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Or have we realized all he has done was take advantage of a stupid Panthers owner?
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I am still in on him...if he makes the move to a good offensive HC this offseason and goes all in on OL in FA and the draft. Keep Flus or don't acquire 3 quality OL thru FA or draft at least 2 OL with the 1,2,2 then Im out.
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Besides the Young trade I don’t understand why anyone would be “in” on him. His trades have been bad besides two, his FA picks up are non existent and his draft record is Emery like
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Still like him. Not without his warts.
But he has built a team that - talent-wise - can compete for the playoffs.
In terms of players, he also moves on from mistakes quickly.
That's what you want from a GM.
However, if he retains Eberflus beyond this season, I will be out on him.
I am giving Poles the benefit of the doubt in that Eberflus was interviewed before Poles was, and there are enough red flags that, despite what has been said publicly about their relationship, I think ownership told Poles who to hire.
Poles can make the argument this offseason that Eberflus lost the team; an argument he couldn't make last season, where it was very much the opposite.
Honestly? It's entirely possible that Poles was out on Flus last season but ownership made Poles keep Flus another year.
I give Poles another head coach. But I want Warren involved as a buffer between ownership and Poles. Warren needs to tell ownership to butt out.
But he has built a team that - talent-wise - can compete for the playoffs.
In terms of players, he also moves on from mistakes quickly.
That's what you want from a GM.
However, if he retains Eberflus beyond this season, I will be out on him.
I am giving Poles the benefit of the doubt in that Eberflus was interviewed before Poles was, and there are enough red flags that, despite what has been said publicly about their relationship, I think ownership told Poles who to hire.
Poles can make the argument this offseason that Eberflus lost the team; an argument he couldn't make last season, where it was very much the opposite.
Honestly? It's entirely possible that Poles was out on Flus last season but ownership made Poles keep Flus another year.
I give Poles another head coach. But I want Warren involved as a buffer between ownership and Poles. Warren needs to tell ownership to butt out.
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That's it, nothing more. He's 100% responsible for this mess, and the downward direction the #1 pick in the draft is heading.
He can be fired as well, I'd be totally happy with that.
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I feel like I've always felt. He's neglected the offensive line.
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"Poles' Smokers" they shall be called.
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Sweat trade was also a win. Drafted Brisker, Gordon, Stevenson, Smith, Dexter. Not a single Kevin White or Shea McClellin pick closest is Velus , but that's a 3rd not 1st, trading a 2nd for Claypool is up there as well. He hasn't really gone big in FA other than Edmunds. FA is usually fools gold, so I don't mind avoiding it for the most part. His dumpster diving for OL in FA has been very poor. Far from the worst GM the Bears have had.
Again, he needs to hit a home run this offseason.
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Think it was obvious going into this season we were probably one more offseason away. Expect OL and another pass rusher to be addressed.
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The problem is those are the premier positions and the foundations of the roster. They should have been ADDRESSED FIRST!
It's better to have Caleb Williams sitting back there in a clean pocket waiting for a scrub WR to get open than having him destroyed before he can hit a stud WR who was open.
It's better to have a stud OLB or DE get to the opposing QB before he can hit an open WR on a blown coverage by a bad secondary than it is to have the QB sitting back there to eventually find the open receiver on a good secondary because there was no pressure. The good QBs will do it.
Everything is backwards with this organization. It's fucking bullshit and they never learn.
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He's got some work to do this offseason to fix some terrible shit. IE head coach and oline. Both of which are problems he created.
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Bro, you are absolutely high if you think that.
The only player Emery grabbed worth a damn was Kyle Long.
Poles successes in 3 drafts:
* Kyler Gordon
* Jaquan Brisker
* Braxton Jones
* Elijah Hicks
* Darnell Wright
* Gervon Dexter
* Tyrique Stevenson (yes he is an idiot, but he still makes plays and just needs better coaching)
* Roschon Johnson
* Caleb Williams
* Rome Odunze
* Tory Taylor
* Austin Booker
Not saying that this is a HOF or even a pro bowl roster, but these are all players who have made plays for the team and some play at a VERY high level.
Then there are the successes in trades and free agency:
* Trading for DJ Moore and flipping the #1 overall pick in 2023.
* Trade for Montez Sweat
* Sign Tremaine Edmunds
* Sign TJ Edwards
* Sign Marcedes Lewis
* Sign D'Andre Swift
* Sign Kevin Byard
Maybe you are expecting perfection? I'm not saying Poles is perfect, but Phil Emery could NEVER. Everyone I named contributes at a decent to high level. And I left off even more role players because I don't think you'd understand team building and how important contributions are from the guys on the bottom of the roster.
You've overstated and overexaggerated Poles's weaknesses.
He does have 2 glaring ones, to be fair:
* Neglecting the offensive line
* Eberflus as head coach (and was he foisted on Poles by ownership? Eberflus WAS interviewed FIRST)
This team is an offensive line and a decent coach away from competing seriously in the playoffs. That's thanks to Poles. Whether you want to admit that or not...
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I do not disagree with this.
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If they get a better coach in the offseason and address the offensive line?
They will be winning playoff games next year.
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Im gonna ask the same question i did when after maybe 4 or so years of Ryan Pace. From best to worst, how many Bears players can you name before you get to a guy drafted by the GM?
The foundation of this team is inherited players and guys he traded for. The Panthers trade was extremely lucky and you cant knock him for that but i think people love to give him a little too much credit for something even the average fan was saying they should do. When you get a massive haul in a trade and on top of that the 1st you receive ends up being the #1 overall that gives you the "generational" QB who makes everyone around him better, i think you chop a year off what people would consider enough time to rebuild.
The excuses are done. He's the guy who decided to build the secondary before the DL. He put more emphasis on WR than OL. QB struggles because of the pressure? Blame Poles. Depth sucks? Whos to blame? Coach is trash? I think he was forced on Poles but the shills here are adamant it was Poles guy, so take the heat.
Maybe when we stop overrating every player because the Bears drafted them, we'll get more honest opinions on the GM.
The foundation of this team is inherited players and guys he traded for. The Panthers trade was extremely lucky and you cant knock him for that but i think people love to give him a little too much credit for something even the average fan was saying they should do. When you get a massive haul in a trade and on top of that the 1st you receive ends up being the #1 overall that gives you the "generational" QB who makes everyone around him better, i think you chop a year off what people would consider enough time to rebuild.
The excuses are done. He's the guy who decided to build the secondary before the DL. He put more emphasis on WR than OL. QB struggles because of the pressure? Blame Poles. Depth sucks? Whos to blame? Coach is trash? I think he was forced on Poles but the shills here are adamant it was Poles guy, so take the heat.
Maybe when we stop overrating every player because the Bears drafted them, we'll get more honest opinions on the GM.
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Never loved Poles, but I'm generally ok with him. The "cooking" stuff is a bit overblown though... there seems to be a little too much love going his way. He's had big misses and some big hits. We're all pretty aware of what those are on both sides. That said, fixing this shit show and working with our beloved McCaskey's is what it is... he has one arm behind his back a lot of the time. I don't think any other random GM hire can be a whole lot better. So that said, I've been more down on him than average fans, but I also don't really think they can hire anyone better cause that position in this organization sucks.
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I think this is a pretty level-headed take.
I already outlined that Poles has done a lot of good, but I think the goodwill ends with this season. Either Poles fires Eberflus and hires a good coach and fixes the offensive line in the offseason, or if he doesn't fire Eberflus or does but gets another McCaskey hand picked coach, Poles has to go.
No matter what, even if we appreciate how we got here, the honeymoon is effectively over for Poles.
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I think the "King Poles" thing is just a combo of fans having fun and Poles actually doing some things right, which hasn't happened often when it comes to Bears GMs.
No GM is perfect, but I do like that Poles moves on from mistakes quickly.
He needs to fire the coaching staff though and fix the offensive line this offseason.