1994 Bulls vs 2011 Bulls in 7 game series

[eternityw]

1994 Bulls - heat, end of the game
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[CODE_BLUE56]

1994 Bulls - heat, end of the game
‪chimiat.mpg‬‏ - YouTube

thats a nice play...and i did say i do think pippen is a great defensively clutch player but he's not the guy who will make the game winning basket or the score under pressure...he was not that kind of player


and regardless whether or not barkley was 2nd or robinson or whatever..i think we can all agree that pippen was NOT the MVP or the best player in the league in 93-94 and it wasnt really a close race with olajuwon(the closer race was robinson and olajuwon)...for me it goes Olajuwon,Robinson,Ewing,Pippen,then Barkley

thats jmo

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Robinson had a better supporting cast...mainly Rodman. No HOFers on Hakeem's team that year.

Yep. That's mainly why Hakeem is the easy choice for MVP in my book.

Robinson had somewhat better players as a supporting cast, while Hakeem had a better system in Houston. They were better coached and clicked more as a team in my opinion than San Antonio.

 

[Glide2keva]

This whole MVP thing is way off of the topic.

The topic is, who would win between the 94 Bulls and the 2011 Bulls. I'm still going with the 94 Bulls. Too many weapons.

The '11 team would have no answer for Kukoc and Pippen and Grant would thoroughly dominate Boozer inside. Rose would carve up their back court and the Myers/Bogans matchup wouldn't even register. The '11 bench is slightly better than the 94 bench, but not by much with Wennington and Kukoc coming off of it to provide mid-range and deep scoring. Their advantage would be on the defensive end.

Asik and Gibson would give them more athleticism while Watson and Korver would score.

I say 94 Bulls in 6.

 

[houheffna]

Yep. That's mainly why Hakeem is the easy choice for MVP in my book.

Robinson had somewhat better players as a supporting cast, while Hakeem had a better system in Houston. They were better coached and clicked more as a team in my opinion than San Antonio.

That and remember Rodman and Robinson didn't get along. So chemistry issues were there also. Things came together for Houston that year...and they were fearless. That is what I remember about them. Remember, in that Phoenix series, they came back down 0-2 (They were never down 3-1, they would win 3 straight frustrating Danny Ainge to the point that he threw the ball at Elie's face from damn near point blank range...). I think you are thinking about 1995 when Phoenix were up 3-1 against Houston.

 

[Glide2keva]

Anyone for getting back on topic?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Anyone for getting back on topic?

sorry..we just had to settle down the pippen fanboys

 

[scottiepippen1994]

This whole MVP thing is way off of the topic.

The topic is, who would win between the 94 Bulls and the 2011 Bulls. I'm still going with the 94 Bulls. Too many weapons.

The '11 team would have no answer for Kukoc and Pippen and Grant would thoroughly dominate Boozer inside. Rose would carve up their back court and the Myers/Bogans matchup wouldn't even register. The '11 bench is slightly better than the 94 bench, but not by much with Wennington and Kukoc coming off of it to provide mid-range and deep scoring. Their advantage would be on the defensive end.

Asik and Gibson would give them more athleticism while Watson and Korver would score.

I say 94 Bulls in 6.

Thank you for getting this thread back on track.....But, I respectfully disagree with a few of your points...I think that Pete Myer was better than Bogans..he could take it to the hole and shoot from anywhere, but he played his roll perfectly and was a very good defender...I also feel the 94 bench was deeper...We had scott william, tony kucoc, steve kerr, will perdue, bill wennington, luc longley, jo jo english, john paxson,corie blount....plus 4 of our bench players were very experianced with 3 championship rings of there own...Plus 94's starting line up trumps the 11 lineup in all positions except for Rose-Armstrong...But keep in mind that B.J Armstrong was one of the top shooter in the league in 94 and a better defender than Rose...Rose does win that matchup against armstrong,but I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would put Pippen on Rose and move armstrong to the 2guard position..Maybe even start Kucoc at small forward..With moving pippen to point guard, armstrong to 2guard and starting kucoc at smallforawrd, that would make the 94 starting lineup trump the 2011 lineup 5 -0....Even though I stated over and over againt that the 94 team wins the series 4-1, they could actually sweep the 2011 Bulls with the lineup moves........Just my personal oppinion and I stand on it......

 

[Kush77]

and regardless whether or not barkley was 2nd or robinson or whatever..i think we can all agree that pippen was NOT the MVP or the best player in the league in 93-94

I disagree. Scottie Pippen could have very easily been the MVP in the 93-94 season. A very strong case can be made for him

Olajuwon deserved it. Pippen was by no means robbed. But he could have won. I think he finished 3rd in the voting. I think Ewing was 2nd

Best player in the league is a different argument. That he was not. But we all know the MVP doesn't go to just the best player.

 

[Kush77]

Robinson and Barkley were easily more valuable to their respective teams than Pippen was to the Bulls.

And Kevin Willis was a monster back then. Shawn Kemp has a case to be made himself for the top 10 in value.

I disagree with Rami and Hou that Charles Barkley was more valuable in 1994.

The Suns were supposed to be the clear-cut favorite to win the title in 93-94.

The Suns were coming off the NBA Finals where they were a Pax 3-pointer away from pushing the Bulls to 7 games. MJ was retired so the Suns were the favorite bringing back pretty much the same team.

They ended up finishing 3rd in the West.

Pippen helped the Bulls finish 3rd in the East, desptie the fact that the greatest player of all-time retired. The Bulls were in position to take the No. 1 seed, but they pissed it away. That's where Pippen blew it.

But everyone saying Pippen didn't deserve it in 94 or had no chance of winning is b.s.

Pippen could have very easily won the 1994 MVP based on what he did.

Remember, this is regular season MVP. So 1.8 seconds doesn't factor in here - in case Fred is reading this thread.

 

[Kush77]

Anyone for getting back on topic?

Yes. I say the 2011 Bulls win in 7 games.

I was surprised to see this topic was still rolling. I think I originally posted about in in early May sometime

 

[houheffna]

Thank you for getting this thread back on track.....But, I respectfully disagree with a few of your points...I think that Pete Myer was better than Bogans..he could take it to the hole and shoot from anywhere, but he played his roll perfectly and was a very good defender...I also feel the 94 bench was deeper...We had scott william, tony kucoc, steve kerr, will perdue, bill wennington, luc longley, jo jo english, john paxson,corie blount....plus 4 of our bench players were very experianced with 3 championship rings of there own...Plus 94's starting line up trumps the 11 lineup in all positions except for Rose-Armstrong...But keep in mind that B.J Armstrong was one of the top shooter in the league in 94 and a better defender than Rose...Rose does win that matchup against armstrong,but I'm pretty sure Phil Jackson would put Pippen on Rose and move armstrong to the 2guard position..Maybe even start Kucoc at small forward..With moving pippen to point guard, armstrong to 2guard and starting kucoc at smallforawrd, that would make the 94 starting lineup trump the 2011 lineup 5 -0....Even though I stated over and over againt that the 94 team wins the series 4-1, they could actually sweep the 2011 Bulls with the lineup moves........Just my personal oppinion and I stand on it......

Only one adavantage for the 2011 team? If that is true, then why are people giving me so much grief about trading Noah for Howard or even Noah for Carmelo back in the day...I don't think so...Noah trumps Cartwright...not close.

I think Kukoc hits bigger shots than anyone on the 2011 team, and B.J. is not a better defender than Rose...I don't think Phil would put Pippen on Rose for a whole playoff series...that would kill Pippen's abilities to score.

Most important, and what I didn't think about. Thibs vs Phil...have to go with Phil...so who wins? I don't know...there was nobody like Rose back then...nobody. And the thing with comparing Pippen to Lebron is that he was long but he didn't have as wide a body as Lebron has. Tough call. I am taking 2011's bench too. Give me Watson/Brewer over Myers, let alone the bench players. And Taj/Asik over Williams and Blount. Kukoc is the best bench player overall though...tough call, I don't know about a sweep...

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I disagree. Scottie Pippen could have very easily been the MVP in the 93-94 season. A very strong case can be made for him

Olajuwon deserved it. Pippen was by no means robbed. But he could have won. I think he finished 3rd in the voting. I think Ewing was 2nd

Best player in the league is a different argument. That he was not. But we all know the MVP doesn't go to just the best player.

lol if anyone thinks pippen was robbed of MVP in 94 they need their head checked(no offense)...pretty sure robinson was 2nd in voting not ewing....it went Olajuwon,Robinson,then Pippen i think

again pippen had a great year...no one is arguing against that..he was the best SF in the league that year(of course the SF crop wasnt extremely strong back then but he was the still best anyway)...

and yes i know the MVP doesnt always go to the best player.....it usually goes to a player that puts up good numbers and wins alot of games..MOST VALUABLE player...pippen was a very valuable player that year but i would argue that olajuwon and robinson were better that year as well as more "valuable"...

in fact, pippen was not in the top 5 in win shares or win shares per 48(which of course is not perfect because i do think pippen was a top 5 player in the league that year..not to mention win shares can be distorted because of high offensive production such as stockton's assists and malone and reggie's scoring prowess)

 

[nwfisch]

You know who got robbed of MVP? Carlos Boozer

 

[clonetrooper264]

Only one adavantage for the 2011 team? If that is true, then why are people giving me so much grief about trading Noah for Howard or even Noah for Carmelo back in the day...I don't think so...Noah trumps Cartwright...not close.

I think Kukoc hits bigger shots than anyone on the 2011 team, and B.J. is not a better defender than Rose...I don't think Phil would put Pippen on Rose for a whole playoff series...that would kill Pippen's abilities to score.

Most important, and what I didn't think about. Thibs vs Phil...have to go with Phil...so who wins? I don't know...there was nobody like Rose back then...nobody. And the thing with comparing Pippen to Lebron is that he was long but he didn't have as wide a body as Lebron has. Tough call. I am taking 2011's bench too. Give me Watson/Brewer over Myers, let alone the bench players. And Taj/Asik over Williams and Blount. Kukoc is the best bench player overall though...tough call, I don't know about a sweep...

Cartwright was still starting in 94? Jeez...

I think they had Cartwright, Longley, and Wennington, but I'd take Noah over all of them.

Rose easily beats Armstrong. Doesn't matter how good of a defender Armstrong was, Rose would be too big, too strong, too fast, and too good for BJ. Though I would think that Pippen would guard Rose at the end of games which would then force someone else on the 2011 squad to step up. Considering how we didn't have that guy consistently during the year, I think that's what would make the difference in a close game. 1994 Bulls have Kukoc, Armstrong, and I think either Paxson or Kerr who could all make clutch shots.

 

[clonetrooper264]

You know who got robbed of MVP? Carlos Boozer

 

[houheffna]

I disagree with Rami and Hou that Charles Barkley was more valuable in 1994.

The Suns were supposed to be the clear-cut favorite to win the title in 93-94.

The Suns were coming off the NBA Finals where they were a Pax 3-pointer away from pushing the Bulls to 7 games. MJ was retired so the Suns were the favorite bringing back pretty much the same team.

They ended up finishing 3rd in the West.

Pippen helped the Bulls finish 3rd in the East, desptie the fact that the greatest player of all-time retired. The Bulls were in position to take the No. 1 seed, but they pissed it away. That's where Pippen blew it.

But everyone saying Pippen didn't deserve it in 94 or had no chance of winning is b.s.

Pippen could have very easily won the 1994 MVP based on what he did.

Remember, this is regular season MVP. So 1.8 seconds doesn't factor in here - in case Fred is reading this thread.

i didn't think Barkley was more valuable...If I said that, that is definitely not what I meant.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I'm 35 years old fool...Lett the hate flow through you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant..take your weapon, strike me down with all your anger and your journey toward the dark side will be complete..

You're 35 years old and you write like that?

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Only one adavantage for the 2011 team? If that is true, then why are people giving me so much grief about trading Noah for Howard or even Noah for Carmelo back in the day...I don't think so...Noah trumps Cartwright...not close.

I think Kukoc hits bigger shots than anyone on the 2011 team, and B.J. is not a better defender than Rose...I don't think Phil would put Pippen on Rose for a whole playoff series...that would kill Pippen's abilities to score.

Most important, and what I didn't think about. Thibs vs Phil...have to go with Phil...so who wins? I don't know...there was nobody like Rose back then...nobody. And the thing with comparing Pippen to Lebron is that he was long but he didn't have as wide a body as Lebron has. Tough call. I am taking 2011's bench too. Give me Watson/Brewer over Myers, let alone the bench players. And Taj/Asik over Williams and Blount. Kukoc is the best bench player overall though...tough call, I don't know about a sweep...

I know that Young Noah would be better than a 36 year old Cartwright, but Cartwright tough defensive physical play, wisdom and elbows that were made to break faces would discourage and take Noah out of his game.....Plus don't forget that We had 5 players who could play centers like Longley, Cartwright, Wennington, Williams, and Perdue...5 centers against one?????......YUP, 94 Centers against 2011 centers...TRUMP just like I said....I would start Longley anyway...Longley played very well for the Bulls in his first rodeo with the Bulls..He had good moves to the hole and he was a very big guy...If a fight broke out between Longley and Noah, Noah would get hurt and Longley wasn't the type to back down on anyone..He didn't back down against Alonzo Mourning in the final game against The hornets at the end of the season and they got into a fight....And he didn't back down from Ewing either, they almost got in a fight on more than a few occasion in that unforgettable playoff series against vthe knicks where we were robbed...And Skelator Asik would get his arms or twig legs broken against either of the 94 Bulls centers so he would be a non factor.....So bottom line is Noah didn't do much against Miamis weak centers, so how could he do anything against the 94 bulls centers who were better than the 2011 Miami over the hill centers that Pat Riley picked up at Sanford and Sons????...Logic son......Logic.....94 Bulls starters trump 2011 bulls starter 5-0 like I said....

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I see three people in this thread who I think are the same person. Or am I late to that party?