Wild or Avalanche?

[Crystallas]

Who's it gonna be next?

 

[CuttyMarsh2012forOffice]

Avs. GIIVE me the Avs. then we face Anaheim or LA in the WCF.

 

[ClydeLee]

It'll be the Avs, Wild can't matchup to slow them down enough with their 1 D pairing in Colorado.

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[CreepyBasementGuy]

Well, it'll probably be Colorado, but I'd prefer the Wild

 

[SERE Bear]

Can someone breakdown the differences between the Avalanche and the Wild?

Which would the Blackhawks match up better with? Why?


Thanks

 

[Raskolnikov]

Can someone breakdown the differences between the Avalanche and the Wild?

Which would the Blackhawks match up better with? Why?


Thanks

In my opinion the Avs are excellent on the power play or any time they have a man advantage. I think our odd penalty kill style backfires on them. Considering our penchant for late goals let in when leading by one we should be concerned that they have 6 empty net goals for this season and 2 more in the playoffs already. The Avs are young and counter attack us very well, they have had the upper hand the last couple of years since we got famous again. They ended the famous streak to start last season, and they have continued to beat us this year.

Kieth and Seabrook seem to get beat up the ice by the younger athletes at elevation in Colorado. It might effect Hossa. I think the Avs are one of the worst teams for us to face in the league, whereas the Wild are far too boring to beat us.

The Wild are not good at scoring, though they are dangerous they just don't seem to be able to keep up with us when it matters most. We beat them in last years first round relatively easy I believe, and they are a little better but not good enough to beat us.

I'm intrigued to see if we can overcome Colorado who I think plays us smarter than any other team with their use of the counter attack. There fan base is going crazy about their 18 year old Mckinnon who was sensational in the first series, he has 8 or 9 points I think and is very adept at tips. Their coach is also steadfast, he is a Q type of guy. Very tough....Hall of Fame Goalie Roy, won't like Q too much probably but will be fun if they interact.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Avs. GIIVE me the Avs. then we face Anaheim or LA in the WCF.

Counting your eggs before they hatch.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Counting your eggs before they hatch.

yeah...and for another the Sharks look pretty dang dangerous. Its possible none of those teams even get out of the first round right now.

 

[DMelt36]

Counting your eggs before they hatch.

Sorta like all the people who declared the Blues the favorites in the West after the Miller trade, eh?

 

[1COBearsfan]

Hopefully it'll be the avs so I can see the Hawks play

 

[Capt. Serious]

Ducks play the Sharks or Kings..epic.

Hope the Avs win tomorrow so I can see my two favs go at it.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Ducks play the Sharks or Kings..epic.

Hope the Avs win tomorrow so I can see my two favs go at it.

Yeah I live in CO so its the most interesting to me, then Sharks afterward. But I fear those two the most

 

[Mongo_76]

Can someone breakdown the differences between the Avalanche and the Wild?

Which would the Blackhawks match up better with? Why?


Thanks

Here's one persons take on the match-up when it was thought the Avs and Hawks would face up in the first round:
_________


Fresh off another loss to the Colorado Avalanche, the Chicago Blackhawks‘ first round opponent in the 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs appears all but set in stone.

That opponent is, as you may have guessed, the very same Avalanche.

It is unlikely that either team will surpass the St. Louis Blues for first in the Central Divison. All that remains to be settled, then, is which of Chicago or Colorado will have home-ice advantage.

I don’t think that will especially matter, frankly. The Avalanche haven’t had trouble winning at the United Center this season, and the Blackhawks have been a strong road team during each of their lengthy playoff runs in 2010 and 2013.

The results of the season series between the two are almost indisputably deceiving; Colorado was significantly outshot and outplayed in four of the five games, yet managed to win three of of them, although to its credit also came away victorious in the evenly-played tilt in Denver on Wednesday night.

Semyon Varlamov has been brilliant against Chicago all season long. On the other side of things, nearly all of Corey Crawford‘s worst performances of 2013-14 have come against Colorado. Such realities often engender popular (but nevertheless silly) storylines; namely, the ever-informative “he just has that team’s number” or its sister assertion, “that team just has his number.” These, of course, are simply unnecessary ways of disguising the term “luck.” That is to say, Varlamov has been unsustainably good and Crawford has been unsustainably bad.

Indeed, this also extrapolates to the Avalanche and Blackhawks as a collective. As mentioned, Chicago has dominated in terms of scoring chances in four of the five games, yet lost three of them (due to Crawford and Varlamov). There is a narrative gaining steam among Blackhawks fans that “Chicago can’t handle Colorado’s speed” or something to that effect. Put no stock in any such claim; as is typical of any small sample size, wins and losses can often be a terribly inaccurate reflection of which team was superior.

In sum, it is exceedingly doubtful that Varlamov will be able to maintain a save percentage in the high 90s during a playoff series. Additionally, Crawford will all but surely play better than he has in the five games against the Avalanche this year.

Prior luck can be an awfully tricky, confounding factor when it comes to predicting the outcome of a playoff series based on regular season matchups. The most appropriate way to go about things, then, is to look at which team carried the majority of the play head-to-head. That was, of course, Chicago, and decisively so.

Assuming full health for both teams, the Blackhawks would likely win a series against the Avalanche in five games.
Championship experience doesn’t hurt.

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/...tchup-colorado-avalanche/#qrwhtERFdxj0PLO5.99

 

[B18]

I'm pretty positive the Avs will win the series against the wild. If the horseshit that happened in their last game was called it may have been the wild. With that said the hawks will have their hands full with Colorado. Can't ask for a better goalie in Varlamov to knock out of the playoffs. We will see what happens.

 

[fatbeard]

I'm pretty positive the Avs will win the series against the wild. If the horseshit that happened in their last game was called it may have been the wild. With that said the hawks will have their hands full with Colorado. Can't ask for a better goalie in Varlamov to knock out of the playoffs. We will see what happens.

I really wouldn't be concerned with a Colorado matchup at all. The Avs are talented risers but also a very young, very green team when it comes to the postseason. The Blackhawks boast what is probably the best combination of talent, experience, and mental toughness in the NHL, approaching a level we haven't seen since the Jordan Bulls. St. Louis was a brutal matchup and a lesser team would've easily folded after that blowing that second game the way the Hawks did.

 

[Sentinel]

My brother was irritated by us losing to the Avs all season long. I kept telling him "Who the **** cares if we lose to them in the regular season. We'll get them in the playoffs."

Certainly looks like I stand to be confirmed correct.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Here's one persons take on the match-up when it was thought the Avs and Hawks would face up in the first round:
_________


Fresh off another loss to the Colorado Avalanche, the Chicago Blackhawks‘ first round opponent in the 2014 Stanley Cup Playoffs appears all but set in stone.

That opponent is, as you may have guessed, the very same Avalanche.

It is unlikely that either team will surpass the St. Louis Blues for first in the Central Divison. All that remains to be settled, then, is which of Chicago or Colorado will have home-ice advantage.

I don’t think that will especially matter, frankly. The Avalanche haven’t had trouble winning at the United Center this season, and the Blackhawks have been a strong road team during each of their lengthy playoff runs in 2010 and 2013.

The results of the season series between the two are almost indisputably deceiving; Colorado was significantly outshot and outplayed in four of the five games, yet managed to win three of of them, although to its credit also came away victorious in the evenly-played tilt in Denver on Wednesday night.

Semyon Varlamov has been brilliant against Chicago all season long. On the other side of things, nearly all of Corey Crawford‘s worst performances of 2013-14 have come against Colorado. Such realities often engender popular (but nevertheless silly) storylines; namely, the ever-informative “he just has that team’s number” or its sister assertion, “that team just has his number.” These, of course, are simply unnecessary ways of disguising the term “luck.” That is to say, Varlamov has been unsustainably good and Crawford has been unsustainably bad.

Indeed, this also extrapolates to the Avalanche and Blackhawks as a collective. As mentioned, Chicago has dominated in terms of scoring chances in four of the five games, yet lost three of them (due to Crawford and Varlamov). There is a narrative gaining steam among Blackhawks fans that “Chicago can’t handle Colorado’s speed” or something to that effect. Put no stock in any such claim; as is typical of any small sample size, wins and losses can often be a terribly inaccurate reflection of which team was superior.

In sum, it is exceedingly doubtful that Varlamov will be able to maintain a save percentage in the high 90s during a playoff series. Additionally, Crawford will all but surely play better than he has in the five games against the Avalanche this year.

Prior luck can be an awfully tricky, confounding factor when it comes to predicting the outcome of a playoff series based on regular season matchups. The most appropriate way to go about things, then, is to look at which team carried the majority of the play head-to-head. That was, of course, Chicago, and decisively so.

Assuming full health for both teams, the Blackhawks would likely win a series against the Avalanche in five games.
Championship experience doesn’t hurt.

http://www.rantsports.com/nhl/2014/...tchup-colorado-avalanche/#qrwhtERFdxj0PLO5.99

sometimes you have to believe in your own eyes though. I have seen their young guys beat our veterans up the ice and lead to breakaway goals. this says "There is a narrative gaining steam among Blackhawks fans that “Chicago can’t handle Colorado’s speed” or something to that effect. Put no stock in any such claim; as is typical of any small sample size,)

sure...if you are trying to quantify everything with data, but I am saying with my own eyes I don't like the matchup. I have seen it several times and we consistently give away better scoring chances and I believe it is due to something they picked up on film. they have a tactic for us and have had more success with inferior teams than any other team in recent history against Chicago which has about 10 forwards who would be considered "top 6" in most franchises. Guys like Sharp and Saad are under the radar here but that is not the case, they are stars. Their points back that up and Sharp has done it elsewhere too. We just have 3 superstar forwards and a hall of fame defender that take alot of glory away from our true strength, quality depth.

Until we eliminate them I am very concerned. Could we sweep them? Absolutely, they are much improved from a talent standpoint to last year when just their tactic and effort caused us trouble though.

I will be rooting for the Wild to force game 7 tonight, probably fruitlessly as I think the Avalanche go take care of business in a tough atmosphere, but its hockey and the Wild can sneak enough in to win for sure. Game 7 would at least let us rest from the Blues, I think we have played the most brutal series but at least the kings came to life and stressed the Sharks some. It evens out because we are the only team relaxing right now.

I'm convinced they know something about us, because they change their style and play us the same each time, relying on their speed to create chances, especially at elevation.

Of the 32 teams in the league, I think its fair they rank 32nd in fear of us.

And their speed is a problem, I'm sorry you can't back that up with scoring chances and data, but I believe what I have seen, and I have seen their speed cause us fits and disrupt our style.

Notice we were best trading chances with the blues and going back and forth, they won't allow us to. they will forecheck and wait to break out when its their advantage or they catch us on long shifts.

Its foolish to underestimate them and assume they have not identified something about us, because even when they were bottom 10 in talent they were doing something to us.

It wasn't an accident that we could go 24 games without losing and then show up in Colorado, look flat, play slow, and get beat up the ice. Of course we were tired at that time. Of course the elevation hurt. But they continued to dominate everyone else after that all season except Co kept popping up and giving us problems and that continued this year.

You can think its an accident, but I know they are being tactical and delibrate against us, I have seen it. Always trust eyes over compiled data, imo

 

[Raskolnikov]

My brother was irritated by us losing to the Avs all season long. I kept telling him "Who the **** cares if we lose to them in the regular season. We'll get them in the playoffs."

Certainly looks like I stand to be confirmed correct.

its been going on for two years, which leads me to believe there is something systemic going on. They certainly have no fear of us, or respect that most teams do for good reason, but for us its a chance to exercise those demons and further establish dynasty and league dominance.

I look forward to it from that basis, but would much rather play Anaheim, San Jose, or another more talented team that doesn't have our number.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Sere Bear probably has the best eye I have ever heard of. I would be very pleased if you watched game 6 in Minny in 40 minutes and told us what YOU THINK about our next opponents.

 

[Raskolnikov]

there is now legitimate chance we get the 2 day rest. Not sure what I prefer more, 2 days of rest or getting the Wild instead.

Both would be practically be a free pass to the west finals. Just making the Avs work hard makes me happy though. Lets go Wild!!