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[jsu34]

This game highlighted the importance of line on both sides of the ball.

The chiefs had 2 backup tackles in plus a 3rd at guard, right in front of Suh.

Barret, JPP, Suh, and everyone else had a field day.

Bowles called a masterful game by taking away Hill and any other chunk play.

Bottom line: the bears had better fix the oline problems before giving away the store for any player, but especially if it happens to be Wentz. Otherwise just keep Mitch and except their incompetence.

 

[Montucky]

Defense continues to win championships.

 

[sevvy]

If mahomes were healthy nothing would have happened tonight. His oline looks like shit. You can't have a good offense with a shit oline.....

If you want to see how Mahomes would look playing for the Bears, re-watch Super Bowl LV.

I mean, it wouldn't always be that bad.

Don't know if you're joking but R.Pace absolutely agrees and made fixing the o-line a point in his end of season presser. He knows the o-line needs to be fixed, he tried to fix it last offseason just without having the money to put in it with already having Massie and Leno under contract so he signed G.Ifedi who ended the season playing well at RT and the line ended the season playing well. We'll have at least one new tackle that will either be a higher draft pick or a good vet in free agency and maybe two. The inside of our o-line is set.

We'll see. It wasn't enough. If QB is going to be so important for him to pursue, OL needs to be just as important.

 

[remydat]

Tonight’s Super Bowl shows that no matter how good your quarterback is you can’t win with backup quality talent blocking. The Chief’s offense tonight, sadly reminded me of the Bears.

4M was never pressured that much. Here are his pressures by game.

Lions - 11
Giants - 7
Falcons - 6
Packers - 14
Det - 12
Texans - 8
Min - 9
Jax - 10
GB - 6
Saints - 11

That is 94 pressures in 9.5 games so about 10 a game. Comparing that to Mahomes getting pressured 29 times in a single game is laughable. Foles was pressured 118 times in 8.5 games or 13.88 times.

In the regular season Mahomes was pressured 222 times in 15 games or 14.8 times a game ie more than 4M or Foles. So when he faced similar pressure to 4M and Foles, Mahomes put up MVP caliber numbers.

Let's stop with the fiction that what we saw last night was similar to the Bears. It wasn't. Not even close. That was an all time worst OL performance. If 4M or Foles faced that level of pressure they would have been killed or quit on the field.

 

[remydat]

Defense continues to win championships.

Yeah Tampa Bay D scored 31 points and Tom Brady is an all time GOAT defender.

 

[Chicago Staleys]

 

[remydat]

This game highlighted the importance of line on both sides of the ball.

The chiefs had 2 backup tackles in plus a 3rd at guard, right in front of Suh.

Barret, JPP, Suh, and everyone else had a field day.

Bowles called a masterful game by taking away Hill and any other chunk play.

Bottom line: the bears had better fix the oline problems before giving away the store for any player, but especially if it happens to be Wentz. Otherwise just keep Mitch and except their incompetence.

Bowles blitzed 7 times. It is not that hard to call a good game when your are getting 29 pressures with 4 guys allowing 7 guys to guard 4 guys while Mahomes is running for his life.

This was a masterful defensive performance by the front 4. Bowles literally could have called the same play the whole game and the result would have been the same. Less a masterful game plan and more a amateurish OL. I would be interested to know how many different coverages he actually called as seems like it was mainly 2 deep zone or double Kelce and Hill and play man on the other 2 guys with 1 defender available to take the RB if he released after chipping.

 

[mecha]

Yeah Tampa Bay D scored 31 points and Tom Brady is an all time GOAT defender.

I think they meant the defense stopped Mahomes to give Brady the opportunities to score. let's be real, Buccaneers just had an all around comprehensive plan to dominate. the Chiefs weren't 100% and they capitalized on it to win it all.

 

[truthbedamned]

Mustipher Center
Whitehair LG
Daniels RG
Ifidi RT
Tucker RG (1st rd)

That should be an above average line.

 

[remydat]

I think they meant the defense stopped Mahomes to give Brady the opportunities to score. let's be real, Buccaneers just had an all around comprehensive plan to dominate. the Chiefs weren't 100% and they capitalized on it to win it all.

Bold is the point. It was a comprehensive effort not just the defense.

 

[mecha]

if the defense didn't get stops and Mahomes kept putting up points, does Brady win in a shootout with Mahomes? I don't really think so. Chiefs OL got murdered.

 

[remydat]

if the defense didn't get stops and Mahomes kept putting up points, does Brady win in a shootout with Mahomes? I don't really think so. Chiefs OL got murdered.

If Brady's O wasn't putting up points, does KC play looser and win? This sort of speculation goes both ways. The Bucs O murdered the Chiefs D as well.

Hell last year we saw Mahomes O beat the No 1 D. A few years ago offense won championships when Foles outgunned Brady. I get what you are saying. I am just saying that Brady O was pretty effective as well.

 

[Montucky]

I do believe its telling that the Chiefs took the savings from having Mahomes on his rookie deal and used them on Tyrann Mathieu, Chris Jones and Frank Clark. Then they won the Super Bowl.

The 2019 Chiefs had a decent defense. Not a great defense, but a defense that could get them a stop when needed. They probably don't come back from a twenty-four point deficit against Houston or rattle off that fourth quarter against San Francisco if they dont make those investments on defense.

 

[remydat]

I do believe its telling that the Chiefs took the savings from having Mahomes on his rookie deal and used them on Tyrann Mathieu, Chris Jones and Frank Clark. Then they won the Super Bowl.

The 2019 Chiefs had a decent defense. Not a great defense, but a defense that could get them a stop when needed. They probably don't come back from a twenty-four point deficit against Houston or rattle off that fourth quarter against San Francisco if they dont make those investments on defense.

Do you think it is some great revelation that not being absolute garbage on one side of the ball is helpful. A primarily offensive team is likely to look for help on D. Just like a primarily defensive team like say the Niners is going to blow 30 million on JG to help out.

 

[Montucky]

Do you think it is some great revelation that not being absolute garbage on one side of the ball is helpful. A primarily offensive team is likely to look for help on D. Just like a primarily defensive team like say the Niners is going to blow 30 million on JG to help out.

I think the revelation was that big defensive plays have huge impacts on a game. Often way more so than big offensive plays.

 

[Midwaymonster75]

Tonight’s Super Bowl shows that no matter how good your quarterback is you can’t win with backup quality talent blocking. The Chief’s offense tonight, sadly reminded me of the Bears.

Crap. The secondary locked up his weapons. Yes it was a factor but not the only.

 

[Bears27]

Great thread!

In 6 seasons of drafting from Pace, he's selected 7 OL.
Only 3 have been taking in the 1st 3 rounds ( Whitehair, Daniels, Grasu ).

Absolutely pathetic. And really an oversight into some fundamental understanding of what it takes to win football games.

The great teams understand it all starts in the trenches. And that doesn't just mean selecting OL, but developing them too –understanding assignments & schemes, putting the time in the gym, hitting the sled, etc. "Offensive genius" can't help you when the other team is physically imposing their will. Until the top of the Bear's brass understand this, whomever they rotate in that QB spot is bound to meet familiar results.

 

[jsu34]

Bowles blitzed 7 times. It is not that hard to call a good game when your are getting 29 pressures with 4 guys allowing 7 guys to guard 4 guys while Mahomes is running for his life.

This was a masterful defensive performance by the front 4. Bowles literally could have called the same play the whole game and the result would have been the same. Less a masterful game plan and more a amateurish OL. I would be interested to know how many different coverages he actually called as seems like it was mainly 2 deep zone or double Kelce and Hill and play man on the other 2 guys with 1 defender available to take the RB if he released after chipping.

I would contend that Bowles had a lot to do with it because he chose mixes of 2 deep zones and 2 deep man with some combo designed to take Hill away. If you recall week 12 he tried man and Hill had 3 TDs and 269 yds by halftime against them.

Plus he faced Brees (old though), Rodgers, and Mahommes. I think he deserves as much credit as the chiefs deserve blame. They didn't run enough against the 2 deep to get them out of it.

 

[remydat]

I think the revelation was that big defensive plays have huge impacts on a game. Often way more so than big offensive plays.

Yeah Mahomes big offensive plays last year in the SB had no impact on the game. SMH!

 

[remydat]

I would contend that Bowles had a lot to do with it because he chose mixes of 2 deep zones and 2 deep man with some combo designed to take Hill away. If you recall week 12 he tried man and Hill had 3 TDs and 269 yds by halftime against them.

Plus he faced Brees (old though), Rodgers, and Mahommes. I think he deserves as much credit as the chiefs deserve blame. They didn't run enough against the 2 deep to get them out of it.

Of course he deserves credit overall but just talking about the SB game not the others.

Week 12 he had a similar gameplan as he only blitzed 9 times. The difference was the OL blocked better so Mahomes had more time to do damage. That and KC receivers actually held on to the ball.

We know that is a Mahomes specific thing because in 2 games against Rodgers he blitzed 20 and 21 times and against Brees he blitzed 15, 17 and 18 times. So the plan for Mahomes was always to rush mainly 4 and have 7 in coverage. They just executed it better because the Chiefs OL was horrible.

Most teams try to avoid blitzing Mahomes and hope they can pressure him with 4 so that 7 guys can drop in coverage. One of the reasons Chiefs RBs face a lot of 6 man fronts (ie not even 7). It was a poor game plan to run so little with those safetied playing deep.