Young to Cubs a Possibility

[Skills]

Dempster

If that's what you call an ace. I personally think you guys are overrating Mike by a huge margin. LOL at 90 win team because of him. Hitting wins games, pitching wins divisions. If you give up a pitcher for a hitter it won't pan out, but then again you guys aren't playing for much this season anyway...

 

[Jntg4]

If that's what you call an ace. I personally think you guys are overrating Mike by a huge margin. LOL at 90 win team because of him. Hitting wins games, pitching wins divisions. If you give up a pitcher for a hitter it won't pan out, but then again you guys aren't playing for much this season anyway...

Silva is going to end up in the pen most likely if he stays, and Young replaces DeWitt. He is not better than Dempster, Zambrano, Garza, Wells, or Cashner.

We aren't playing for much? I'm pretty sure they are trying to win a division, despite the odds.

 

[Skills]

Silva is going to end up in the pen most likely if he stays, and Young replaces DeWitt. He is not better than Dempster, Zambrano, Garza, Wells, or Cashner.

We aren't playing for much? I'm pretty sure they are trying to win a division, despite the odds.

Carlos Silva had a 4.22 ERA last season, which was better than Wells & Cashner.

Well...if you guys were trying to win a division why would you trade away Ted & Derrek? Meh, I digress. Seems a lot like that De Rosa logic, which I still don't get.

I'm just saying, this trade doesn't make much sense looking from the outside in. If you guys needed another bat you should've kept Derrek imo.

/argument

 

[Jntg4]

Carlos Silva had a 4.22 ERA last season, which was better than Wells & Cashner.

Well...if you guys were trying to win a division why would you trade away Ted & Derrek? Meh, I digress. Seems a lot like that De Rosa logic, which I still don't get.

I'm just saying, this trade doesn't make much sense looking from the outside in. If you guys needed another bat you should've kept Derrek imo.

/argument

They traded them during the season because their contracts were over at the end of the season...

And no, that doesn't make him better.

 

[waldo7239117]

What were the tweets? I don't know their twitter usernames.

This is what Hendry said but it's still nice to see other media reports talking about him. Buster Olney:

Jim Hendry on Carlos Zambrano: 'He's got his head on good, he's in good shape.' Three good outings this spring, velocity 92-94. Strong stuff

By Jon Heyman:

Zambrano doing pregame salsa in #cubs clubhouse. Not bad. In shape, 2.

 

[Captain Obvious]

If that's what you call an ace. I personally think you guys are overrating Mike by a huge margin. LOL at 90 win team because of him. Hitting wins games, pitching wins divisions. If you give up a pitcher for a hitter it won't pan out, but then again you guys aren't playing for much this season anyway...

That's terrible logic. If we give up Wells for Pujols it won't pan out? That's stupid. We have a lot of pitching depth. Silva is our 5th starter, with Cashner not that far behind him. The upgrade at 2B is much larger than what we lose at SP.

Silva is going to end up in the pen most likely if he stays, and Young replaces DeWitt. He is not better than Dempster, Zambrano, Garza, Wells, or Cashner.

We aren't playing for much? I'm pretty sure they are trying to win a division, despite the odds.

You flat out do not know that he isnt better than Cashner.

Carlos Silva had a 4.22 ERA last season, which was better than Wells & Cashner.

Well...if you guys were trying to win a division why would you trade away Ted & Derrek? Meh, I digress. Seems a lot like that De Rosa logic, which I still don't get.

I'm just saying, this trade doesn't make much sense looking from the outside in. If you guys needed another bat you should've kept Derrek imo.

/argument

Right, because ERA is suuuuucch a great stat.

We traded Ted and Derrek because they are old and we were out of the race. Might as well get some value for them.

DeRosa logic? You actually think that was a bad trade, don't you?

How does this trade not make sense from a baseball standpoint? I would agree from a business standpoint it doesn't, but from a baseball stand point it most certainly does.

I ask you this, though... why hold on to Derrek Lee? We upgraded at 1B with Pena & got value for Lee. You really aren't too bright, are you?

 

[Skills]

That's terrible logic. If we give up Wells for Pujols it won't pan out? That's stupid. We have a lot of pitching depth. Silva is our 5th starter, with Cashner not that far behind him. The upgrade at 2B is much larger than what we lose at SP.

Comparing Michael Young to Albert Pujols? And I'm the one with terrible logic lol

Right, because ERA is suuuuucch a great stat.

We traded Ted and Derrek because they are old and we were out of the race. Might as well get some value for them.

DeRosa logic? You actually think that was a bad trade, don't you?

How does this trade not make sense from a baseball standpoint? I would agree from a business standpoint it doesn't, but from a baseball stand point it most certainly does.

I ask you this, though... why hold on to Derrek Lee? We upgraded at 1B with Pena & got value for Lee. You really aren't too bright, are you?

Yes, it is. What other stat do you want to use? Innings pitched? Good luck with that.

Ted was your best pitcher by far. You didn't trade him because he's old, you traded him because you wanted more cap space for the rebuild. Same thing goes for Derrek for the most part. That's clear as day to see.

De Rosa logic? Um, yeah that was a bad trade. There's not much you could say to convince me otherwise.

Judging from the way the north side runs things it's obvious you'd be a great GM for them (sarcasm). Reasons already stated why it doesn't look good. Re-read.

And you talk about Pena as if that was the plan all along. Be legit, you know damn well the Cubs were given a gift with that one.

Ah, you must be one of those e-losers thinking that insulting someone's intelligence makes you badass. You're wasting your time kiddo, I couldn't care less haha.

 

[Jntg4]

Comparing Michael Young to Albert Pujols? And I'm the one with terrible logic lol


Yes, it is. What other stat do you want to use? Innings pitched? Good luck with that.

Ted was your best pitcher by far. You didn't trade him because he's old, you traded him because you wanted more cap space for the rebuild. Same thing goes for Derrek for the most part. That's clear as day to see.

De Rosa logic? Um, yeah that was a bad trade. There's not much you could say to convince me otherwise.

Judging from the way the north side runs things it's obvious you'd be a great GM for them (sarcasm). Reasons already stated why it doesn't look good. Re-read.

And you talk about Pena as if that was the plan all along. Be legit, you know damn well the Cubs were given a gift with that one.

Ah, you must be one of those e-losers thinking that insulting someone's intelligence makes you badass. You're wasting your time kiddo, I couldn't care less haha.

They traded Lilly and Lee in-season because last year was the last year of their contracts, it has nothing to do with this year.

 

[Skills]

They traded Lilly and Lee in-season because last year was the last year of their contracts, it has nothing to do with this year.

*Facepalms*

Last year of their contracts, traded away to avoid resigning them. Correct?

Um, yeah...that's kinda what I just said. You didn't want to resign them so you'd have more money for this season. That has everything to do with this season.

 

[Jntg4]

*Facepalms*

Last year of their contracts, traded away to avoid resigning them. Correct?

Um, yeah...that's kinda what I just said. You didn't want to resign them so you'd have more money for this season. That has everything to do with this season.

They got some young talent for them... and they replace Lilly with Garza and Lee with Pena.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Comparing Michael Young to Albert Pujols? And I'm the one with terrible logic lol


Yes, it is. What other stat do you want to use? Innings pitched? Good luck with that.

Ted was your best pitcher by far. You didn't trade him because he's old, you traded him because you wanted more cap space for the rebuild. Same thing goes for Derrek for the most part. That's clear as day to see.

De Rosa logic? Um, yeah that was a bad trade. There's not much you could say to convince me otherwise.

Judging from the way the north side runs things it's obvious you'd be a great GM for them (sarcasm). Reasons already stated why it doesn't look good. Re-read.

And you talk about Pena as if that was the plan all along. Be legit, you know damn well the Cubs were given a gift with that one.

Ah, you must be one of those e-losers thinking that insulting someone's intelligence makes you badass. You're wasting your time kiddo, I couldn't care less haha.

You said that trading a pitcher for a hitter never works. That is terrible logic. You have absolutely nothing to back that up with. You are just making shit up.

How is ERA a great stat? It doesn't measure how the pitcher does. It says that solo homerun is the same as 3 bloop hits that drive in a run. Which is the better player, the pitcher that strikes out the side or the pitcher that relies on his rangy defense to haul in three deep fly balls? ERA is difficult to compare across teams due to the variation of team defense; difficult to compare across leagues due to competition imbalance and the DH; and difficult to compare across years because of different run-scoring environments.

Ted was in no way shape or form our best pitcher. No matter how you look at it, he wasn't our best pitcher... but I still want to know why you think that.

DeRosa, since leaving the Cubs has been worth 1.4 WAR, or half of his worst season with the Cubs. He has been hurt and flat out not good. We got 3 pitchers for him, one of which was our top prospect, who we traded for Matt Garza. So no, it was actually a pretty damn good trade, especially since DeRosa hasn't done shit since he left the Cubs.

How were we given a gift with Pena? The plan was to get a 1B, we got one. Not that hard to see.

Yeah, I'm an e-loser. We all are on here. We're all 34 years old, living in our parents basements, with no jobs, blah, blah, blah.

 

[DewsSox79]

This would be great. I truly think this would make them a 90 win team. Silva would have to be part of deal to make money work. I hope this really does happen

yeah, ok.

 

[DewsSox79]

That's terrible logic. If we give up Wells for Pujols it won't pan out? That's stupid. We have a lot of pitching depth. Silva is our 5th starter, with Cashner not that far behind him. The upgrade at 2B is much larger than what we lose at SP.


You flat out do not know that he isnt better than Cashner.



Right, because ERA is suuuuucch a great stat.

We traded Ted and Derrek because they are old and we were out of the race. Might as well get some value for them.

DeRosa logic? You actually think that was a bad trade, don't you?

How does this trade not make sense from a baseball standpoint? I would agree from a business standpoint it doesn't, but from a baseball stand point it most certainly does.

I ask you this, though... why hold on to Derrek Lee? We upgraded at 1B with Pena & got value for Lee. You really aren't too bright, are you?

right, so use FIP for everything

pitching depth? cmon now

 

[Jntg4]

Well... this was interesting while it lasted:

Michael young perfect for #cubs: 2b, 3-hole hitter, leader. But cubs person says "not happening"

Via Heyman

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Ya michael young is a "player" but jesus christ....

 

[poodski]

right, so use FIP for everything

pitching depth? cmon now

Cubs do have a lot of sp depth.

 

[DewsSox79]

Cubs do have a lot of sp depth.

SP as a position that is major league ready, yes. quality, like the cubs are just spilling over and cannot keep such quality is insane.

silva sucks.
cashner is unproven

z,garz,demp,wells is not something i would consider an upper tier rotation

 

[Jntg4]

SP as a position that is major league ready, yes. quality, like the cubs are just spilling over and cannot keep such quality is insane.

silva sucks.
cashner is unproven

z,garz,demp,wells is not something i would consider an upper tier rotation

Right except for the end. They had more quality starts than any other team in the league last year, it hasn't gotten that much worse to be a lower tier rotation.

Unless you meant it isn't Top 5 or something, I assumed you meant upper 50%.

 

[Derkach77]

Young would be awesome at the right price...I wouldn't give alot for him.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Would be a nice addition.. at this point we should just take some of the contract..