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I dont think im ever going to wrap my head around these CBA changes. I wont be able to involve myself in trade talks with all these crazy ass cap regulations and rules which are confusing. Im going to be called a fucking idiot more so than ever before now.

No shame in not knowing these ins and outs...the NHLPA almost missed the HRR issue (if you believe them) and they had document-in-hand.



There are tons of details on how these CBAs work where fans just cannot get a straight answer.



For instance, penalties for teams with players retiring early...do the rules in p.lace at the time you signed the player not apply? I would think the new rule would only affect players signed from now on.
 

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This CBA signed this year should not affect Hossa as he was signed under that LAST CBA, should it?



Yes it effects current contracts specifically. New contracts are capped at 7 years for free agents and 8 years for re-signing your own player. There is no penalty for new contracts signed.
 

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Olesz will have to be bought out this year.



If he's sent down, he'll have a cap hit of 2.25mil this year, since he's paid 900K to be in Rockford, the remainder will be assessed to the Hawks cap.



Bye Bye Rusty
 

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Olesz will have to be bought out this year.



If he's sent down, he'll have a cap hit of 2.25mil this year, since he's paid 900K to be in Rockford, the remainder will be assessed to the Hawks cap.



Bye Bye Rusty



Is this a new rule?
 

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Well...all the rules now are new, aren't they?



But I was reading that elsewhere...so you can't just bury the guy/something to that effect
 

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But you can't buy anyone out until next year. It isn't a problem though as this years Cap is 70 million and the Hawks are around 66 million even with Rusty's hit.
 

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Olesz will have to be bought out this year.



If he's sent down, he'll have a cap hit of 2.25mil this year, since he's paid 900K to be in Rockford, the remainder will be assessed to the Hawks cap.



Bye Bye Rusty



No, bye bye Montador this summer with the first amnesty because he has a roster spot for 14/15.. Then the summer of 2014, when Olesz is not on the roster anyway, they will use the 2nd amnesty on someone else who actually has a roster spot for 14/15.



The cap goes down in 14/15 to 62m so the Hawks need cap relief for that season.
 

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Definitely. That people think that these injuries are on the rise, I don't really believe that. There's just more awareness about today than there was before.

Watch a game from 20 years ago...I was watching the 94 cup finals the other day and noting how players hit differently back then. They were using shoulder checks because there were repercussions for attempting to hurt someone.
 

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You don't need a big hit or a dirty hit to get a concussion. You don't even need a head hit. 1994? Wasn't the instigator rule put in place a few years earlier than that? And isn't that the era of Scott Stevens decapitating anyone crossing the blue line? And then those players coming right back out on the ice after having "shook the cob webs" out? It was lack of awareness.
 

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The hits were talking about in these past couple years that this all started with new rules in NHL, NFL, were the same hits when the sport started if not nastier. People that have played these games back then retired and lived normal lives with the expection of a very very small % that clamed some sort of ilness which I beleive has nothing to do with the sport they played but a born illness that was gone undetected. People can preach to me on TV or in person that hits are the cause of people in sports committing suicide, I totally disagree. I blame it mostily on the person personal life style and what that person might be taking to calm his pains, like pain killers that are not taken the way they are intended. Any time anyone says anything about hits that are causing these players to go through depression or death, I always reffer to look how long these sports have been around....all of a sudden Dave Duerson, Junior Seau, Rick Rypen ect. kill them selves we blame the sports and the hits??? I don't think so. Maybe what these sports are hiding in order it does not come down crashing is it easly could be very well be linked to Steroids, I have done study about wrestlers in the sports entertainment and all that have died/committed suicide have steroids as the leading cause.



So how do we stop these bullshit hits we all complain about when it comes to the players we like...one way.....Retailate, it will eventually make the player think twice.
 

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Watch "Head Games" and get back to me on that. That sounds sooo much like what Roger Goodell had said before it exploded in his face. In particular football, what you're talking about, the people you're talking about, the disease they had, CTE, (and how it originates) and the chances of a person getting that are off the wall. And it was something like the first 3 brains they examined from the NFL showed signs of it and he shrugged it off. That is the attitude that gets these leagues into trouble with this shit. They don't take it seriously. This isn't 1994 anymore, yet we still hear that "oh he's shaking the cob webs loose." We know better now. There's no excuse anymore.



Furthermore there have already been done studies researching any possible link of steroids to CTE and there has been nothing found.
 

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