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Looks like we have a few guys that know the history of the war very well. It's interesting and I would like to read more of what you guys think. Damn it! Would a mod fix the thread title?
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Yes that is a fair point. If they had finished the Atomic Bomb then that would obviously be a game changer. Although to some extent that would have defeated the purpose of invading Russia as the main reason for doing so is that Hitler wanted the land so dropping an Atomic Bomb on Russia would have destroyed much of the farmland unless the target of said bomb was just a city like Moscow.
Yes that is a fair point. If they had finished the Atomic Bomb then that would obviously be a game changer. Although to some extent that would have defeated the purpose of invading Russia as the main reason for doing so is that Hitler wanted the land so dropping an Atomic Bomb on Russia would have destroyed much of the farmland unless the target of said bomb was just a city like Moscow.
I'm assuming that is where Germany would have droped it.
Yes but again, I think ultimately Hitler would have had to make a choice. Russia isn't like France or Britain or Japan. Taking out Moscow doesn't equal taking out Russia because much of the productive capacity was in the east. Russia was still largely an agrarian society and not an industrial one so taking out their capital doesn't have the same effect as it would on another country. If Hitler wanted to crush Russia with nukes, he would have to nuke a lot of the very land he wanted for the Germans.
And again, unlike France and Britain there was no surrender for Russia. You bomb Paris or London and France or Britain may give up and accept whatever unfair Peace Treaty Hitler offered. The same can't be said for Russia as Hitler made it clear, there was no future for a Slav in his New World Order. So the Russians aren't going to give up when doing so meant extinction for their people. This wasn't a conventional war for Russia like it was for France or Britain. This was a war of annihilation hence why after the war was won, Stalin wanted to turn Germany into a potato field. The only thing that prevented him from doing so was the Allies. That was really where the US war effort paid off as it prevented the USSR from basically sending Germany back to the Dark Ages.
Put another way, the industrial revolution for the the West occurred in the big cities like London and Paris so taking those cities out would cripple the war effort of those countries. However, the industrial revolution for Russia didn't occur in Moscow so much as it occurred in the countryside and all those places where Russia turned farmland into factory land. So a place like Moscow certainly had some symbolic and strategic significance but it's really the country side and the Trans-Siberian railroad that you have to dismantle in order to defeat Russia.
Yes but again, I think ultimately Hitler would have had to make a choice. Russia isn't like France or Britain or Japan. Taking out Moscow doesn't equal taking out Russia because much of the productive capacity was in the east. Russia was still largely an agrarian society and not an industrial one so taking out their capital doesn't have the same effect as it would on another country. If Hitler wanted to crush Russia with nukes, he would have to nuke a lot of the very land he wanted for the Germans.
And again, unlike France and Britain there was no surrender for Russia. You bomb Paris or London and France or Britain may give up and accept whatever unfair Peace Treaty Hitler offered. The same can't be said for Russia as Hitler made it clear, there was no future for a Slav in his New World Order. So the Russians aren't going to give up when doing so meant extinction for their people. This wasn't a conventional war for Russia like it was for France or Britain. This was a war of annihilation hence why after the war was won, Stalin wanted to turn Germany into a potato field. The only thing that prevented him from doing so was the Allies. That was really where the US war effort paid off as it prevented the USSR from basically sending Germany back to the Dark Ages.
Put another way, the industrial revolution for the the West occurred in the big cities like London and Paris so taking those cities out would cripple the war effort of those countries. However, the industrial revolution for Russia didn't occur in Moscow so much as it occurred in the countryside and all those places where Russia turned farmland into factory land. So a place like Moscow certainly had some symbolic and strategic significance but it's really the country side and the Trans-Siberian railroad that you have to dismantle in order to defeat Russia.
I don't think your taking into account the financial aid though it was very signifigant remove that and the infrastructure your talking about doesn't exsist also don't forget the Japanese would have been coming in from the east as well without a doubt and unhindered by us oil embargoes they were very formidable in their own right