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This thread is comedy gold. Two trolls having a troll war.
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Wow, and the dumbest ass of them all just couldn't help but interject himself into the conversation. Must of felt left out....
Yeah we know, you worked at the stadium, you saw every game...unfortunately you don't know shit about basketball and need somebody to explain it to you. And yeah, people who disagrees with Dick2Keva are not real Bulls fan...whatever bruh...
Yeah we know, you worked at the stadium, you saw every game...unfortunately you don't know shit about basketball and need somebody to explain it to you. And yeah, people who disagrees with Dick2Keva are not real Bulls fan...whatever bruh...
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I wasn't around you idiot. I don't live on this forum, unlike you do. I have a life and I don't need to follow 900 sports journalists on twitter and be on every teams' forums.
I just saw this thread and I offered my opinion. Since I have insight on the 94 team, I felt the need to give my perspective. You don't like it? Tough tits. I don't give a shit.
I'm just enjoying seeing someone else calling you on your bullshit, even if it is another troll like yourself.
I just saw this thread and I offered my opinion. Since I have insight on the 94 team, I felt the need to give my perspective. You don't like it? Tough tits. I don't give a shit.
I'm just enjoying seeing someone else calling you on your bullshit, even if it is another troll like yourself.
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The only insight you have is your ass because that's where your head is at. You can give your perspective...I don't give a shit either. Just giving my perspective on you...you are clueless and have been from your first post on this forum...and people who disagree with you are trolls, as if you even know what a troll is...
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Here are all of the players that I would personally put before Scottie Pippen in the 1990's:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Karl Malone
4. Charles Barkley
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. David Robinson
7. Patrick Ewing
8. Gary Payton
9. John Stockton
10. Grant Hill
11. Clyde Drexler
Hill, Drexler, and Pippen were all very close. So were Malone and Barkley. And Ewing, Robinson, Payton, and Stockton. All of those groups can pretty much all go in any order.
1. Michael Jordan
2. Hakeem Olajuwon
3. Karl Malone
4. Charles Barkley
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. David Robinson
7. Patrick Ewing
8. Gary Payton
9. John Stockton
10. Grant Hill
11. Clyde Drexler
Hill, Drexler, and Pippen were all very close. So were Malone and Barkley. And Ewing, Robinson, Payton, and Stockton. All of those groups can pretty much all go in any order.
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Not far behind are Alonzo Mourning, Shawn Kemp, Jason Kidd, Anfernee Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, and Kevin Johnson.
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Oh yeah, and Chris Webber.
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No Reggie?
Scottie Pippen > Reggie Miller easily but he's in that last group along with 'Zo and C-Webb.
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damn alot of great big men back then....the game has definitely changed to where big men are more utilized for rebounding,defense,and screens rather than running the offense through the post
that partly has to do with the fact that you just dont see those big bruisers who get 25 and 12 and a couple of blocks every night in the nba except for maybe howard...its not just the offensive change through wing and PG dominating the ball and scoring...but how big men have evolved and the crop of big men today and in the last ten years
that partly has to do with the fact that you just dont see those big bruisers who get 25 and 12 and a couple of blocks every night in the nba except for maybe howard...its not just the offensive change through wing and PG dominating the ball and scoring...but how big men have evolved and the crop of big men today and in the last ten years
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Absolutely...but in my opinion, it has a lot to do with these players not being taught the fundamentals. That goes back to amateur athletics. Too much
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Id move pippen up to 5th. He did just as much in his limited time as the leader of the bulls. And im not gonna dismiss his role on 6 championship teams.
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Shaq in the 90's wipes the floor with Scottie Pippen.
GP is a flat out better player.
David Robinson was a better offensive player by far. And the obvious better rebounder. And was the more valuable defensive player because of his size and the position he played.
Same with Patrick Ewing.
John Stockton is a little more interesting to talk about but the guy's all-around ability and skills were superior to Pippen's in my opinion.
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He was the leader of his team,won 5 championships,and is probably the greatest passer of all time..try again
tim duncan has 9 seasons over 20 PPG and two MVPs 4 titles and one season over 25 PPG...pippen has only 4 seasons over 20 PPG and two of them came when he was basically the leader of the team..his highest production is 22 PPG
different era..greatest defender of all time....11+titles...a bunch of mvps...lol smh
yes pippen is better
but what does this prove?i get your point that just because you're a great scorer doesnt mean you are great...but in this era to be a great..you have to win titles..win MVPs and be a consistently great scorer...
pippen was never the guy to carry a team offensively and even in the spotlight he never dominated offensively...
he is the prototype second option....
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of course i and everyone on this thread have failed to mention that being great is very subjective and can have variable connotations...but my connotations is great=top 10 bird/magic/kareem that kind association
and im not comparing pippen to durant or melo rather im saying he would have been top 10 all time if he had that kind of prolific offense...
and yes i know scoring isnt the only thing in basketball....but being a great imo is excelling on both sides of the ball and winning...pippen was fantastic on the defensive...on the offensive end he was good but he wasnt great...and thats why he isnt a top 10..and i dont think he would have been if he had been a leader of his own team but that is,of course, up for discussion and speculation
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Actually, id move shaq up to 3. My top 5 would be
Jordan
Olajuwan
Shaq
Malone
Robinson
Pippen
Ewing. He just didn't show up in enough big games
Barkley. His laziness on defense and his tendency to not stay in shape hurts him in my
opinion.
Stockton
Rodman. And I know this raises a few eyebrows, but 2 dpoys multiple rebounding titles, multiple all defense teams and 4 championships puts him in my top 10. He'd be higher if not for so many off the court issues that effected his on the court play.
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I disagree on Ewing and Barkley comparable to Pippen. Both were better players than Pippen. But, you said Ewing didn't show up in enough big games...the same can't be said for Pippen?
Furthermore, I don't think it hurts Pippen's legacy nor is it an insult that he is being compared to a list of hall of fame players.
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Pippen excelled in scoring. He avg 20 ppg in his prime. But that wasn't his mindset. There's nothing about his game that you could say that if he wanted to, he could've scored 26-27 ppg if he wanted to. He routinely shot around 50%. Or i should say just under 50%. You dont think that if he decided to be more aggresive, he couldve achieved mid to high 20 but mybe on 45-47%. Would that dignify pippen career in your eyes? Cuz it seems like thats what your saying. But at what cost? WINNING! I don't care that he didn't score like jordan. Or wasn't as flashy as magic. I go by how well the team he lead did. If he could somehow mange to not score a point and still be the leader on the team and they win...... that's all that matters to me. All, im saying is he got basically the same results out of his 22 ppg under worse circumstances than guys that have avg 26 or higher underin alot of cases, better circumstances.
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This thread was a complete train wreck from the beginning.
Pippen did NOT excel in scoring. His calling card was defense and ball handling.
Pippen did NOT excel in scoring. His calling card was defense and ball handling.
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