Your thoughts on Heyward so far?

[Parade_Rain]

Im not angry man I just don't get why this so called Sox fan seems so obsessed with the Cubs. We don't care about the Sox because they are not at threat to the Cubs unless a riot breaks out and Wrigley Field burns down during the cross town classic next month. I don't even know one player on the Sox other than Chris Sale who is having a good year. Other than that, I couldn't speak intelligently about any of their players. Why? Because the Cubs are all I care about and the Sox don't pose any threat to the Cubs inevitable championship year...

Because he is nothing but a troll. He should be banned from the Cub$ forum.

 

[Omeletpants]

Never going to happen. Why would Arrieta want to play for the Cardinals when the Cubs are obviously the best team in baseball? Its not all about the money. Ask Dexter Fowler...

Because Arrietta has already said that he is not giving the Cubs any hometown discount so yes, it is all about money. Please try to keep up with the news and players public comments

 

[Omeletpants]

Never going to happen. Why would Arrieta want to play for the Cardinals when the Cubs are obviously the best team in baseball? Its not all about the money. Ask Dexter Fowler...

Here you go Mr. Baseball

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...hometown-discount-contract-free-agency-051116

 

[beckdawg]

If Arrieta walks I'd imagine it's to he dodgers.

 

[DanTown]

If Arrieta walks I'd imagine it's to he dodgers.

Yankees sign him once they clear a ton of old money (Sabathia, A-Rod, Beltran, Teixeira all come off the next two years; McCann, Headley, Gardener are all gone after 2018).

 

[cubsmann]

Here you go Mr. Baseball

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/...hometown-discount-contract-free-agency-051116

Whatever you prick, saying you're not going to give a team a hometeam discount doesn't mean you're not going to resign with them. His agent is Scott Boras who gets mega dollars for all his clients. I think the Cubs will end up giving him a blank check. Its not like they can't afford it. They pull in more money than anyone in baseball except for maybe the Yankees and why would anyone want to play for the Yankees when the clearly suck ass right now and will for a long time unless they unload about half their team...

 

[CSF77]

Whatever you prick, saying you're not going to give a team a hometeam discount doesn't mean you're not going to resign with them. His agent is Scott Boras who gets mega dollars for all his clients. I think the Cubs will end up giving him a blank check. Its not like they can't afford it. They pull in more money than anyone in baseball except for maybe the Yankees and why would anyone want to play for the Yankees when the clearly suck ass right now and will for a long time unless they unload about half their team...

He is going to get 200 mil. So that is pretty much where it stands. It is up to the Ricketts to pony up or not. It would be stupid to let him walk IMO. He hits F/A his price tag may even go higher. The best option for the Cubs is to extend him in the off season.

Think about it: $200 mil; Will be 31 at the start of next year. Arb most likely goes up to 18 mil anyways. Idealistically you want him under control until 36. So that is basically a 5 year offer. Even at 30 mil per that falls at 150 mil which is never going to get that deal done.

So what to do? Front load it. Before guys like Bryant and Russell get into higher pay days.

Easy way is give a chunk of the deal into a signing bonus. If you give him 50 mil to sign and 20 mil year 1. 130 mil left on the deal. year 2 you would want 30 mil sent out so 100 mil left. At that point he would be at 33 YO and still in his prime. So another 30 mil is realistic. Knocks it down to 70 mil at 34. At this point you would expect his production to start dropping. Never know with his health track record. It maybe worth the gamble to give him another 30 mil to drop it down to 40 mil. At that point they could just have 2 years at 20 mil per do deal with. He would be 35-36 and most likely falling back into #3 status but that is a realistic price tag for it.

 

[DanTown]

The Cubs and Arrieta has nothing to do with afford and everything to do with not giving 32 year old pitchers six + year deals. I mean I love Jake but I just don't see how that's smart for the Cubs to do. Especially if say the Heyward signing looks way less likely he opts out and you're paying him 20M a year+.

To be honest, I think we're still close to Jake's dominant run for people to truly evaluate what kind of pitcher Arrieta is. I also want to see how much his "limit hard contact" ability holds up as he continues to face players and teams for the 8th or 9th (or more) time.

I mean, how many large deals do you want to give out to players? 2022 is years and years away but when you give Jake six years in 2018, it obviously will matter.

Your 2022 FA

Rizzo
Bryant
Schwarber
Russell
Baez

 

[Omeletpants]

Whatever you prick, saying you're not going to give a team a hometeam discount doesn't mean you're not going to resign with them.

Dicklicker, the player says something publically then you tell us to ignore what he says. Stop being a shit for brains

 

[chibears55]

Arrieta probably resigns with Cubs for a reasonable deal after he tests FA market and no team wants to give a 34/5 YO a high years big money deal...

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[Boobaby1]

Arrieta probably resigns with Cubs for a reasonable deal after he tests FA market and no team wants to give a 34/5 YO a high years big money deal...

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If the Cubs are going to extend him, they will certainly not take a chance and let him hit free agency. If they don't come to an agreement in the off-season, they will at least look at trading him. I will bet you can get a pretty handsome return for a pitcher like that, even if it is for one year.

Cy Young award winners, and especially one's that could win it in back-to-back years are not a dime a dozen.

 

[beckdawg]

Yankees sign him once they clear a ton of old money (Sabathia, A-Rod, Beltran, Teixeira all come off the next two years; McCann, Headley, Gardener are all gone after 2018).

Perhaps. I'm just going off the way he's talked about Kershaw as they seem pretty friendly. Plus, that 1 2 punch would be devastating and it's not like they don't have money.

 

[chibears55]

If the Cubs are going to extend him, they will certainly not take a chance and let him hit free agency. If they don't come to an agreement in the off-season, they will at least look at trading him. I will bet you can get a pretty handsome return for a pitcher like that, even if it is for one year.

Cy Young award winners, and especially one's that could win it in back-to-back years are not a dime a dozen.

What im saying is Arrieta could choose to see what he can get via free agency instead of taking Cubs offer cause he feels he can get years and money he seeks..

Im saying it possible no team will offer mainly the years with the money because of his age and he will end up re signing with Cubs.


I tend to go back n forth with them trading him...

If their contending again next year, they need him to lead the rotation..
Plus
Im not too sure they get a huge return given its just for 1 year and he looking for that multi years big money deal..
Not too many teams are going to be making big offers knowing their probably going to lose him after the year.


i think they hold on to him at least til deadline and see where the team is at... if contending, they hold him and tender him at years end..

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[brett05]

Im saying it possible no team will offer mainly the years with the money because of his age and he will end up re signing with Cubs.

Possible? yes. Likely? I am thinking less than 1%. Evidence? Zack Grienke.

 

[beckdawg]

Possible? yes. Likely? I am thinking less than 1%. Evidence? Zack Grienke.

To quote the movie Snatch in reference to baseball teams.... "You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

 

[brett05]

To quote the movie Snatch in reference to baseball teams.... "You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."

Love that.

TBH, Jake does have a younger arm than many at the same age. I think that helps mitigate some risk

 

[cubsmann]

If the Cubs are going to extend him, they will certainly not take a chance and let him hit free agency. If they don't come to an agreement in the off-season, they will at least look at trading him. I will bet you can get a pretty handsome return for a pitcher like that, even if it is for one year.

Cy Young award winners, and especially one's that could win it in back-to-back years are not a dime a dozen.

This is what I think is going to happen. Ultimately the Cubs have some of the deepest pockets in MLB. They will not Arrieta go I can almost guarantee it. Who cares if he wants $200M. That's the price for a player of the caliber of Arrieta. The Cubs know it and won't let him become a FA. They have him locked up through 2017 which is next season. This winter a deal will get done for three reasons. 1. The Cubs have the money and there's no salary cap. 2. Arrieta wants to stay with the Cubs because his family lives in Chicago and he is a Cubs. 3. The Cubs will be coming off a World Series win and will want another couple of them and after Jake wins another Cy Young this year he will get whatever he or Scott Boras wants.

I am not at all worried about Jake Arrieta getting a 6 year deal at $30M per year because its not my money. I am a season ticket holder and the price of tickets has gone up every year I've had the seats (almost 20 years) but I don't care because I love going to Wrigley and don't mind paying a premium for a premium team on the field.

 

[brett05]

This is what I think is going to happen. Ultimately the Cubs have some of the deepest pockets in MLB. They will not Arrieta go I can almost guarantee it. Who cares if he wants $200M. That's the price for a player of the caliber of Arrieta. The Cubs know it and won't let him become a FA. They have him locked up through 2017 which is next season. This winter a deal will get done for three reasons. 1. The Cubs have the money and there's no salary cap. 2. Arrieta wants to stay with the Cubs because his family lives in Chicago and he is a Cubs. 3. The Cubs will be coming off a World Series win and will want another couple of them and after Jake wins another Cy Young this year he will get whatever he or Scott Boras wants.

I am not at all worried about Jake Arrieta getting a 6 year deal at $30M per year because its not my money. I am a season ticket holder and the price of tickets has gone up every year I've had the seats (almost 20 years) but I don't care because I love going to Wrigley and don't mind paying a premium for a premium team on the field.

1. The Cubs always have the money yet don't always spend like the cash cow that they are.
2. Jake wants to stay if paid fairly. Family will live where Jake works more than likely.
3. No guarantee of winning the Series
4. You pay the premium whether the team is good, trying, or out right stinks. Been doing that for almost 20 years.

 

[Omeletpants]

2. Arrieta wants to stay with the Cubs because his family lives in Chicago and he is a Cubs. 3. The Cubs will be coming off a World Series win and will want another couple of them and after Jake wins another Cy Young this year he will get whatever he or Scott Boras wants.

-Of course Ariettas family lives in Chicago because he plays here. When he played in Baltimore his family lived in Baltimore. Duh

-Airetta is not winning the Cy Young with Kershaw around. Will never give him back to back with Kershaws stats

 

[DanTown]

Perhaps. I'm just going off the way he's talked about Kershaw as they seem pretty friendly. Plus, that 1 2 punch would be devastating and it's not like they don't have money.

It takes a certain kind of GM to give a 32 year old pitcher a six year deal and Andrew Friedman and the Dodger group doesn't seem like they're that kind of team. They wouldn't go six on Grienke, not sure why they'd go six on Arrieta.