⚽️⚽️⚽️OFFICAIL⚽️⚽️⚽️ 2022 FIFA World Cup of FOOTBALL Thread: ARGENTINA vs FRANCE (FINALS) - 12/18 @ 9:00AM CT [FTO]

[didshereallysaythat]

Influenza mortality rate by age group U.S. 2022-2023 | Statista

The flu death rate in the United States increases with age. During the 2022-2023 season, the flu death rate among older adults was 26.6 per 100,000 population.

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Here is this stat. Don't know if he had the flu or some other respiratory virus. They ruled out covid already. Regardless though, it is extremely unlikely for someone in this age group to die from the symptoms he showed. Could he have had some undetected medical condition or heart disease? Possibly but that was not suggested in anything we have read. And the 1.6 per 100,000 probably is made up of people that have these conditions to begin with.

So the unlikeliness of someone his age dying from those symptoms and his recent actions in Qatar make me suspect what I said. Yet that makes me prejudice against Muslims somehow. Whatever.

 

[remydat]

See cameronkrazie86 response. I agree with that.

His response did not invoke general Muslim hatred hence why it is not prejudiced. He pointed to part specific circumstances of this case. I still disagree but prejudice is saying you are suspicisious because Muslims hate us generally.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

France doing the hockey 'clear' defense. Get possession on the defensive end and kick it as far as possible to the other side of the field. As a non-soccer expert, I've always wondered why teams in defending possession don't do the immediate clear more often just to reset things defensively.

 

[remydat]

Influenza mortality rate by age group U.S. 2022-2023 | Statista

The flu death rate in the United States increases with age. During the 2022-2023 season, the flu death rate among older adults was 26.6 per 100,000 population.

www.statista.com

Here is this stat. Don't know if he had the flu or some other respiratory virus. They ruled out covid already. Regardless though, it is extremely unlikely for someone in this age group to die from the symptoms he showed. Could he have had some undetected medical condition or heart disease? Possibly but that was not suggested in anything we have read. And the 1.6 per 100,000 probably is made up of people that have these conditions to begin with.

So the unlikeliness of someone his age dying from those symptoms and his recent actions in Qatar make me suspect what I said. Yet that makes me prejudice against Muslims somehow. Whatever.

Do 1.6 in 100k Western jounalists get killed by Qatar. Your claim was Qatar killing him is more likely.

And no again what makes you prejudice is basing your opinion in part on general claims about Muslims.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

omg, a penalty just outside the box in the 100th minute.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

OMG he almost made that

 

[SugabearMVP]

One of the best games this Cup. I felt the ref was fair for the most part.
Cant say the same for the Argentina game. But thats another topic.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

His response did not invoke general Muslim hatred hence why it is not prejudiced. He pointed to part specific circumstances of this case. I still disagree but prejudice is saying you are suspicisious because Muslims hate us generally.

I didn't say Muslims hate us generally. I live next door to devout Muslims and they are very nice people. What I did say is that there is anti-western sentiment in Muslim countries. There is also anti-Muslim sentiment in parts of the US. There is racism in the US and all over the world. If a black guy was killed by a cop, would it be wrong to have a feeling without evidence that it was tied to racism?

 

[remydat]

It's certainly possible it was a cardiac event or any another illness that caused his death. Where the suspicion comes from is that he was previously detained for 30 minutes over a rainbow shirt a couple weeks back. The day before he dies, he writes about how Qatari officials have shown zero remorse over any worker (foreign or otherwise) who died helping build the stadiums to host the World Cup. Then less than 24 hours later, he dies.

I hope he wasn't poisoned and that it was simply him dying of an unfortunate illness. It's just crazy timing given the critical nature of the story (Qatari officials not caring about workers dying) he wrote and him being dead inside 24 hours. Thus why I feel it's fair to have suspicions of how he died until US authorities have a chance to perform an autopsy and examine his body.

It was known before the tournament that support of LGBT was not going to be allowed so his being detained is not unusual. Any person entering the stadium in that shirt would have been stopped just like if you try and enter a stadium in America wearing something banned you will be denied and detained if you raise a fuss.

As for his article many Western jounalists have written about the migrant worker situation and they are all alive. That issue is no secret and has been discussed for years leading up to this World Cup. I doubt Qatar is that concerned about the criticism as they have pushed ahead regardless and so has FIFA.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Do 1.6 in 100k Western jounalists get killed by Qatar. Your claim was Qatar killing him is more likely.

And no again what makes you prejudice is basing your opinion in part of general claims about Muslims.

You are acting like I have the responsibility to prove my feelings with statistical analysis before I even comment on my feelings on a fucking message board. This isn't the court of law.

Again, I said what my feelings were. If you think they are based on prejudice then that is your opinion.

 

[Scobear]

 

[remydat]

I didn't say Muslims hate us generally. I live next door to devout Muslims and they are very nice people. What I did say is that there is anti-western sentiment in Muslim countries. There is also anti-Muslim sentiment in parts of the US. There is racism in the US and all over the world. If a black guy was killed by a cop, would it be wrong to have a feeling without evidence that it was tied to racism?

That would be prejudice. If a crime is committed and you say I suspect the black guy because black people committ more crimes then yes that is prejudiced.

Likewise saying I suspect Qatar because Muslims have anti-American sentiment is prejudiced. Not sure why you dont get that. When you prejudge people based on perceived negative traits of the group they belong too that is by definition prejudice.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

It was known before the tournament that support of LGBT was not going to be allowed so his being detained is not unusual. Any person entering the stadium in that shirt would have been stopped just like if you try and enter a stadium in America wearing something banned you will be denied and detained if you raise a fuss.

As for his article many Western jounalists have written about the migrant worker situation and they are all alive. That issue is no secret and has been discussed for years leading up to this World Cup. I doubt Qatar is that concerned about the criticism as they have pushed ahead regardless and so has FIFA.

I am not suggesting that the country ordered him to be killed even. I just think it could have been one bad extremist that took him out.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

It was known before the tournament that support of LGBT was not going to be allowed so his being detained is not unusual. Any person entering the stadium in that shirt would have been stopped just like if you try and enter a stadium in America wearing something banned you will be denied and detained if you raise a fuss.

As for his article many Western jounalists have written about the migrant worker situation and they are all alive. That issue is no secret and has been discussed for years leading up to this World Cup. I doubt Qatar is that concerned about the criticism as they have pushed ahead regardless and so has FIFA.

I fully agree with all of this too. The timing is the only thing that makes me suspicious and that's simply because of him writing a critical article about the Qatari government and then he's dead inside a day. It's far more likely a coincidental timing than a murder conspiracy but I acknowledge the remote possibility it could be foul play.

 

[remydat]

You are acting like I have the responsibility to prove my feelings with statistical analysis before I even comment on my feelings on a fucking message board. This isn't the court of law.

Again, I said what my feelings were. If you think they are based on prejudice then that is your opinion.

You dont but failure to do so can lead one to believe you are being prejudiced when you are prejudging a situation based on the group they belong to ie Muslims.

 

[remydat]

I fully agree with all of this too. The timing is the only thing that makes me suspicious and that's simply because of him writing a critical article about the Qatari government and then he's dead inside a day. It's far more likely a coincidental timing than a murder conspiracy but I acknowledge the remote possibility it could be foul play.

And that is fine and far more sensible than @didshereallysaythat claiming murder is more likely in part because Muslim countries hate Americans.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

That would be prejudice. If a crime is committed and you say I suspect the black guy because black people committ more crimes then yes that is prejudiced.

Likewise saying I suspect Qatar because Muslims have anti-American sentiment is prejudiced. Not sure why you dont get that. When you prejudge people based on perceived negative traits of the group they belong too that is by definition prejudice.

As a black guy if you hear about a black guy being shot by a cop and you have no other information, you don't have a feeling that the cop was in the wrong? Without any facts, it could be either the cop was in the right or the wrong depending on the situation. But based on recent events, it is natural to think the cop might be in the wrong. Or do you hold out any emotion until all the facts are presented?

 

[didshereallysaythat]

And that is fine and far more sensible than @didshereallysaythat claiming murder is more likely in part because Muslim countries hate Americans.

Do you think a larger percentage of the population in Qatar hate Americans than the percentage of the population that hate Americans in the United States? Yes or no.

 

[remydat]

As a black guy if you hear about a black guy being shot by a cop and you have no other information, you don't have a feeling that the cop was in the wrong? Without any facts, it could be either the cop was in the right or the wrong depending on the situation. But based on recent events, it is natural to think the cop might be in the wrong. Or do you hold out any emotion until all the facts are presented?

Prejudice is natural. Our brains are hardwired to process information by forming broad generalizations based on prior history.

So while there is a part of me that may think that, there is the other part of me that recognizes that is prejudice and attempts to regulate my natural inclination to draw such prejudiced conclusions.

 

[remydat]

Do you think a larger percentage of the population in Qatar hate Americans than the percentage of the population that hate Americans in the United States? Yes or no.

Don't know but let's say I do. That would be irrelevant with respect to whether Qatar is involved or not. It is a non sequitur fallacy. Just because that may be true it does not follow that it means they murdered Wahl.