Yall still love King Poles?

[DanielCCSBears]

Or have we realized all he has done was take advantage of a stupid Panthers owner?

Don't mind me I don't know anything about football according to the board.

 

[Icculus]

Never been a poles fan just another shitty McCaskey hire. Can’t take a gm serious that isn’t serious with the trenches

Remember Michael hiring Wanny and Mark Hatley and the Dave McGinnis saga? Good times (Ain't we lucky we got them?).

 

[SugarWalls]

Im gonna ask the same question i did when after maybe 4 or so years of Ryan Pace. From best to worst, how many Bears players can you name before you get to a guy drafted by the GM?

The foundation of this team is inherited players and guys he traded for. The Panthers trade was extremely lucky and you cant knock him for that but i think people love to give him a little too much credit for something even the average fan was saying they should do. When you get a massive haul in a trade and on top of that the 1st you receive ends up being the #1 overall that gives you the "generational" QB who makes everyone around him better, i think you chop a year off what people would consider enough time to rebuild.

The excuses are done. He's the guy who decided to build the secondary before the DL. He put more emphasis on WR than OL. QB struggles because of the pressure? Blame Poles. Depth sucks? Whos to blame? Coach is trash? I think he was forced on Poles but the shills here are adamant it was Poles guy, so take the heat.

Maybe when we stop overrating every player because the Bears drafted them, we'll get more honest opinions on the GM.

Yes the actual good players on this team are Jaylon Johnson, dj moore, Cole kmet, Montez sweat.

I’d probably put Billings in there as well or maybe a half step down.

Who are the next good players on the team? Maybe byard? I mean I like Kyler Gordon when he’s healthy?

Poles has not drafted a single true impact player / difference maker. They are pace hold overs or by way of trade.

His list of HUGE misses easily out weighs the hits.

 

[PhilEBuster]

Or have we realized all he has done was take advantage of a stupid Panthers owner?

Correction, PiB:

It's Pudge Poles . . .

 

[greg23]

I think this is a pretty level-headed take.

I already outlined that Poles has done a lot of good, but I think the goodwill ends with this season. Either Poles fires Eberflus and hires a good coach and fixes the offensive line in the offseason, or if he doesn't fire Eberflus or does but gets another McCaskey hand picked coach, Poles has to go.

No matter what, even if we appreciate how we got here, the honeymoon is effectively over for Poles.

90% of your "successes" that he drafted are just guys.... Brisker/Gordon??? Ok players, ,not game changers or difference makers; and believe both have missed time every year (not good for guys in years 1-3).....and you also included a 5th round rookie who's shown nothing so far

 

[remydat]

Poles only has 1 first rounder who isnt a rookie ie Wright.

So will have to see how Caleb and Odunze turn but Odunze may already be the best WR on the team giving Allen looks dead and Moore is half assing it.

 

[dbldrew]

Yes the actual good players on this team are Jaylon Johnson, dj moore, Cole kmet, Montez sweat.

I’d probably put Billings in there as well or maybe a half step down.

Who are the next good players on the team? Maybe byard? I mean I like Kyler Gordon when he’s healthy?

Poles has not drafted a single true impact player / difference maker. They are pace hold overs or by way of trade.

His list of HUGE misses easily out weighs the hits.

Odunze looks like the real deal.. but yeah other than they he has been a huge disappointment with this roster

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

90% of your "successes" that he drafted are just guys.... Brisker/Gordon??? Ok players, ,not game changers or difference makers; and believe both have missed time every year (not good for guys in years 1-3).....and you also included a 5th round rookie who's shown nothing so far

See though this is what I'm talking about with some of you goofballs. Brisker and Gordon are both really good players. They're not just guys.

You are down playing the actual talent of players on the team because you want to come to your conclusion first and then add the supposed evidence afterwards, instead of looking at the evidence and allowing the evidence to lead you to a conclusion.

 

[PrideisBears]

Don't mind me I don't know anything about football according to the board.

Correct

 

[Toast88]

I like a lot of the things he's done, and I definitely think he's better than Pace. But I think his weaknesses are coming through more distinctly lately, and they may end up costing him his job.

Every Bears fan and prognosticator on the planet could see the issue coming of drafting a new first round quarterback while keeping a coach who probably wasn't going to work out. Poles chose the low-percentage play.

Every Bears fan and prognosticator could tell you what happens when you put a young quarterback behind a really shitty o-line. (paging Jay Cutler, Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields). Poles chose the low-percentage play.


The Bears organization are now in a very tough position, personnel-wise, and Poles has himself to blame. For the sake of argument, let's say Warren lets Poles hire a new head coach. Now Poles is in a position where he's first on the chopping block if there aren't immediate and significant improvements. Then they fire Poles, keep the head coach for a year or whatever, and we repeat this whole process again.

By the way, the wildcard in all of this remains Kevin Warren. We really don't know what he thinks or how much power he truly has. We know the dude has a sizeable ego. Is it enough to show Poles the door after this season if things continue to spiral? Warren may be eager to show his own chops & value, and knows the longer Poles sticks around, the more Poles gets the credit and not himself. If he hires his own GM, though, Warren gets the glory if he can turn things around. Something to keep an eye on.

 

[greg23]

See though this is what I'm talking about with some of you goofballs. Brisker and Gordon are both really good players. They're not just guys.

You are down playing the actual talent of players on the team because you want to come to your conclusion first and then add the supposed evidence afterwards, instead of looking at the evidence and allowing the evidence to lead you to a conclusion.

They're ok players who fit the defense but aren't all pro level difference makers (and id say neither is even a top 3 defender on this team...both are constantly banged up and while i like both , i wouldn't call them A+ (or even B+) picks.......

 

[PrideisBears]

Yes the actual good players on this team are Jaylon Johnson, dj moore, Cole kmet, Montez sweat.

I’d probably put Billings in there as well or maybe a half step down.

Who are the next good players on the team? Maybe byard? I mean I like Kyler Gordon when he’s healthy?

Poles has not drafted a single true impact player / difference maker. They are pace hold overs or by way of trade.

His list of HUGE misses easily out weighs the hits.

@remydat

 

[PrideisBears]

I like a lot of the things he's done, and I definitely think he's better than Pace. But I think his weaknesses are coming through more distinctly lately, and they may end up costing him his job.

Every Bears fan and prognosticator on the planet could see the issue coming of drafting a new first round quarterback while keeping a coach who probably wasn't going to work out. Poles chose the low-percentage play.

Every Bears fan and prognosticator could tell you what happens when you put a young quarterback behind a really shitty o-line. (paging Jay Cutler, Mitch Trubisky and Justin Fields). Poles chose the low-percentage play.


The Bears organization are now in a very tough position, personnel-wise, and Poles has himself to blame. For the sake of argument, let's say Warren lets Poles hire a new head coach. Now Poles is in a position where he's first on the chopping block if there aren't immediate and significant improvements. Then they fire Poles, keep the head coach for a year or whatever, and we repeat this whole process again.

By the way, the wildcard in all of this remains Kevin Warren. We really don't know what he thinks or how much power he truly has. We know the dude has a sizeable ego. Is it enough to show Poles the door after this season if things continue to spiral? Warren may be eager to show his own chops & value, and knows the longer Poles sticks around, the more Poles gets the credit and not himself. If he hires his own GM, though, Warren gets the glory if he can turn things around. Something to keep an eye on.

I forgot about Warren

 

[SugarWalls]

A second rounder for a player that is basically out of the league 1 year later. That is the most damning thing about poles and his inability to assess talent.

They need to hire a new GM and HC this off season but we all know the death spiral is already in place. The HC better be fired but the gm remains, only to have another failed.

 

[greg23]

Poles has been as bad evaluating WR as he has with the OL

His "hits"

Dj Moore (and that's more carolina declining to give him brown or burns and settling on dumping Moore vs poles nailing it)

Odunze (tossing him a bone for now)

His "misses"

Pick #32 traded for claypool
3rd round pick for VJJ
4th rounder traded for allen
4th round pick for Scott (guy can't get ahead of DeAndre carter isnt a good sign for his future)
7th rounder trade for Harry
Byron Pringle in FA
Letting Mooney walk
Not wr but he's added 2 "pass catching" TE who've been awful as well in tonyan and everett

A pretty piss poor waste of resources with little to show for it

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

They're ok players who fit the defense but aren't all pro level difference makers (and id say neither is even a top 3 defender on this team...both are constantly banged up and while i like both , i wouldn't call them A+ (or even B+) picks.......

I think Gordon DOES have pro bowls in his future. How many all pros do you think even the good teams have? Keep in mind, when we are talking all pro, we are talking a much higher bar than even pro bowler - only 11 on offense and 11 on defense for the ENTIRE LEAGUE.

Most good teams might have one. Some very lucky teams have 2. The rest of the players are pro bowl caliber players and players who do their jobs and play at a high level.

This team is currently a top 5 defense in points scored against. You are downplaying how good the players are.

Its the coaching that's the issue.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

By the way, the wildcard in all of this remains Kevin Warren. We really don't know what he thinks or how much power he truly has. We know the dude has a sizeable ego. Is it enough to show Poles the door after this season if things continue to spiral? Warren may be eager to show his own chops & value, and knows the longer Poles sticks around, the more Poles gets the credit and not himself. If he hires his own GM, though, Warren gets the glory if he can turn things around. Something to keep an eye on.

It's seriously starting to feel like he's here to build the stadium and stay out of the way.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Poles has been as bad evaluating WR as he has with the OL

His "hits"

Dj Moore (and that's more carolina declining to give him brown or burns and settling on dumping Moore vs poles nailing it)

Odunze (tossing him a bone for now)

His "misses"

Pick #32 traded for claypool
3rd round pick for VJJ
4th rounder traded for allen
4th round pick for Scott (guy can't get ahead of DeAndre carter isnt a good sign for his future)
7th rounder trade for Harry
Byron Pringle in FA
Letting Mooney walk
Not wr but he's added 2 "pass catching" TE who've been awful as well in tonyan and everett

A pretty piss poor waste of resources with little to show for it

Byron Pringle? Really?

Year one of the rebuild he was just signing bodies. Pringle wasn't signed to some massive contract. You're being ridiculous.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

It's seriously starting to feel like he's here to build the stadium and stay out of the way.

There was some front office restructuring when he got here.

I don't think it is JUST to build a stadium.


Still am hearing the McCaskey kids want to sell, even if the elders don't. The rumors I am hearing about Warren is that he is there not just for the stadium, but also to facilitate the sale of the team once the stadium deal is complete and they've broken ground. And as part of that, he is also going to be involved in trying to maximize the value of the team - which is why I think Warren may be the key to Flus being fired this upcoming offseason.

 

[DrGonzo]

He's made some shrewd moves, taken a few gambles that didn't pay off, and made some blunders that were instantly obvious to everyone. The team is about 75% rebuilt and he will have more chances to complete the project.

But more than anything he will always be judged on:

1) the career of Jayden Daniels vs Caleb Williams

2) whether he replaces Flus next year, and if so, whether it is with a winner vs another safe uninspiring choice, or flash in the pan