AussieBear
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19-8-5-20-22-23
once again... you should have been more specific about draw date...
19-8-5-20-22-23
once again... you should have been more specific about draw date...
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29 first round QBs have played in the Super Bowl.
There has only been 12 Super Bowls were a 1st rd QB did not appear.
1966 Len Dawson
1967 none
1968 Joe Namath
1969 Len Dawson
1970 Earl Morrell
1971 Bob Griese
1972 Bob Griese & Billy Kilmer
1973 Bob Griese
1974 Terry Bradshaw
1975 Terry Bradshaw
1976 none
1977 Craig Morton
1978 Terry Bradshaw
1979 Terry Bradshaw
1980 Jim Plunkett
1981 none
1982 none
1983 Jim Plunkett
1984 Dan Marino
1985 Jim McMahon & Tony Eason
1986 Phil Simms & John Elway
1987 Doug Williams & John Elway
1988 none
1989 John Elway
1990 Jim Kelly
1991 Jim Kelly
1992 Troy Aikman & Jim Kelly
1993 Troy Aikman & Jim Kelly
1994 Steve Young
1995 Troy Aikman
1996 Drew Bledsoe
1997 John Elway
1998 John Elway
1999 Steve McNair
2000 Trent Dilfer & Kerry Collins
2001 none
2002 none
2003 none
2004 Donovan McNabb
2005 Ben Roethlisberger
2006 Peyton Manning & Rex Grossman
2007 Eli Manning
2008 Ben Roethlisberger
2009 Peyton Manning
2010 Aaron Rodgers & Ben Roethlisberger
2011 Eli Manning
2012 Joe Flacco
2013 Peyton Manning
2014 None
2015 Peyton Manning & Cam Newton
2016 Matt Ryan
AussieBear
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played in?? wtf is that.. im talking champions...
you dont want a loser.. you play to win the game... you play to win the game...
does this change the fact that there has only been 7 qbs drafted in the first rd in the last 30 years that have won a sb..
skew the data all you want to say what you want... but it doesnt change the fact...
that there has only been 7 champion qbs taken in the first rd in the last 30 years..
AussieBear
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if you peeps just want to argue just to argue..... a list like this would be better..
There has only been 31 QBs in the NFL that have become a SB champion
16 are first rd
14 are non first rd
1 was from usfl/cfl supplemental draft
1 Bart Starr (17th)
2 Joe Namath (1st)
3 Len Dawson (1st)
4 John Unitas (9th)
5 Roger Staubach (10th)
6 Bob Griese (1st)
7 Terry Bradshaw (1st)
8 Ken Stabler (2nd)
9 Jim Plunkett (1st)
10 Joe Montana (3rd)
11 Joe Theismann (4th)
12 Jim McMahon (1st)
13 Phil Simms (1st)
14 Doug Williams (1st)
15 Jeff Hostetler (3rd)
16 Mark Rypien (6th)
17 Troy Aikman (1st)
18 Brett Favre (2nd)
19 John Elway (1st)
20 Kurt Warner (undrafted)
21 Trent Dilfer (1st)
22 Tom Brady (6th)
23 Brad Johnson (9th)
24 Ben Roethlisberger (1st)
25 Peyton Manning (1st)
26 Eli Manning (1st)
27 Drew Brees (2nd)
28 Aaron Rogers (1st)
29 Joe Flacco (1st)
30 Russell Wilson (3rd)
31 Steve Young (supplemental draft)
still though...
there has only been 7 champion qbs taken in the first rd in the last 30 years..
There has only been 31 QBs in the NFL that have become a SB champion
16 are first rd
14 are non first rd
1 was from usfl/cfl supplemental draft
1 Bart Starr (17th)
2 Joe Namath (1st)
3 Len Dawson (1st)
4 John Unitas (9th)
5 Roger Staubach (10th)
6 Bob Griese (1st)
7 Terry Bradshaw (1st)
8 Ken Stabler (2nd)
9 Jim Plunkett (1st)
10 Joe Montana (3rd)
11 Joe Theismann (4th)
12 Jim McMahon (1st)
13 Phil Simms (1st)
14 Doug Williams (1st)
15 Jeff Hostetler (3rd)
16 Mark Rypien (6th)
17 Troy Aikman (1st)
18 Brett Favre (2nd)
19 John Elway (1st)
20 Kurt Warner (undrafted)
21 Trent Dilfer (1st)
22 Tom Brady (6th)
23 Brad Johnson (9th)
24 Ben Roethlisberger (1st)
25 Peyton Manning (1st)
26 Eli Manning (1st)
27 Drew Brees (2nd)
28 Aaron Rogers (1st)
29 Joe Flacco (1st)
30 Russell Wilson (3rd)
31 Steve Young (supplemental draft)
still though...
there has only been 7 champion qbs taken in the first rd in the last 30 years..
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FIFY
Earl Morrell (1st rd pick) was the winning QB of Super Bowl V
Steve Young was the 1st pick in the first and only supplemental draft for USFL players. That does not deny the fact he was a 1st rd pick in an NFL draft
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maybe morrell was or wasnt... unitas had the only td pass though... debatable..
steve young as you said was the 1st pick in the first and only supplemental draft for USFL players. thanks.. a supplemental draft as stated...
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so as i stated in the title
1st RD QB does not = SB Ring ------- TRUTH
and as i was saying in the thread
there has only been 7 champion qbs taken in the first rd in the last 30 years -- TRUTH
so basically during the lifetime of most ccs members.. theyve only seen 7 qbs drafted in the first that actually became a champion.. while at the same time 8 non first rd qbs become one as well... -- TRUTH
sure, historically 1sts are favoured over non firsts.. by a tad... but over the last 30 years it hasnt been so... -- TRUTH
you ppl like trends...
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I don't think its debatable when Morrell played more minutes and when he came in the Colts were losing.
"so basically during the lifetime of most ccs members.. only 7 qbs drafted in the first became a champion.. while at the same time 8 non first rd qbs become one as well... -- TRUTH"
False - In the last 30 Super Bowls there has only been 5 non 1st rd QBS to win. (drafted in the same time period)
"sure, historically 1sts are favoured over non firsts.. by a tad... but over the last 30 years it hasnt been so... -- TRUTH"
False - see above
Again I see you observation but your looking into a vacuum.
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nah man...
8 non 1st rders
Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, and Brad Johnson
vs
7 first rounders
flacco, p. manning, e manning, rodgers, big ben, dilfer and aikman
plus i didnt say in the last 30 superbowls..
i said drafted in the last 30ish years.. theres a difference... nice try though...
youre in a vacuum man.. im talking drafted qbs that became champions.. idk what ur talking about
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OP is correct but the cause and effect inference is not. Most important position in sports is worth trying to find the best person to play it... which means an earlier pick. Unfortunately it's also the most difficult position to play or project but that doesn't mean you stop trying. Of that list only 7 were taken beyond 3 and Young was taken with the 1st pick in the supplemental draft. If your guy is there in 1, you take him. If he isn't, you pass. Pretty simple.
Concept of team game is completely lost here as well. A few of those QBs had good seasons but were along for the ride. There is also a Brady effect. He's an exception that tips scales.
Concept of team game is completely lost here as well. A few of those QBs had good seasons but were along for the ride. There is also a Brady effect. He's an exception that tips scales.
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why is this happening?
why is this a topic of discussion?
why is this a topic of discussion?
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Now it's the last "30ish" years? Nice try Lol You consistently stated 30 years.
How is the the last 30 Super Bowls any different then the last 30 years of the draft?
And it's (edit) 6 not 8 (Jeff Hostetler 1984 Mark Rypien 1986 are outside the last 30 drafts or SB) if you are going to include players drafted in that same time period as you are with the winners. You can't have it one ways. If so then 10 of the last 30 SB (drafts) are first rd picks not 7.
You are so far into the vacuum you're forgetting your own argument.
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A true comparison would be to compare, round 1 vs round n. Not round 1 vs the field, of course with the field there are more QBs. However if you compare each round individually against rnd 1. You will see that round 1 is by far the best round to find a SB winning QB.
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I also see a couple FA / traded qbs on that list...Steve young, brad Johnson, eli manning, breese...
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AussieBear
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it started with roughly 30 years if you go back n reads..
also went back further than 30 mentioning elway and jimmy mac in other replies...
point is still the same... only 7 qbs drafted in the 1st rd have become champions in the last 30 years.. if you include 84, 85, 86 like hoss and ryp... still 7.. you have to go back to 83 to hit elway...
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someone kind of gets it... you mention TEAM... it is a team game... qb is just a part of the whole... sb winning qbs can be had in the first or not... its not the end all be all.. build a team..
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you can get a sb champion via trade/fa... whether they are a 1st rder or not... that works too.. sure...you dont have to draft one..
lots of ways to aquire a sb champion QB... though lots of ppl swear you have to draft a qb high in the first... its juss not true
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Since 1985 the Bears have played in 4 NFC Championship games and 2 Super Bowls. All games were started by a first round qb.
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This. LOL how he conveniently skipped your post. Round one versus non round one is a fatal flaw.
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There is no QB in this draft that is close to the talent of these QB's
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I completely agree.. this draft is weak at QB.. just the Bears luck.. we finally in a position to grab a QB early.. and they all have BUST written all over them..
thats why im on the JG bandwagon