that route our backup tight end ran in the third quarter!? Nice 9 yard gain! “

Protecting Caleb Williams should be THE number one priority, and while they have appeared to do better this offseason than in years past, is anyone actually confident in the o-line or d-line at this point?

This is a good point. I see now why you are upset. The Bears should have addressed O Line this offseason instead of completely ignoring it. Now I understand your stance.

 

[Luke]

We're simply taking a mature, level-headed approach to what happened.

Am I on CCS?

 

[dennehy]

I would have gone Grant or Nolen at 10, Mike Green at 39, probably Anthony Belton at 41, Jalyin Noel or Xavier Watts at 72, Jeffrey Bassa at 148, Monangai and either Sebatian Castro or maybe Luke Lachey in the 7th. Something along those lines.

 

[TL1961]

Like I said, trade down or take whoever the top OL or DL on my board is.

Probably could’ve traded down and still gotten Loveland, but who knows.

This post is revealing.

This post screams "I have no factual basis for being upset and no real alternative I wanted. i just didn't want whatever they do."

"Take just anybody else", immediately followed by "or take the same guy I just said I hated, but magically add draft capital because I just assume you could have because....well, just because!"

There's no point in discussing this any further. You've simply made up your mind (and not necessarily after the pick) that whatever they did was wrong. Just because.

One doesn't need to be a chef to know the food sucks, but one also should not criticize the pilot thinking they could fly the plane better. Especially when proven to be blind.

 

[Myk]

I don't think fans really feel the impact of this until they see it in play.

And they shouldn't. With as many times as Bears have lied to us and just had the worst luck even when they don't outright lie we shouldn't buy into the BS until we see it.
Fans who said we can't get an oline until after we got Williams were just lying sacks of football idiocy. Not having an oline before we got a QB is why this is urgent. There is no wait for next year, this is next year.

I do feel the impact of getting 3 FA olinemen that have never earned an extension who have been injured and it's about the same impact as the BS we were told about 2024.
If I'm going to have hope it will be in the rookie OT and G. As far as Center I have as much faith in Stromberg as anyone else. At least he was taken fairly high in a stiff competition year, if he is qualified he could be the long term solution.
If all the young ones work we are really only in need of a G for a long term oline. One G is nothing.

It's certainly not completely hopeless. I think it's more like the hype fans are spewing is the exact same hype that we always hear that has never been what we see in season.

 

[--CyBear--]

Your memory is really bad, he never played another snap last season. That's three or four documented concussions, including one where he missed three months.

After being put on IR Brisker was completely cleared to return week 15 when his IR ended. They continued a conservative approach in what was an obviously lost season and decided to not bring him back for the last couple games. Still a concern but he was 100% recovered before his IR ended. Concussions are a brain bruise that can take quite some time to heal but if you let them, you should be fine. It's when you don't (which is the norm as becoming asymptomatic is not the same as fully healed) that make long term issues and reoccurrences more common. I'm actually kinda optimistic about Brisker this year simply due to the conservative approach the team took with him last year. Much higher chance of getting fully recovered before camp.

 

[Myk]

Your memory is really bad, he never played another snap last season. That's three or four documented concussions, including one where he missed three months.

Could be memory but I'd think on this topic (Bears) I've just checked out.

 

[dennehy]

After being put on IR Brisker was completely cleared to return week 15 when his IR ended. They continued a conservative approach in what was an obviously lost season and decided to not bring him back for the last couple games. Still a concern but he was 100% recovered before his IR ended. Concussions are a brain bruise that can take quite some time to heal but if you let them, you should be fine. It's when you don't (which is the norm as becoming asymptomatic is not the same as fully healed) that make long term issues and reoccurrences more common. I'm actually kinda optimistic about Brisker this year simply due to the conservative approach the team took with him last year. Much higher chance of getting fully recovered before camp.

That is his third or fourth documented concussion and he wasn't cleared for two months. The more concussions, in general the more long term damage. And if you remember he played in the game after he was concussed, and wasn't put on the injury list until the following week.

I think it's crazy to not be worried that.

 

[modo]

And they shouldn't. With as many times as Bears have lied to us and just had the worst luck even when they don't outright lie we shouldn't buy into the BS until we see it.
Fans who said we can't get an oline until after we got Williams were just lying sacks of football idiocy. Not having an oline before we got a QB is why this is urgent. There is no wait for next year, this is next year.

I do feel the impact of getting 3 FA olinemen that have never earned an extension who have been injured and it's about the same impact as the BS we were told about 2024.
If I'm going to have hope it will be in the rookie OT and G. As far as Center I have as much faith in Stromberg as anyone else. At least he was taken fairly high in a stiff competition year, if he is qualified he could be the long term solution.
If all the young ones work we are really only in need of a G for a long term oline. One G is nothing.

It's certainly not completely hopeless. I think it's more like the hype fans are spewing is the exact same hype that we always hear that has never been what we see in season.

I am not going to debate you on whether Thuney, Dalman, Jackson are serious upgrades over Jenkins, Shelton, and Pryor.....

I think you need your head screwed on a little better than that.

You'd be hard pressed to find linemen that have never lost time to injury.

 

[--CyBear--]

Another excellent post...

I was a Banks guy, but I’m not sure they liked him at all. I heard the pick and listened to their explanation and I get it. Quite frankly, it seems like with actual NFL talent evaluators, Loveland was the preferred option over Warren too. Plus, Loveland was drafted right about where he was slotted by the draftniks like Jeremiah and Brugler. I think Loveland could have easily been the pick even if Banks was on the board.

The Bears explained it too. Loveland fits with Cole. Warren is like Cole. Loveland increases their ability to create mismatches and mask their intentions on offense. They can play him in other groupings than 12 too because of his route running and receiving prowess.

Perhaps but you can't damn based on speculation. The top Ts were gone in a shallow draft at the top.

 

[--CyBear--]

That is his third or fourth documented concussion and he wasn't cleared for two months. The more concussions, in general the more long term damage. And if you remember he played in the game after he was concussed, and wasn't put on the injury list until the following week.

I think it's crazy to not be worried that.

He was put on IR so he wasn't allowed to practice or come back sooner. We have no idea when he would have been cleared without that. I said I feel 'kinda optimistic' because they got conservative in a lost season and gave him time to heal. I didn't say I have no concerns.

Message boards are like politics. Seems there's never any middle ground when that's where most of the answers lie.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

This post is revealing.

This post screams "I have no factual basis for being upset and no real alternative I wanted. i just didn't want whatever they do."

"Take just anybody else", immediately followed by "or take the same guy I just said I hated, but magically add draft capital because I just assume you could have because....well, just because!"

There's no point in discussing this any further. You've simply made up your mind (and not necessarily after the pick) that whatever they did was wrong. Just because.

One doesn't need to be a chef to know the food sucks, but one also should not criticize the pilot thinking they could fly the plane better. Especially when proven to be blind.

People just screaming they should've traded down in 1 are clueless. There was reports all week that teams wanted to trade down, yet there was no trade downs between 3 and 24 I believe. Maybe those teams just stopped trying to trade down?

 

[Myk]

I am not going to debate you on whether Thuney, Dalman, Jackson are serious upgrades over Jenkins, Shelton, and Pryor.....

I think you need your head screwed on a little better than that.

You'd be hard pressed to find linemen that have never lost time to injury.

Nothing you could say could debate me. My head is no longer "Rah Rah Bears, win the offseason again". I need to see it in game 1.
You said it yourself. I quoted it and gave my reason to it

Trying to hype me up isn't going to change anything. I need to see it. I don't care if we win another off season.

 

[Toast88]

That’s it exactly. Nobody has to like, love, or hate what Poles and Johnson did. However, when you want to criticize with conviction, let’s us know your “master plan.” Give us better insight.

Lol, never said I had a master plan. Like I said, I couldn’t be an NFL GM.

 

[Toast88]

Some of you all are losing it. Go back and read the original post and all my other posts in this thread.

No raging. No saying the sky is falling. No saying fire everyone. No saying Loveland is going to suck. No saying I could do better. Just that I’m not a big fan of this early draft approach.

Some of you guys are acting like I killed your puppy.

 

[modo]

Nothing you could say could debate me. My head is no longer "Rah Rah Bears, win the offseason again". I need to see it in game 1.
You said it yourself. I quoted it and gave my reason to it

Trying to hype me up isn't going to change anything. I need to see it. I don't care if we win another off season.

You can hate the Bears management and the Bears in general and still appreciate they made good moves on the oline this offseason. You don't have to be rah rah to say that Thuney, Jackson, and Dalman were upgrades.